Predicted Pre-Seeds (Top 8)

[SimpsonStorm]

Predicted top 8 Seeds at each weight
125
1. Alan Waters - Missouri
2. Nashon Garrett - Cornell
3. Joey Dance - Virginia Tech
4. Nate Tomasello - Ohio State
5. Thomas Gilman - Iowa
6. Jesse Delgado - Illinois
7. Dylan Peters - Northern Iowa
8. Sean Boyle - UT Chattanooga
Could they give Delgado a better seed that 6th? NCAA seeding committee usually rewards people with a history of success at the big show, could see Delgado sneak above Gilman, but I doubt it.
133
1. Chris Dardanes - Minnesota
2. Cody Brewer - Oklahoma
3. AJ Shcopp - Edinboro
4. Ryan Taylor - Wisconsin
5. Cory Clark - Iowa
6. Earl Hall - Iowa State
7. Johnni DiJulius - Ohio State
8. Zane Richards - Illinois
Any way you cut it, Clark has to beat them all to win it. I would say Schopp 4 after his loss at EWL's, but he pinned Taylor this year. I would not be mad to see Clark as the 3 seed and I think it is possible with his wins at Big Tens. NCAA could say Clark placed ahead of both at the Midlands and is a returning AA.
141
1. Logan Stieber - Ohio State
2. Mitchell Port - Edinboro
3. Devin Carter - Virginia Tech
4. Nick Dardanes - Minnesota
5. Josh Dziewa - Iowa
6. Anthony Abidin - Nebraska
7. Zach Horan - Central Michigan
8. Chris Mecate - Old Dominion
Going to get berated for not including Mayes, but his only 2 quality wins were Dziewa and Mecate and Mecate beat him Saturday. He also lost to Horan this year and Horan won the MAC.
149
1. Jason Tsirtsis - Northwestern
2. Drake Houdashelt - Missouri
3. David Habat - Edinboro
4. Brandon Sorensen - Iowa
5. Josh Kindig - Oklahoma State
6. Chris Villalonga - Cornell
7. Alex Richardson - Old Dominion
8. Alec Pantaleo - Michigan
Hard weight to seed after top 6, like the possible matchup against the injured Kindig.
157
1. Isaiah Martinez - Illinois
2. Dylan Ness - Minnesota
3. James Green - Nebraska
4. Brian Realbuto - Cornell
5. Nick Brascetta - Virginia Tech
6. Ian Miller - Kent State
7. Josh Demas - Ohio State
8. Cody Pack - South Dakota State
Realbuto could jump Green and Ness and be the #2 seed. His only 2 losses were to Nolf and Alton in the first month of the year.
165
1. Alex Dieringer - Oklahoma State
2. Nick Sulzer - Virginia
3. Michael Moreno - Iowa State
4. Isaac Jordan - Wisconsin
5. Bo Jordan - Ohio State
6. Taylor Walsh - Indiana
7. Pierce Harger - Northwestern
8. Jackson Morse - Illinois
One of the easiest weights to seed.
174
1. Robert Kokesh - Nebraska
2. Matt Brown - Penn State
3. Mike Evans - Iowa
4. Logan Storley - Minnesota
5. Tyler Wilps - Pittsburgh
6. Blaise Butler - Virginia
7. Zach Epperly - Virginia Tech
8. Cody Walters - Ohio
Another weight that was easy to seed.
184
1. Gabe Dean - Cornell
2. Max Thomusseit - Pittsburgh
3. Nate Brown - Lehigh
4. Jack Dechow - Old Dominion
5. Blake Stauffer - Arizona State
6. Hayden Zillmer - North Dakota State
7. Taylor Meeks - Oregon State
8. Lorenzo Thomas - Penn
9. Domenic Abounader - Michigan
10. Sammy Brooks - Iowa
11. Willie Miklus - Missouri
12. Brett Pfarr - Minnesota
Interesting weight that could be seeded a lot of different ways after top 6.
197
1. J'Den Cox - Missouri
2. Kyven Gadson - Iowa State
3. Morgan McIntosh - Penn State
4. Kyle Snyder - Ohio State
5. Schott Schiller - Minnesota
6. Nathan Burak - Iowa
7. Connor Hartmann - Duke
8. Max Huntley - Michigan
Another weight that was easy to seed.
285
1. Nick Gwiazdowski - North Carolina State
2. Mike McMullan - Northwestern
3. Bobby Telford - Iowa
4. Austin Marsden - Oklahoma State
5. Adam Coon - Michigan
6. Connor Medbery - Wisconsin
7. Michael Kroells - Minnesota
8. Jimmy Lawson - Penn State
After the top 6 it could get interesting with how they seed it. I do not like Telford's matchup with Medbery in the Quarters.

 

[IA_Hawk81]

285
1. Nick Gwiazdowski - North Carolina State
2. Mike McMullan - Northwestern
3. Bobby Telford - Iowa
4. Austin Marsden - Oklahoma State
5. Adam Coon - Michigan
6. Connor Medbery - Wisconsin
7. Michael Kroells - Minnesota
8. Jimmy Lawson - Penn State
After the top 6 it could get interesting with how they seed it. I do not like Telford's matchup with Medbery in the Quarters.

Why? He's beaten him twice this year.

 

[SimpsonStorm]

He just does, I would much rather wrestle Marsden in the quarters than Medbery.

 

[AFHawk86]

I'd like to see our first 3 weights seeded at #6 and Burak at #7, but this is a personal preference based on match ups. It's not often to want 4 wrestlers seeded lower to have a better chance of success.
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[Gobblin]

Originally posted by SimpsonStorm:
Predicted top 8 Seeds at each weight
125
1. Alan Waters - Missouri
2. Nashon Garrett - Cornell
3. Joey Dance - Virginia Tech
4. Nate Tomasello - Ohio State
5. Thomas Gilman - Iowa
6. Jesse Delgado - Illinois
7. Dylan Peters - Northern Iowa
8. Sean Boyle - UT Chattanooga
Could they give Delgado a better seed that 6th? NCAA seeding committee usually rewards people with a history of success at the big show, could see Delgado sneak above Gilman, but I doubt it.
133
1. Chris Dardanes - Minnesota
2. Cody Brewer - Oklahoma
3. AJ Shcopp - Edinboro
4. Ryan Taylor - Wisconsin
5. Cory Clark - Iowa
6. Earl Hall - Iowa State
7. Johnni DiJulius - Ohio State
8. Zane Richards - Illinois
Any way you cut it, Clark has to beat them all to win it. I would say Schopp 4 after his loss at EWL's, but he pinned Taylor this year. I would not be mad to see Clark as the 3 seed and I think it is possible with his wins at Big Tens. NCAA could say Clark placed ahead of both at the Midlands and is a returning AA.
141
1. Logan Stieber - Ohio State
2. Mitchell Port - Edinboro
3. Devin Carter - Virginia Tech
4. Nick Dardanes - Minnesota
5. Josh Dziewa - Iowa
6. Anthony Abidin - Nebraska
7. Zach Horan - Central Michigan
8. Chris Mecate - Old Dominion
Going to get berated for not including Mayes, but his only 2 quality wins were Dziewa and Mecate and Mecate beat him Saturday. He also lost to Horan this year and Horan won the MAC.
149
1. Jason Tsirtsis - Northwestern
2. Drake Houdashelt - Missouri
3. David Habat - Edinboro
4. Brandon Sorensen - Iowa
5. Josh Kindig - Oklahoma State
6. Chris Villalonga - Cornell
7. Alex Richardson - Old Dominion
8. Alec Pantaleo - Michigan
Hard weight to seed after top 6, like the possible matchup against the injured Kindig.
157
1. Isaiah Martinez - Illinois
2. Dylan Ness - Minnesota
3. James Green - Nebraska
4. Brian Realbuto - Cornell
5. Nick Brascetta - Virginia Tech
6. Ian Miller - Kent State
7. Josh Demas - Ohio State
8. Cody Pack - South Dakota State
Realbuto could jump Green and Ness and be the #2 seed. His only 2 losses were to Nolf and Alton in the first month of the year.
165
1. Alex Dieringer - Oklahoma State
2. Nick Sulzer - Virginia
3. Michael Moreno - Iowa State
4. Isaac Jordan - Wisconsin
5. Bo Jordan - Ohio State
6. Taylor Walsh - Indiana
7. Pierce Harger - Northwestern
8. Jackson Morse - Illinois
One of the easiest weights to seed.
174
1. Robert Kokesh - Nebraska
2. Matt Brown - Penn State
3. Mike Evans - Iowa
4. Logan Storley - Minnesota
5. Tyler Wilps - Pittsburgh
6. Blaise Butler - Virginia
7. Zach Epperly - Virginia Tech
8. Cody Walters - Ohio
Another weight that was easy to seed.
184
1. Gabe Dean - Cornell
2. Max Thomusseit - Pittsburgh
3. Nate Brown - Lehigh
4. Jack Dechow - Old Dominion
5. Blake Stauffer - Arizona State
6. Hayden Zillmer - North Dakota State
7. Taylor Meeks - Oregon State
8. Lorenzo Thomas - Penn
9. Domenic Abounader - Michigan
10. Sammy Brooks - Iowa
11. Willie Miklus - Missouri
12. Brett Pfarr - Minnesota
Interesting weight that could be seeded a lot of different ways after top 6.
197
1. J'Den Cox - Missouri
2. Kyven Gadson - Iowa State
3. Morgan McIntosh - Penn State
4. Kyle Snyder - Ohio State
5. Schott Schiller - Minnesota
6. Nathan Burak - Iowa
7. Connor Hartmann - Duke
8. Max Huntley - Michigan
Another weight that was easy to seed.
285
1. Nick Gwiazdowski - North Carolina State
2. Mike McMullan - Northwestern
3. Bobby Telford - Iowa
4. Austin Marsden - Oklahoma State
5. Adam Coon - Michigan
6. Connor Medbery - Wisconsin
7. Michael Kroells - Minnesota
8. Jimmy Lawson - Penn State
After the top 6 it could get interesting with how they seed it. I do not like Telford's matchup with Medbery in the Quarters.

Hard to argue with any of this... Solid work!
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[MVPFAN]

For info:



2. Selection and Seeding.


For the 2015 Championships, the committee agreed to add
one additional coaches ranking, following the
conference/qualifying tournaments. Coaches on the ranking
panel shall have until 5 p.m. Eastern time the Monday prior to
selections to submit rankings.


The committee determined that the minimum threshold for
establishing Gold and Silver standards for the pre-allocations
shall be .700 winning percentage, Top 30 coaches rank, Top
30 rating percentage index (RPI). If wrestlers are tied, the
wrestler with the highest winning percentage shall receive the
allocation.


The committee will continue to use the following weighted
criteria formula to select at-large wrestlers.


Criteria Weighted Percentage


Head-to-Head 25%
Quality Wins 20%
Common opponents 10%
RPI 10%
Qualifying placement 10%
Coaches Rank 10%
Win % 10%
Number of matches 5%


The committee will also use that same formula as the guiding
principles in the seeding process. The committee is exploring a
tiering system for unique quality wins similar to what is used in
team sports with more weight being given to quality wins over
top performers. Quality win is defined as a win against a wrestler
who earned Gold or Silver standard and also qualified for the
NCAA tournament.


The committee will continue to seed the top 16 wrestlers in each
weight class. There will be no requirement that wrestlers from
the same conference/qualifying tournament not meet in the first
round. Pigtail matches will be randomly selected from the pool
of unseeded wrestlers.

 

[SimpsonStorm]

"I'd like to see our first 3 weights seeded at #6 and Burak at #7, but
this is a personal preference based on match ups. It's not often to
want 4 wrestlers seeded lower to have a better chance of success."

So you want Gilman to wrestle Dance - who he lost to and never got thru head and hands defense against him rather than a guy he is like 5-1 against for his career.

You want Clark to wrestle Schopp over Taylor - I don't disagree with this, but Clark has never wrestled him and he knows Taylor's style and he usually makes GREAT adjustments. Outside of Dardanes and Delgado who has Clark lost to twice in College?

You want Dziewa to wrestle a guy that took 2nd a year ago and is a STUD rather than a guy he just beat 5-2?

Burak vs Gadson over Burak vs McIntosh is a toss up.. I think he is better off as a 6 seed because the backside will set up better more than likely.

This post was edited on 3/9 12:32 PM by SimpsonStorm

 

[dicemen99]

I think you are giving too much credit in the seedings to the B1G. Yes, the B1G will likely dominate, but even if they say the opposite in public, the seeding committee usually is up for sliding other conference champs (and sometimes runnersup) ahead of guys who finished lower in B1Gs.

Specifically,

125 - I actually think Delgado will get a LOWER seed than this.

133 - looks pretty good, but I think you could see Schopp at 4 also.

141 - I think the guys from the other conferences are going to slide up and push all the B1G guys except Stieber back.

149 - looks good through 6 like you said.

157 - I don't think B1G gets top 3 seeds here. Also, Demas lower

165 - easy, agreed

174 - I wouldn't agree with it, but wouldn't be shocked to see them break up the big 4

184 - Quite the opposite of what I argued above, feel like the B1G champ will be higher here.

197 - Hartmann is likely to be seeded ahead of Burak, so whoever wished for a #7 above, probably gets his wish

285 - not sure that Kroells or Lawson get seeded that high. If they do, Lawson likely ahead of Kroells.

But all in all good work. Just think it will be a little less B1G centric for the top 8 seeds. Even though those are the guys that probably should be there.

 

[Big Fall]

I'm interested to see 133. I think Dardanes is 1, but I could see Taylor at 2, Schopp at 3 and Clark at 4. Brewer/OU has wrestled a garbage schedule so his overall body of work is limited (only a 17-1 record - not sure why OU wrestled so little). Hall is his best win and he was also pinned by him during the dual season. I just don't know if the committee can give him the 2 over guys with so many more quality wins and a more complete body of work. I could definitely see Taylor getting the nod over him. Clark and Schopp are both a mixed bag. Schopp's best win is over Taylor by fall but he's lost to Richards and also lost this weekend in the EIWA finals. Clark has multiple wins over Richards and DiJulius along with a win over Hall (with losses to Richards and DiJulius as well).

This one could go a number of different ways after Dardanes. The committee will have to decide if finishing 2nd and 3rd in the B1G trumps finishing 2nd in the EIWA or 1st in the Big 12. Personally I think it does. Schopp's fall over Taylor is a feather in the cap but I think that was earlier in the season and Taylor definitely ascended after - Schopp not so much. Clark also finished higher in the Midlands than Schopp did which was their only time in the same event.

 

[minnhawkeye]

125 I could see Gilman still getting 3 seed his only big ten lost was in the finals .Dance should get 2 seed.
I remember the year Luke got beat in big ten finals but still got the 2 seed because of his over all work during the year.
I think some of you are putting to much on the results of conference tourneys. Just my opinion.

 

[McCulloughd]

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

125 I could see Gilman still getting 3 seed his only big ten lost was in the finals .Dance should get 2 seed.
I remember the year Luke got beat in big ten finals but still got the 2 seed because of his over all work during the year.
I think some of you are putting to much on the results of conference tourneys. Just my opinion.

The loss to Boyle didn't help.

 

[sloehawk]

Originally posted by dicemen99:
I think you are giving too much credit in the seedings to the B1G. Yes, the B1G will likely dominate, but even if they say the opposite in public, the seeding committee usually is up for sliding other conference champs (and sometimes runnersup) ahead of guys who finished lower in B1Gs.

Specifically,

125 - I actually think Delgado will get a LOWER seed than this.

133 - looks pretty good, but I think you could see Schopp at 4 also.

141 - I think the guys from the other conferences are going to slide up and push all the B1G guys except Stieber back.

149 - looks good through 6 like you said.

157 - I don't think B1G gets top 3 seeds here. Also, Demas lower

165 - easy, agreed

174 - I wouldn't agree with it, but wouldn't be shocked to see them break up the big 4

184 - Quite the opposite of what I argued above, feel like the B1G champ will be higher here.

197 - Hartmann is likely to be seeded ahead of Burak, so whoever wished for a #7 above, probably gets his wish

285 - not sure that Kroells or Lawson get seeded that high. If they do, Lawson likely ahead of Kroells.

But all in all good work. Just think it will be a little less B1G centric for the top 8 seeds. Even though those are the guys that probably should be there.

I guess I'd be shocked to see Kroells seeded Top 8. Granted, he's got a brutal schedule, same would apply to Lawson.

I think it's more likely to see Mizzou's HWT. Mellon in the discussion for a 7th, 8th seed (without completely knowing all these guys body of work).

I can't see Cory Clark getting a 3 seed, but he did avenge some earlier losses late in the year, which I presume has to count for something. And he pushed #1 Dardanes to the limit after getting handled easily on the 1st matchup. Taylor from Sconnie looked pretty good too. Can't see Schopp dropping below a 4.

I'd be shocked to not see Mayes seeded Top 8. Just the fact that he DESTROYED Dziewa on national TV should have him placed as high as Dziewa, while fully understanding guys have bad days and bad matchups but still......................

We should all have learned our lesson by now, that the Big Tens brutal schedule (not for every team but...............) hurts seeding at the NCAA's. There have been plenty of guys from lesser conference's with higher seeds based largely on fewer losses. That said, it's a tough gig.

 

[wasdt21]

schoop wrestles in the ewl and he got third not 2nd, probably still gets a high seed.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Not understanding Kindig ranked so high. He defaulted and forfeited at their round robin play date.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Correct me If I'm wrong.
Don't they seed the 1st and 2nd place winners at conference tourney in separate brackets?
If This is the case than Gilman should get a 6 seed if Tomasello if he is the 4th seed.

 

[MVPFAN]

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Correct me If I'm wrong.
Don't they seed the 1st and 2nd place winners at conference tourney in separate brackets?
If This is the case than Gilman should get a 6 seed if Tomasello if he is the 4th seed.

They used to avoid same conf. matches for a couple rounds but no more.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Originally posted by Kwoodhawk:

Not understanding Kindig ranked so high. He defaulted and forfeited at their round robin play date.

Agree too. Solid work but that one stood out too. No way they give him the benefit of the doubt. This seeding commitee has shown that it really doesnt like guys that only wrestle a handful of matches. You would have better luck looking bad in your conf tourrney and being ok than you would wrestling limited matches. IMO Kindig and Hunter Stieber and Delgado are punished a bit. Stieber worse than the others. Delgado being 2x champ gives him a benifit but it wont be at Gilmans expense.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Going off theses seeds and adding onto my Rant on the importance of Brooks and Clarks for the team title in another thread. THis would be there path starting with QTRS:

Clark
~ Taylor
~Dardanes
~Schoop/Brewr


Brooks
~Thomesuit
~N. Brown
~Dean


I really hope Clark gets a 6 seed versus a 5. I will easily take that 6 seed path right now!


Brooks, not bad really. Brooks is more athletic and better wrestler that the brick house Thom. He can beat him. Brown is tough but IMO still better than facing Dechow. He can win that. Dean, not so much.


This post was edited on 3/10 9:35 AM by Ihawkd9times

 

[Hawks1010]

133 - Brewer does not deserve a 2 seed, his 1 good win was Hall (10-5) last weekend, he also lost to him this year. He doesn't even qualify for the RPI because he hasn't had enough matches, even if he did he has wrestled 2 guys currently ranked in the top 15 (Hall 7th, Soto 13th), so that should be 0% out of a possible 10%. He is however a 2-time AA which will be in his favor. Just not seeing him as a 2 seed at this weight. As always JMO.

 

[9Hawks]

Anyone know what they are seeding down to this year? 12? 16? Thanks

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Originally posted by Hawks1010:
133 - Brewer does not deserve a 2 seed, his 1 good win was Hall (10-5) last weekend, he also lost to him this year. He doesn't even qualify for the RPI because he hasn't had enough matches, even if he did he has wrestled 2 guys currently ranked in the top 15 (Hall 7th, Soto 13th), so that should be 0% out of a possible 10%. He is however a 2-time AA which will be in his favor. Just not seeing him as a 2 seed at this weight. As always JMO.

No he doesnt. IMO Schoop is the guy to beat at that weight class. Throw all the record and rankings out the window like you had to do with Ramos last year. Dardanes will be close but Schoop will manage that match with his riding and Dardanes will find a way to lose on a reversal scramble type deal at the end. Wouldnt suprise me Schoop catches him in a cradle with his length. If that was the finals that is.

 

[140wildcatv2]

Originally posted by 9Hawks:
Anyone know what they are seeding down to this year? 12? 16? Thanks

16

 

[HawkeyeFever62]

I haven't followed Okie State much this year but who has Marsden beat to warrant a 4 seed?
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[minnhawkeye]

Originally posted by MVPFAN:

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Correct me If I'm wrong.
Don't they seed the 1st and 2nd place winners at conference tourney in separate brackets?
If This is the case than Gilman should get a 6 seed if Tomasello if he is the 4th seed.

They used to avoid same conf. matches for a couple rounds but no more.

Ok thought they used to thanks for the information MVPFAN

 

[Hawks1010]

Originally posted by Ihawkd9times:

Originally posted by Hawks1010:
133 - Brewer does not deserve a 2 seed, his 1 good win was Hall (10-5) last weekend, he also lost to him this year. He doesn't even qualify for the RPI because he hasn't had enough matches, even if he did he has wrestled 2 guys currently ranked in the top 15 (Hall 7th, Soto 13th), so that should be 0% out of a possible 10%. He is however a 2-time AA which will be in his favor. Just not seeing him as a 2 seed at this weight. As always JMO.

No he doesnt. IMO Schoop is the guy to beat at that weight class. Throw all the record and rankings out the window like you had to do with Ramos last year. Dardanes will be close but Schoop will manage that match with his riding and Dardanes will find a way to lose on a reversal scramble type deal at the end. Wouldnt suprise me Schoop catches him in a cradle with his length. If that was the finals that is.

Not sure I agree with Schoop is the guy to beat. He lost this weekend to unranked Ronnie Perry and is not all that great on his feet. If you have an opportunity to avoid going down both periods he is very beatable. Still not sure he is 100% percent coming back from injury.

This post was edited on 3/10 12:28 PM by Hawks1010

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Originally posted by Hawks1010:

Originally posted by Ihawkd9times:

Originally posted by Hawks1010:
133 - Brewer does not deserve a 2 seed, his 1 good win was Hall (10-5) last weekend, he also lost to him this year. He doesn't even qualify for the RPI because he hasn't had enough matches, even if he did he has wrestled 2 guys currently ranked in the top 15 (Hall 7th, Soto 13th), so that should be 0% out of a possible 10%. He is however a 2-time AA which will be in his favor. Just not seeing him as a 2 seed at this weight. As always JMO.

No he doesnt. IMO Schoop is the guy to beat at that weight class. Throw all the record and rankings out the window like you had to do with Ramos last year. Dardanes will be close but Schoop will manage that match with his riding and Dardanes will find a way to lose on a reversal scramble type deal at the end. Wouldnt suprise me Schoop catches him in a cradle with his length. If that was the finals that is.

Not sure I agree with Schoop is the guy to beat. He lost this weekend to unranked Ronnie Perry and is not all that great on his feet. If you have an opportunity to avoid going down both periods he is very beatable. Still not sure he is 100% percent coming back from injury.


This post was edited on 3/10 12:28 PM by Hawks1010

See i didnt know all of that. You may have a point then lol. Is Ronnie Perry the 3rd Perry brother? The one with the afro?

 

[final drive]

According to these pre-seeds the rodents win?