PJ Duke commits to PSU

[herkcy]

Seriously? Talk about using the side of your mouth to push an agenda. 1 kid? You know they plan on Kueter wrestling this season, right? Arnold is a MONSTER and Block will almost certainly AA before he is done. Yeah, it SUCKS that Jesuroga decided to stop wrestling and Chittum's dad sucks EVEN MORE. But, to negate just how good of a recruiting class that was is asinine.

They controlled everything they could control at the time and UNDENIABLY did the best recruiting job under Brands and it wasn't even close. Hindsight is often 20/20, but it does NOT erase how well they recruited that year. Also, you can't ignore the fact that they have now landed at least 1 top 13(Cass is the only 1 outside the top 10) p4p wrestler since they upped their game in 2015 driving overnight to Kemerer's home, except for 2019 when they didn't have much room with nearly all the starters being underclassmen on the best team they had since 2010.

2015-Kemerer
2016-Marinelli
2017-Lee, Warner, Lugo
2018-Cass, DeSanto
2019- Assad was their highest recruit, ranked in the 20's.
2020-Kennedy, Eierman
2021-Ayala
2022-Chittum, Woods, Teske
2023- Jesuroga, Kueter, Arnold, Franek, Caliendo

If you look at it by itself. That is super strong. Again, many are comparing it to PSU and what they are doing is UNPRECEDENTED. Again, I agree with everyone that says they want more, need more and aspire for Iowa to match PSU. But, PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD, stop acting like they are "hot garbage" in areas they are actually doing very well if you compare them to everyone else but PSU...

I can't disagree with you here other than it will simply take more. As unfortunate and unfair as that is it is the simple truth. The facility is a start. Adapting to the portal is a start. Openess to the NIL process/program is a start. Somethings I personally think could aid in "catching up" are some new blood with the staff. A recruiting coordinator. Adapting the attitude that the HWC roster has to be built from within. The obvious one is recruiting. As good as it has been it simply isn't good enough. The problem there is what seems to me the unwillingness to admit it does need to improve and as a result of that making no changes since the pre-Lee era to adapt/improve it. I fully admit the only possible answer I have to help recruiting other than what I've already mentioned is quit recruiting to the money available. For example last recruiting season the football recruiting weekend was less than stellar talent wise and my guess is that is because we had "enough" already committed. Well you mentioned how that ended up working out. Look at PSU they are going to have an over abundance of top tier talent in the middle weights already, but they still recruited Duke. Never, ever stop! As much as I absolutely love the Brands and think Tom is a top 3 coach in the nation, Terry is the best associate head coach out there and M* is the best assistant recruiting coach out there I think part of the staff's hindrance is it's stubbornness. They do adapt, but I think there has been enough points proven in this thread that it hasn't been fast enough and I think stubbornness is exactly why. Start shooting holes, die hards. 😉

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

I wont argue you one bit on that man, but be careful you’ll get the handful of guys that will attack you saying “well we just got the number one recruiting class”. The class that has probably one kid in it that will ever score a point at nationals.

I think we'll have a few who score points at NCAAs and I think Kueter will be a beast if the FB program doesn't snag him full time via NIL money. but I certainly get your point and agree that what looked to be an incredibly amazing recruiting year ended up being impressive, but not out of this world. And we've got to do better about recruiting outside of Iowa, while ensuring we don't lose our homegrown heroes to other schools.

 

[tiltman]

Seriously? Talk about using the side of your mouth to push an agenda. 1 kid? You know they plan on Kueter wrestling this season, right? Arnold is a MONSTER and Block will almost certainly AA before he is done. Yeah, it SUCKS that Jesuroga decided to stop wrestling and Chittum's dad sucks EVEN MORE. But, to negate just how good of a recruiting class that was is asinine.

They controlled everything they could control at the time and UNDENIABLY did the best recruiting job under Brands and it wasn't even close. Hindsight is often 20/20, but it does NOT erase how well they recruited that year. Also, you can't ignore the fact that they have now landed at least 1 top 13(Cass is the only 1 outside the top 10) p4p wrestler since they upped their game in 2015 driving overnight to Kemerer's home, except for 2019 when they didn't have much room with nearly all the starters being underclassmen on the best team they had since 2010.

2015-Kemerer
2016-Marinelli
2017-Lee, Warner, Lugo
2018-Cass, DeSanto
2019- Assad was their highest recruit, ranked in the 20's.
2020-Kennedy, Eierman
2021-Ayala
2022-Chittum, Woods, Teske
2023- Jesuroga, Kueter, Arnold, Franek, Caliendo

If you look at it by itself. That is super strong. Again, many are comparing it to PSU and what they are doing is UNPRECEDENTED. Again, I agree with everyone that says they want more, need more and aspire for Iowa to match PSU. But, PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD, stop acting like they are "hot garbage" in areas they are actually doing very well if you compare them to everyone else but PSU...

So out of this number one recruiting class I mentioned and said I think we’ll only get one point scorer you mentioned Keuter, Arnold, and Block. IMO Arnold is the only one we’ll see score points at any nationals. I believe it Keuter was full time wrestling he 100% would be a 3-4 AA but I just don’t see it. Even if he does wrestle all 4 years he more than likely won’t start wrestling practice till January and you don’t just roll into the big ten season with no practice and start beating top 10 type kids. I hope Im wrong about Block but I don’t see it happening. If you disagree with my opinion cool, but that’s just how I see it.

 

[Rotisserie Scrotz]

Somethings I personally think could aid in "catching up" are some new blood with the staff. A recruiting coordinator. Adapting the attitude that the HWC roster has to be built from within.

Maybe I’m not catching your meaning, but if we build the HWC roster any more “from within”, I feel like it’s gonna start losing chromosomes!

 

[el dub]

Maybe I’m not catching your meaning, but if we build the HWC roster any more “from within”, I feel like it’s gonna start losing chromosomes!

 

[herkcy]

Maybe I’m not catching your meaning, but if we build the HWC roster any more “from within”, I feel like it’s gonna start losing chromosomes!

The mentality of the staff is they prefer that the HWC roster be built from ex-Iowa wrestlers only due to culture vs. what the NLWC has done with Snyder, Dake, Gilman, etc. They've shown they have the cash to build the collegiate roster, so my thought would be do the same with the HWC roster.

 

[Rotisserie Scrotz]

The mentality of the staff is they prefer that the HWC roster be built from ex-Iowa wrestlers only due to culture vs. what the NLWC has done with Snyder, Dake, Gilman, etc. They've shown they have the cash to build the collegiate roster, so my thought would be do the same with the HWC roster.

Ok, I think we’re on the same page. Gotta diversify.

 

[MSU158]

I think we'll have a few who score points at NCAAs and I think Kueter will be a beast if the FB program doesn't snag him full time via NIL money. but I certainly get your point and agree that what looked to be an incredibly amazing recruiting year ended up being impressive, but not out of this world. And we've got to do better about recruiting outside of Iowa, while ensuring we don't lose our homegrown heroes to other schools.

So out of this number one recruiting class I mentioned and said I think we’ll only get one point scorer you mentioned Keuter, Arnold, and Block. IMO Arnold is the only one we’ll see score points at any nationals. I believe it Keuter was full time wrestling he 100% would be a 3-4 AA but I just don’t see it. Even if he does wrestle all 4 years he more than likely won’t start wrestling practice till January and you don’t just roll into the big ten season with no practice and start beating top 10 type kids. I hope Im wrong about Block but I don’t see it happening. If you disagree with my opinion cool, but that’s just how I see it.

Guys, you cant undersell what they recruited in 2023, especially once you add in they were able to go get Franek and Caliendo to stop gap the betting scandal. Any which way you slice it, Kueter, Arnold, Block, Franek and Caliendo is a MONSTER haul, especially when it looks like we may need at least 4 of them to wrestle right away...

 

[T8KUDWN]

I feel we need to build a relationship with AWA. I think the Askren brothers are putting out some of the best wrestlers in the country and Wisconsin is right next door. I know the relationship does not exist now, but it needs to happen. Love to see JDen join the HWC. That would be a great start to new faces in the HWC.

 

[js8793]

The mentality of the staff is they prefer that the HWC roster be built from ex-Iowa wrestlers only due to culture vs. what the NLWC has done with Snyder, Dake, Gilman, etc. They've shown they have the cash to build the collegiate roster, so my thought would be do the same with the HWC roster.

Fireable offense imo

 

[HawkFan1986]

The mentality of the staff is they prefer that the HWC roster be built from ex-Iowa wrestlers only due to culture vs. what the NLWC has done with Snyder, Dake, Gilman, etc. They've shown they have the cash to build the collegiate roster, so my thought would be do the same with the HWC roster.

I’m not sure that is the mentality of the staff. I know for a fact that Iowa has pursued several big names that didn’t wrestle for Iowa. It hasn’t worked out for one reason or another up tot his point. I think if they see someone that’s a good fit they pursue them. Point. Blank. Period.

 

[herkcy]

I’m not sure that is the mentality of the staff. I know for a fact that Iowa has pursued several big names that didn’t wrestle for Iowa. It hasn’t worked out for one reason or another up tot his point. I think if they see someone that’s a good fit they pursue them. Point. Blank. Period.

Not saying I couldn't be wrong, but can you elaborate with names? BTW, it was a direct quote from the director of the HWC that they prefer ex-Hawks due to culture. Almost to the point of avoidance. With that said you've evidently heard different which I'd love. Please fill us in.

 

[js8793]

Guys, you cant undersell what they recruited in 2023, especially once you add in they were able to go get Franek and Caliendo to stop gap the betting scandal. Any which way you slice it, Kueter, Arnold, Block, Franek and Caliendo is a MONSTER haul, especially when it looks like we may need at least 4 of them to wrestle right away...

Add in Ferrari the next year and it's not bad and clearly elite within the context of the overall college landscape. Good job. That being said, I think we'd agree that it doesn't compare to what PSU is doing.

Where we depart is what needs to happen now. IMO, they have to get ind. titles out of this next group. Even if you write off catching PSU, I think it's fair to expect the staff to be at least league-average when it comes to turning elite ind. seasons into ind. titles in March and as I laid out on Monday, they are way below average in that regard. Good at putting guys on the stand, bad at putting them on the top of it.

 

[MSU158]

Add in Ferrari the next year and it's not bad and clearly elite within the context of the overall college landscape. Good job. That being said, I think we'd agree that it doesn't compare to what PSU is doing.

Where we depart is what needs to happen now. IMO, they have to get ind. titles out of this next group. Even if you write off catching PSU, I think it's fair to expect the staff to be at least league-average when it comes to turning elite ind. seasons into ind. titles in March and as I laid out on Monday, they are way below average in that regard. Good at putting guys on the stand, bad at putting them on the top of it.

I wouldn't argue against a single thing you said. They do need to find ways to get more guys to finish at the very top. I think a lot of that comes from the type of guy they have recruited. As good as guys like Marinelli, DeSanto, Warner, Cassioppi, Eierman and even Kemerer were, they just weren't/aren't nearly as athletic or diversified in their attacks as many of their PSU counterparts.

Simply put, the biggest issue, to me, is Iowa seems to land the very best "grinders" that rely heavily on inside offense. Meanwhile, PSU is landing the very best offensive minded guys, for the most part. As such, the Iowa guys that are falling just a tad short are "easier" to scout against and "take away" their best positions.

For Iowa to make the next step, they need to either start training past relying so heavily on inside ties and short offense and finding ways to add to that, or getting guys FROM THE VERY BEGINNING that can and do wrestle from space...

 

[Hawkgma]

I feel we need to build a relationship with AWA. I think the Askren brothers are putting out some of the best wrestlers in the country and Wisconsin is right next door. I know the relationship does not exist now, but it needs to happen. Love to see JDen join the HWC. That would be a great start to new faces in the HWC.

I don't think Ben and T&T see eye to eye on anything.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I don't think Ben and T&T see eye to eye on anything.

A couple years ago I would agree with you 100% on that but I do know it's gotten better.
Not great but, better and needs to keep moving in the right direction.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Guys, you cant undersell what they recruited in 2023, especially once you add in they were able to go get Franek and Caliendo to stop gap the betting scandal. Any which way you slice it, Kueter, Arnold, Block, Franek and Caliendo is a MONSTER haul, especially when it looks like we may need at least 4 of them to wrestle right away...

Absolutely agree, MSU. TNT did a good job pulling in Franek and Caliendo from NDSU. Now, can we make them better, stronger, faster and improve their NCAA placings? I'm hoping so!!

 

[YoungGun07]

Recruiting is a big piece of the puzzle, but TnT haven't been able to turn blue chip recruits into national champs with any regularity either.

When Cael gets guys like Kemerer, Marinelli, Eierman, Warner etc., they win individual titles more often than not.

 

[AndEEss]

As much as I absolutely love the Brands and think Tom is a top 3 coach in the nation, Terry is the best associate head coach out there and M* is the best assistant recruiting coach out there I think part of the staff's hindrance is it's stubbornness. They do adapt, but I think there has been enough points proven in this thread that it hasn't been fast enough and I think stubbornness is exactly why. Start shooting holes, die hards. 😉

For starters, Casey Cunningham exists.

 

[pickr374]

So, let’s give them a reason to go elsewhere. The new facility will be nice, but I’d rather see more effort put into targeting and landing top recruits and making adjustments to game plans rather than apparently just working harder on what we’re already good at.

Hey El not coming at you at all with my comment...its more for the general forum, because I was sitting here reading the comments from everybody and literally had the thought of "what are the Hawks really good at? Maybe its selective memory on my part (which is highly probable)...but other than an outlier like Lee or Woods, maybe Kennedy....I don't really recall the Hawks being very good (they are good, just not very good) as whole at anything, which is kinda par for the course with the staff for the last few years.

maybe context helps? I was thinking more along the lines of wrestler development, ie. scoring points, bonus, attacking, counterattacks, defense, winning big matches in big tournaments, winning tight matches...etc. I do realize it's an over generalization on my part and there are wrestlers on the team that can and do this..but it's not consistently done as a team.

 

[js8793]

I wouldn't argue against a single thing you said. They do need to find ways to get more guys to finish at the very top. I think a lot of that comes from the type of guy they have recruited. As good as guys like Marinelli, DeSanto, Warner, Cassioppi, Eierman and even Kemerer were, they just weren't/aren't nearly as athletic or diversified in their attacks as many of their PSU counterparts.

Simply put, the biggest issue, to me, is Iowa seems to land the very best "grinders" that rely heavily on inside offense. Meanwhile, PSU is landing the very best offensive minded guys, for the most part. As such, the Iowa guys that are falling just a tad short are "easier" to scout against and "take away" their best positions.

For Iowa to make the next step, they need to either start training past relying so heavily on inside ties and short offense and finding ways to add to that, or getting guys FROM THE VERY BEGINNING that can and do wrestle from space...

100% agree that it seems like TNT have very stubbornly stuck to an old school type of wrestler. It could be as simple as that's how they wrestled and that's what they feel most comfortable coaching.

But overall, this team hasn't been dynamic enough in all 3 positions to expect to win big matches consistently. Too robotic. In the past, I've likened them to Kirk Cousins or Jared Goff. When everything is on schedule, it looks pretty. If you take that away, they can't create on their own and it looks ugly. It creates a reinforcing cycle where attack rates slowly decrease over the course of the career because they're afraid to lose scrambles.

Warner is the prime example of this. He got burned so often early in his career off his attack, that he almost stopped attacking altogether. Coaches need to give their athletes better answers in those positions so they have confidence to attack even when everything isn't perfect.

Murin is another good example. He was very selective his last few years because he couldn't figure out the waterfall position. Early in this career, he'd frequently get to low attacks and get out-scrambled from there. Later he adjusted and had a lot of success by finishing on his feet. But imagine how much more he could have scored if he could finish without getting to a perfect angle! The whole team struggles there and that tells me it wasn't on Murin. It was coaching.

The coaches preach a high-scoring style, but they aren't giving their wrestlers the necessary tools to wrestle that way imo.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Recruiting is a big piece of the puzzle, but TnT haven't been able to turn blue chip recruits into national champs with any regularity either.

When Cael gets guys like Kemerer, Marinelli, Eierman, Warner etc., they win individual titles more often than not.

Sadly that’s seemingly the reality. I think with a more stacked and diverse supporting staff alone they could make a difference.

 

[el dub]

Hey El not coming at you at all with my comment...its more for the general forum, because I was sitting here reading the comments from everybody and literally had the thought of "what are the Hawks really good at? Maybe its selective memory on my part (which is highly probable)...but other than an outlier like Lee or Woods, maybe Kennedy....I don't really recall the Hawks being very good (they are good, just not very good) as whole at anything, which is kinda par for the course with the staff for the last few years.

maybe context helps? I was thinking more along the lines of wrestler development, ie. scoring points, bonus, attacking, counterattacks, defense, winning big matches in big tournaments, winning tight matches...etc. I do realize it's an over generalization on my part and there are wrestlers on the team that can and do this..but it's not consistently done as a team.

We’re speaking the same language. I think the top Hawk recruits come in with strong but maybe limited skill sets. We then seem to hone those skills without developing diverse sets of go to moves. Top opponents seem to adjust their game plans for subsequent matches after wrestling our guys once. We tend to work harder on what we’re good at already. And we lose a lot of those second matches, imo. But a person doesn’t get to the top ten in a class without done serious skills, imo.

 

[Grip220]

All very good points in the last several posts.
I agree with trying to mend fences with Askren and Co. It could only help.

Im not sure if moving forward with a more diversified offensive plan is exactly whats needed, but I do believe the program would benefit greatly by bringing in someone who is a master technician and has a maybe a more tactical approach to coaching. Who is out there that would come in and fit in, and who does he replace?????
The mental aspect of wrestling is something that advances every year and there is always room for improvement there also.

 

[el dub]

All very good points in the last several posts.
I agree with trying to mend fences with Askren and Co. It could only help.

Im not sure if moving forward with a more diversified offensive plan is exactly whats needed, but I do believe the program would benefit greatly by bringing in someone who is a master technician and has a maybe a more tactical approach to coaching. Who is out there that would come in and fit in, and who does he replace?????
The mental aspect of wrestling is something that advances every year and there is always room for improvement there also.

I agree with all you’re putting down. But we need to expand the definition of, “good fit,” imo.

 

[Grip220]

I agree with all you’re putting down. But we need to expand the definition of, “good fit,” imo.

Please elaborate

 

[el dub]

Please elaborate

It appears to me like we would rather sign mid term guys who fit a certain conservative profile than top tier guys who may be a bit more free spirited.

 

[IRONBIRD]

I wish I could post it, but I can't so can some please post the seen from DUMB and DUMBER where they are in the van driving the hitman crazy and he says "GUYS GUYS GUYS"

GUYS, you wanna hire someone?
Need that perfect fit guy?
Guy who could bring championships!!!

Tell you what you do. Go find some Billionaire who wants to throw money at the program! HIRE HIM!!!! Don't care if he ever wrestled a day in his life. Just bring the $$$$$$$$$$$$$!

THAT my friends is what it is about right now, and it is going to get much MUCH BIGGER!!!

Could other things improve? Sure, could we do things better? Certainly, and on and on...... We, nor anyone else, does not have the FIREPOWER, the GUNS, the HORSES, STUDS, whatever it is you want to call it, to compete!!!

I mean look at this fact. The great Faleure took the top FS guy from IOWA, Ohio st., and Cornell!!!!!(by the way, none have gotten better so far!!!) Very hard to make a case for a top recruit when the F*** st offer is plenty of $$$$$, start when you want we will grey shirt you etc.... and train with3/4 of our international team plus everyone else!!!

New facility!?!?!? Yea i would have been the first to say, if it was possible, the money should have been thrown into the HWC. Use it as a slush fund to buy every top guy you could! Build back the DYNASTY and that will bring in tons of money to build a new facility.

 

[smalls103]

All very good points in the last several posts.
I agree with trying to mend fences with Askren and Co. It could only help.

Im not sure if moving forward with a more diversified offensive plan is exactly whats needed, but I do believe the program would benefit greatly by bringing in someone who is a master technician and has a maybe a more tactical approach to coaching. Who is out there that would come in and fit in, and who does he replace?????
The mental aspect of wrestling is something that advances every year and there is always room for improvement there also.

this is among the dumbest posts i've ever read.

wtf does it even mean? lmfao.

this is like the Henry Winkler trying to draw up a play in The Waterboy scene

 

[PSUWrestling2425]

this is among the dumbest posts i've ever read.

wtf does it even mean? lmfao.

this is like the Henry Winkler trying to draw up a play in The Waterboy scene

Dumbest post you've ever read? Did you read Ironbird's post right after that? Just saying.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

It doesn't disappoint me either as long as we get our share of the top hitters. Barring that it disappoints the hell out of me and I'm going to keep discussing it/bitching about it until our leadership fixes the issue. Again, we're not just losing the recruiting battle against PSU. And as others have stated (and I agree with them), it's all about results at NCAAs. And until we fix that problem...well we're going to keep losing to PSU and we're going to keep bitching. There's simply no excuse. And I bet one of the stats guys on here can pull together stats that would indicate perhaps 5 or 6 schools have had as many, if not more NCAA champs than Iowa over the past 8-9 years...which is way unacceptable. I'm thinking PSU, Cornell, Missouri; maybe Okie State, NC State, VA Tech, Rutgers (gulp). I guess my thoughts are that we need to look past what PSU is doing and focus on what we're not doing. We're just not getting the job done when it matters most (recruiting and being ready at NCAAs).

Edit: First % is for AA wrestlers who finished 1st or 2nd. Second % is for AA wrestlers who won their last match (1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th). One of the more interesting stats to me is that Iowa is only 3 behind Penn State in total # of AAs since 2010.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

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Awesome work, Cali_Nittany!

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

It doesn't disappoint me either as long as we get our share of the top hitters. Barring that it disappoints the hell out of me and I'm going to keep discussing it/bitching about it until our leadership fixes the issue. Again, we're not just losing the recruiting battle against PSU. And as others have stated (and I agree with them), it's all about results at NCAAs. And until we fix that problem...well we're going to keep losing to PSU and we're going to keep bitching. There's simply no excuse. And I bet one of the stats guys on here can pull together stats that would indicate perhaps 5 or 6 schools have had as many, if not more NCAA champs than Iowa over the past 8-9 years...which is way unacceptable. I'm thinking PSU, Cornell, Missouri; maybe Okie State, NC State, VA Tech, Rutgers (gulp). I guess my thoughts are that we need to look past what PSU is doing and focus on what we're not doing. We're just not getting the job done when it matters most (recruiting and being ready at NCAAs).

Nashville_Hawkeye, Here is a list of the number of champions per each team you mentioned since 2014, which is nine NCAA tournaments. Cornell only competed in eight tournaments during that time frame since they were prohibited by their conference from competing in the 2020-2021 season:

Penn State 28
Cornell 8
Ohio State 7
Oklahoma State 7
Missouri 6
Iowa 5
North Carolina State 3
Rutgers 2
Virginia Tech 1

 

[Grip220]

this is among the dumbest posts i've ever read.

wtf does it even mean? lmfao.

this is like the Henry Winkler trying to draw up a play in The Waterboy scene

Oh stop Mr irrelevant, you have proved time and time again that you are just a psu troll in disguise.
I offered you a very honest chance to save face and stand up like a man, but we all know you are just a little weasel.
Iowa fans know your true colors and we will not forget!
Oh and again I will state that Flow is better without you. You are biased and drowning which is sad because there was a time when I thought you were honest and genuine.

 

[Grip220]

It appears to me like we would rather sign mid term guys who fit a certain conservative profile than top tier guys who may be a bit more free spirited.

Wow Dub, just Wow. I will not be drawn in and make this political.
I believe at some point you will begin to understand how wrong your statements are.

 

[moosemonster]

Dumbest post you've ever read? Did you read Ironbird's post right after that? Just saying.

Many people have Ironbird on ignore as his posts can cause seizures.

 

[AndEEss]

Wow Dub, just Wow. I will not be drawn in and make this political.
I believe at some point you will begin to understand how wrong your statements are.

He’s talking about a conservative wrestling style, man.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

He’s talking about a conservative wrestling style, man.

mid term guys

IDK.

I see @Grip220's point. Use of "mid term" (vs "mid tier") could've been 1) either a Freudian slip or purposeful troll, or 2) an innocent typo.

Also @Grip220 is smart enough to make a joke feingning it's the former while believing it's more likely the latter.

 

[Creek Side]

Tell you what you do. Go find some Billionaire who wants to throw money at the program! HIRE HIM!!!! Don't care if he ever wrestled a day in his life. Just bring the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

That's a great idea! Maybe you could get someone from the Dupont family. They got money. What could go wrong? 🤔

 

[el dub]

IDK.

I see @Grip220's point. Use of "mid term" (vs "mid tier") could've been 1) either a Freudian slip or purposeful troll, or 2) an innocent typo.

Also @Grip220 is smart enough to make a joke feingning it's the former while believing it's more likely the latter.

It was an auto correct typo. Mid tier vs top tier.