How so? It was all about gun safety when I went through it.
Did they talk about finding a handgun in a random place, like in jeep at an event, during the hunter safety class?
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How so? It was all about gun safety when I went through it.
Put the owner of the firearm who left it available to minors in jail. No tolerance. Penalize stupidity and lax control. Do not defend those who in a roundabout way allow death.Did they talk about finding a handgun in a random place, like in jeep at an event, during the hunter safety class?
Did they talk about finding a handgun in a random place, like in jeep at an event, during the hunter safety class?
You should ask some trauma surgeons their opinion on this. Suffice to say it's a hell of a lot harder to be put back together when you catch a round from a high powered rifle.
Not a trauma surgeon, but probably the closest thing in this board.
I'm sure you'd be shocked to hear Trad is incorrect. Although he is correct that a well placed 22 or .410 could cause death.
Define a gun if they are all the same. Some would say small arm versus high caliber...Then how the fvck am I incorrect?
A gun is a gun is a gun.
Then how the fvck am I incorrect?
A gun is a gun is a gun.
No. They're not. Just stop. I have shot since I was 10. I'm well aware of what I'm talking about.
The army could save so much money by switching to bb's, because a gun is a gun.
An air gun is not a firearm.
Try harder.
I replied to 2 of your posts in another thread which you could not defend and you chose not to reply. But, you tag me in this thread which I have chosen not to join. That's just weird and lazy.
That doesn't explain your position at all.
You admit that a shotgun or a .22 is deadly if "placed right".
Well, an "assault rifle" isn't going to kill you if the bullet isn't "placed right" either.
I replied to 2 of your posts in another thread which you could not defend and you chose not to reply. But, you tag me in this thread which I have chosen not to join. That's just weird and lazy.
Dumb. Tissue responds differently to the speed of the round. A .30 ar will typically cause a hell of a lot more trauma as it passes through you than a smaller caliber round.
He is both.Sometimes I can't tell if Trad is just being a contrarian or if he's that stupid.
More laziness. Keep validating.There's no point in debating your crazy conspiracy theories. I'm not going to change you mind.
If this is what you mean by gun safety it's not a bad idea. But elementary kids handling guns would make a lot of people uncomfortable, even if OP wants to scapegoat liberals. I know a lot of conservatives who are for reasonable gun regulation (just none in office getting lobbied by the NRA). Do we really need a trained pro to tell kids to get away and tell an adult?
What about protection?Of course not. There's no reason for the average citizen to own a gun for anything other than hunting or varmint control.
I'm an NRA member and can assure you no weapon merchants of death have approached me about anything.So, honestly... Are you in favor of the proliferation of guns that has accelerated in the last several decades?
Not hunting guns like families owned before, but man killing weoponry.
The sales of .22 caliber rifles or .410 shotguns is not the issue. Pure and simple, the danger to US society and culture worldwide is arms meant to maim and kill humans. The NRA and their members have been co-opted by weapon merchants of death.
Maybe not personally, but your dues help promote gun merchants who approach the NRA and profit from your organization’s efforts on their behalf.I'm an NRA member and can assure you no weapon merchants of death have approached me about anything.
What about protection?
The reality is that the arms industry has flooded the world with weapons and convinced folks like you that it is a good result...what will you tell your grandkids when they ask why did we do this to the world in which they live? (Clue... the kids are rejecting the stoopid actions of our society).
Why is it smart to have them all over?No, that's an opinion.
The reality is that guns are all over and that knowing something about that reality would be beneficial.
Of course not. There's no reason for the average citizen to own a gun for anything other than hunting or varmint control.
We don't wait till high school to teach kids not to run out in front of a car and we don't teach 1st graders how to drive. We don't use driving instructors to teach kids to look both ways before they cross the street. The all or nothing approach to gun safety seems a bit stupid to me.If this is what you mean by gun safety it's not a bad idea. But elementary kids handling guns would make a lot of people uncomfortable, even if OP wants to scapegoat liberals. I know a lot of conservatives who are for reasonable gun regulation (just none in office getting lobbied by the NRA). Do we really need a trained pro to tell kids to get away and tell an adult?
He does not believe in the right to self preservation. He has been clear on that.What about protection?
So, honestly... Are you in favor of the proliferation of guns that has accelerated in the last several decades?
Not hunting guns like families owned before, but man killing weoponry.
The sales of .22 caliber rifles or .410 shotguns is not the issue. Pure and simple, the danger to US society and culture worldwide is arms meant to maim and kill humans. The NRA and their members have been co-opted by weapon merchants of death.
I grew up with single shot fire arms and then got a .22 with a 5 or 6 shot capacity when chambering rounds. A little hunting gun or more likely for me, target plinking. My best buddy inherited his granddad’s pump action 12 gauge. I bought a single shot 30.06 as a 20 something in order to target shoot at more range. My old man kept a .22 revolver at the house that he sometimes brought out to pop water moccasins that scared the scat out of mom. Those are the guns civilians were comfortable with prior to the advent of the “ modern age” of weapons.This isn't true. You've fallen for propaganda.
People have always owned guns capable of killing men. Rifles, shotguns, pistols ect. They've always been there.
There is absolutley nothing special about an AR platform. Its just like any other rifle but on the smaller side. One pull one bullet.
Again, there is nothing that makes killing with these weapons easier, in fact no one with a brain would choose a rifle over a pistol or shotgun if they wanted to kill unarmed people.
The reality is the number of murders in America with guns are steadily going down and both hands and knives account for more deaths than rifles.
I grew up with single shot fire arms and then got a .22 with a 5 or 6 shot capacity when chambering rounds. A little hunting gun or more likely for me, target plinking. My best buddy inherited his granddad’s pump action 12 gauge. I bought a single shot 30.06 as a 20 something in order to target shoot at more range. My old man kept a .22 revolver at the house that he sometimes brought out to pop water moccasins that scared the scat out of mom. Those are the guns civilians were comfortable with prior to the advent of the “ modern age” of weapons.
No high capacity magazines, bump stocks, or silly AR clones that are meant for hunting humans. The weapons I grew up were not designed for hunting humans. For you to say that killing with the modern AR type with all of the available upgrades is no easier is BS.
You know that the growth of man killing weapon sales is promoted by NRA backers, if not the organization.
Totally wrong! You as a citizen are left on an island so to speak regarding protection, modern day law enforcement basically investigate violent crime after it is committed, rarely do the prevent it. You are left on your own to defend yourself and your family.Chicken and egg.
Why do I need protection? Because everybody is packing. Why are they packing? Because they need protection.
I feel so protected.
Of course the AR is not a deer hunting gun, tho many argue that is why it is sold.Lever actions like 30-30 have been around for 150 years.
Tommy guns were available to be bought by the public almost 100 years ago.
M1s were available post ww2.
What you're suggesting is ludicrous and historically inaccurate by any standard.
Americans have always had guns. Guns that could kill big animals are guns that could kill people. And they did. Much more frequently in the past than now, which destroys your argument.
An AR in .223 isn't even big enough to deer hunt with. It's a target/varmint gun.
Why are you oK with us having to protect ourselves from kids with guns?Totally wrong! You as a citizen are left on an island so to speak regarding protection, modern day law enforcement basically investigate violent crime after it is committed, rarely do the prevent it. You are left on your own to defend yourself and your family.
You do realize they aren’t free? People pay a premium to buy them like sports cars that go 150 mph when the speed limit is 75 or less. Get over it!Of course the AR is not a deer hunting gun, tho many argue that is why it is sold.
Oh, but the .223 AR is perfect to hunt the animal with the biggest brain. Trick it out with better accessories and it is a perfect killing weapon.k
Please remind me the last time the tommy gun was available to you or me.
The world has been flooded with guns since approx. the ‘70s. Third world countries are awash in them... as are our communities.
Big gun has produced and distributed at an amazing pace. For some reason, many citizens think that is good.