Having Downey on the team is sweet, throws a whole new level of excitement in that we wouldn't have had at his weight without him.
Predicting 6 AA's for Iowa
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Keep doubting this group of kids. They are hungry and want to prove everybody wrong. While most believe psu is the team to beat I will disagree I believe fosu is the team to beat. Here's a breakdown for you.
125: Iowa if Lee he's a AA and has a REAL good chance at winning it. Fosu Tomatoe is out for a while and it will be VERY interesting to see how he bounces back but he is a AA. Psu has no real chance at scoring pts here.
133: Iowa Laux is a hard nose kid but has No chance to AA. Fosu has Pletcher and he is going to AA as for psu they will struggle to score pts here as well.
141: Iowa has Turk and he has a good shot at being a AA. Fosu has McKenna who will AA and has a chance at the finals and psu has a chance at having a AA only if Lee goes here for them.
149: Iowa has Sorensen who as much as I want to say has a shot at a title he just does not match up well against Rutherford. Fosu has Hayes and while he comes off a bit cocky he will AA, psu has the champ moving on
157: Iowa has Kemdawg and I honestly think he is our best shot at a champion but for now I will say 2nd. Fosu has Jordan who gets 3rd or 4th here and psu has 1 or 2 with Nolf
165: Iowa has The BULL
125: Iowa if Lee he's a AA and has a REAL good chance at winning it. Fosu Tomatoe is out for a while and it will be VERY interesting to see how he bounces back but he is a AA. Psu has no real chance at scoring pts here.
133: Iowa Laux is a hard nose kid but has No chance to AA. Fosu has Pletcher and he is going to AA as for psu they will struggle to score pts here as well.
141: Iowa has Turk and he has a good shot at being a AA. Fosu has McKenna who will AA and has a chance at the finals and psu has a chance at having a AA only if Lee goes here for them.
149: Iowa has Sorensen who as much as I want to say has a shot at a title he just does not match up well against Rutherford. Fosu has Hayes and while he comes off a bit cocky he will AA, psu has the champ moving on
157: Iowa has Kemdawg and I honestly think he is our best shot at a champion but for now I will say 2nd. Fosu has Jordan who gets 3rd or 4th here and psu has 1 or 2 with Nolf
165: Iowa has The BULL
165: Iowa has the BULL who WILL AA and don't be shocked when he is battling Joseph for 3rd. Fosu has Campbell who is their weakest link by far but still is a rd of 12 type guy. Psu has Joseph who won it last year but I just got the feeling he got a bit lucky last year. He is a AA probably 3rd though.
174: Iowa has Young and outside of the top 4 he could beat just about anybody but for now I will just say fringe AA. Fosu has Jordan who was not a 100% last year and he is a legit title contender worse case scenario he gets 3rd. Psu has Hall who has what it takes to repeat worse case senerio he gets 3rd
184: Iowa has PDIII and he will AA in the top 3 and is a legit contender. Fosu has Martin if there anybody that can beat Nickal somewhat regularly it Martin but he also finds ways to lose to others as well AA for sure probably 3rd. Psu has Nickal and while his style somewhat drives me nuts he still is the favorite here and gets a small break so to speak with Martin on the other side finalist for sure.
197: Iowa has Cash money in what is a pretty sad weight. Cash makes the stand. Fosu has the Champ. Probably my favorite wrestler that is NOT a Hawk. Psu has McCutcheon he is a AA probably 3rd or 4th
Hwt: Iowa has Stoll and laugh all you want but he can make a run into the finals if healthy. But for now I will say 3rd. Osu has the Champ and probably Hodge winner sorry Rutherford. Psu has Nevils who is pretty darn good but 5th is where I have him.
174: Iowa has Young and outside of the top 4 he could beat just about anybody but for now I will just say fringe AA. Fosu has Jordan who was not a 100% last year and he is a legit title contender worse case scenario he gets 3rd. Psu has Hall who has what it takes to repeat worse case senerio he gets 3rd
184: Iowa has PDIII and he will AA in the top 3 and is a legit contender. Fosu has Martin if there anybody that can beat Nickal somewhat regularly it Martin but he also finds ways to lose to others as well AA for sure probably 3rd. Psu has Nickal and while his style somewhat drives me nuts he still is the favorite here and gets a small break so to speak with Martin on the other side finalist for sure.
197: Iowa has Cash money in what is a pretty sad weight. Cash makes the stand. Fosu has the Champ. Probably my favorite wrestler that is NOT a Hawk. Psu has McCutcheon he is a AA probably 3rd or 4th
Hwt: Iowa has Stoll and laugh all you want but he can make a run into the finals if healthy. But for now I will say 3rd. Osu has the Champ and probably Hodge winner sorry Rutherford. Psu has Nevils who is pretty darn good but 5th is where I have him.
141 will have Heil, Meredith, Jack, McKenna, Eireman, Ashnault (possibly), Thorn, Yianni D, Chad Red, Nick Lee (likely). I haven't seen enough from Turk to say he realistically has a chance to make the podium.
157 I think we are in a dog fight for 2nd. Richie Lewis just beat the breaks off of Berger, who we've had tough matches with, Lavallee, and Pantaleo. I think we are from 2nd-4th there. It's one of the most underrated weights.
197 I think with the exception of Moore and Haught, Wilcke can beat anyone there including Miklus and McCutheon. I do wish we had Downey here and Wilcke at 184 but oh well.
157 I think we are in a dog fight for 2nd. Richie Lewis just beat the breaks off of Berger, who we've had tough matches with, Lavallee, and Pantaleo. I think we are from 2nd-4th there. It's one of the most underrated weights.
197 I think with the exception of Moore and Haught, Wilcke can beat anyone there including Miklus and McCutheon. I do wish we had Downey here and Wilcke at 184 but oh well.
I agree w most of your assessment except I'm really hesitant about Hwt and 97. Health for Stoll & how 97 develops
Don't see Synder taking Hodge away from Zain.
Don't see Synder taking Hodge away from Zain.
I think it would be an absolute shame for Snyder to not win it if he bonuses his way through the season. He's the best wrestler and it's not close.
Still...I don't see him overcoming Zain with the limited amount of matches he wrestles
Synder is a fantastic wrestler and one of the best to ever take the college mats, but it would also be a shame to promote part time college wrestling by giving him a Hodge for what he's done internationally.
No disrespect to Lewis, who is a quality wrestler, but that was a freestyle match. I’d also like to point out that the last time Kemerer wrestled Berger he majored him. Just two small comments—2nd to 4th is about right for Kemerer. Also, if Joe Smith is here, he’s another good guy at 157.
You're saying that solely because he's doing what he does and Zain is doing what he does. Snyder is far better than Zain and it'd be ridiculous if the best wrestler didn't get it. This is coming from someone who hates both of those dumps.
"Best wrestler" isn't necessarily the criteria. A lot more goes into it. Look it up, you might feel a little different about your stance on this. I said "might". Lol.
The Hodge has specific requirements for selection. Based on those criteria, Zain is superior. Again, based on the criteria. I'm not sure you understand the criteria or you probably wouldn't state that Snyder is far better than Zain. According to Hodge criteria he is not. That said, Snyder is much more accomplished than Zain internationally and is a phenom.
I 100% understand the criteria and I will still state that he's far better than Zain. You're a PSU fan so of course you're on his nuts, if it was the other way around then you'd be all over Snyders.
Honestly, I DO NOT consider Snyder a better Folkstyle wrestler than Zain. Mat wrestling is a giant factor, where Snyder is inferior. Now Snyder is definitely better in Neutral, but Retherford has the gas tank to negate Snyder's usual other advantage.
Plus, the Hodge was created to put major emphasis on the fall. Snyder has maybe 3 falls his whole career over DI wrestlers.
Snyder may very well be our best Freestyler ever, when all is said and done, but Retherford deserves to be put considerably ahead of him in Folk.
Plus, the Hodge was created to put major emphasis on the fall. Snyder has maybe 3 falls his whole career over DI wrestlers.
Snyder may very well be our best Freestyler ever, when all is said and done, but Retherford deserves to be put considerably ahead of him in Folk.
I've said that Imar has a great shot this year if he wins, so no, I'm not hanging on anyone's nuts. Maybe I'm just neutral about wrestlers I've never met vying for a trophy that means nothing to anyone other than the wrestlers.
Snyder's gas tank is legendary. His recovery rate is so high that even Jim Gibbons mentioned it during a dual meet broadcast last season. I believe Gibbon's said that 'Snyder's recovery rate tested off the charts.'
I don't believe Zain is "considerably better" than Snyder in folkstyle. 2,1,1,? at NCAAs with a finals win over Gwiz and no red shirt is better than 5,RS,1,1,?, to me, and If Zain wrestled his true sophomore year he likely would have placed 3rd. Zain or Nolf will win the Hodge this year because of the number of bonus points they will score, but bonus point machines aren't always the best wrestlers for example Taylor had more bonus points than Dake, and... well you know the rest.
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Plus Snyder has wrestled dudes way above his weight. He beat a two time champ (a top 5 HWY imo) and a bronze medalist in Gwiz and beat Medberry this year. Will likely have to face off against Coon this year. I'll take those wins over anybody at 149 that Zain has faced. I'm sure Kyle is ok with it though...he wins World and Olympic titles. He stayed around because he loves Ohio State.
Snyder’s quality of competition has been far better than Zain’s. During Snyder’s title runs he’s beaten Coon, Gwiz, Medberry. And easily handled them all but Gwiz. Zain has beaten Sorenson and Collica in OT last year. In his title runs he hasn’t beaten anyone near the caliber that Snyder has.
Zain should win the Hodge based on the criteria. Snyder is undoubtedly the better wrestler.
Zain should win the Hodge based on the criteria. Snyder is undoubtedly the better wrestler.
PD3 and Brooks sharpening one another and grinding in the HWC. Look who just took two straight vs Martin in the finals of the U23 WTT. Way to go, Sam. Good luck at Worlds. GO HAWKS!
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PD3 will be a #1 for Iowa.
To be fair Brooks did beat him twice last season in the dual and Big ten finals. I'm excited to see Brooks, Meyer, PD3, Burak, Warner, Wilcke, Holloway, Bowman, Cook, Corbin & hopefully Hidlay all make each other better!
Touche....they're all evolving in that room and forcing one another to improve...great stuff. Wrestling nirvana.
Middleweights will be improving tremendously in the near future with M*, Novachkov and Perry working with them, then Sorensen will be sticking around with the HWC and we will be bringing in a 74kg absolute stud in the foreseeable future. Plus Kemerer, Lugo, Marinelli, Young, Gunther, Glosser, Brands.
Then we've got all the guys you listed at upper weights banging heads.
And the obvious wealth of lightweight talent. Lee, Gilman, Clark, McDonough, Delgado, Dardanes, Dardanes, TnT, Stickley, Glynn, Turk, Murin, Happel, Duggan.
The future is unbelievably bright. A new facility and a few more good recruiting classes and everything will be right in the world.
lol....just one of many. But I can tell you, rider976, I'm going to keep it cool.
Time will tell.
LOL (Making popcorn for this one...)
74kg stud into the hwc? At first I was thinking it was a new hawk recruit you were talking about.
To argue otherwise is silly as the stats, criteria, video, medals, etc are all there. Discussion to the contrary is biased or trolling in my opinion.
That said if Snyder bonus's close to zain (maybe not the pin rate but the TF rate is similar), and wrestles a full schedule, he should probably win it outright but for sure share it.
You mean these stats: Where his last 2 seasons were cherry picked and he wrestled exactly 2 top 10 guys outside of the post season tournaments.
SNYDER 2014-2015
#1 Cox, J'den (32 - 2) #2 Missouri 03/19 NCAA Championships 197 W DEC 3 - 2
#9 Woods, Shane (28 - 5) #23 Wyoming 03/19 NCAA Championships 197 W MD 14 - 5
#35 Atwood, Braden (15 - 10) #26 Purdue 03/19 NCAA Championships 197 W MD 12 - 4
#2 Gadson, Kyven (30 - 1) #11 Iowa State 03/19 NCAA Championships 197 L FALL 4:24
#5 Schiller, Scott (29 - 6) #6 Minnesota 03/19 NCAA Championships 197 W DEC 3 - 2
#25 McCall, Timmy (22 - 13) #15 Wisconsin 03/07 Big Ten Championships 197 W DEC 6 - 2
#3 McIntosh, Morgan (32 - 3) #5 Penn State 03/07 Big Ten Championships 197 L DEC 4 - 1
#8 Burak, Nathan (24 - 7) #1 Iowa 03/07 Big Ten Championships 197 W DEC 3 - 2
#18 Riddick, Elliot (15 - 13) #18 Lehigh 02/21 Ohio State - Lehigh (Nat. Duals) 197 W MD 9 - 1
#105 Pickett, Vince (12 - 17) #14 Edinboro 02/15 Ohio State - Edinboro 197 W TF4 25 - 9 7:00
#5 Schiller, Scott (29 - 6) #6 Minnesota 02/06 Minnesota - Ohio State Dual 197 W DEC 3 - 1
#42 Hrymack, Hayden (13 - 12) #24 Rutgers 02/01 tOSU - Rutgers 197 W TF4 24 - 8 7:00
#102 Lynde, Tanner (6 - 9) #26 Purdue 01/30 Purdue - Ohio State Dual 197 W MD 18 - 7
#59 Fitzgerald, Rob (10 - 16) #44 Maryland 01/25 Ohio State - Maryland Dual 197 W MD 19 - 9
#46 Sheridan, Luke (19 - 17) #49 Indiana 01/23 Indiana - Ohio State Dual 197 W MD 18 - 7
#12 Huntley, Max (24 - 11) #8 Michigan 01/18 Ohio State - Michigan Dual 197 W DEC 5 - 2
#37 McDiarmid, Nick (13 - 13) #47 MSU 01/16 Ohio State - MSU Dual 197 W MD 17 - 6
#3 McIntosh, Morgan (32 - 3) #5 Penn State 01/11 Penn State - Ohio State 197 W DEC 6 - 1
#8 Burak, Nathan (24 - 7) #1 Iowa 01/04 Iowa - Ohio State Dual 197 L DEC 2 - 1
#5 Eblen, Johnny (28 - 7) #2 Missouri 12/14 Missouri - Ohio State Dual 197 W MD 15 - 5
#50 Noon, Trent (19 - 14) #59 Northern Colorado 12/05 Cliff Keen Invite 197 W MD 16 - 6
#51 Barnes, Micah (12 - 9) #7 Nebraska 12/05 Cliff Keen Vegas Invite 197 W MD 14 - 4
#46 Sheridan, Luke (19 - 17) #49 Indiana 12/05 Cliff Keen Vegas Invite 197 W MD 14 - 4
#55 Popple, Josh (16 - 13) #60 Harvard 12/05 Cliff Keen Vegas Invite 197 W DEC 13 - 7
#14 Bennett, Jace (33 - 11) #9 Cornell 12/05 Cliff Keen Vegas Invite 197 W MD 18 - 7
#2 Gadson, Kyven (30 - 1) #11 Iowa State 12/05 Cliff Keen Vegas Invite 197 L DEC 3 - 2
#170 McClure, Chance (6 - 11) #16 Virginia 11/24 Ohio State - Virginia Dual 197 W MD 20 - 6
#54 Haught, Jared (19 - 18) #13 Virginia Tech 11/23 tOSU - Virginia Tech 197 W DEC 8 - 5
#53 DaSilveira, Josh (25 - 16) #31 Arizona State 11/15 ASU - Ohio State 197 W MD 21 - 8
#44 Baxter, Cole (17 - 12) #39 Kent State 11/13 Kent State - Ohio State 197 W DEC 11 - 6
#12 Huntley, Max (24 - 11) #8 Michigan 11/02 Michigan State Open 197 W DEC 10 - 5
#26 Wellington, Phil (24 - 8) #28 Ohio 11/02 Michigan State Open 197 W DEC 11 - 4
#37 McDiarmid, Nick (13 - 13) #47 Michigan State 11/02 MSU Open 197 W DEC 8 - 2
#47 A Smith, Jake (24 - 13) #43 West Virginia 11/02 Michigan State Open 197 W MD 21 - 7
2015-2016:
#4 Walz, Ty (27 - 4)#5 Virginia Tech03/17NCAA Championships285WDEC10 - 6
#5 Dhesi, Amarveer (32 - 5)#17 Oregon State03/17NCAA Championships285WMD 16 - 5
#16 Harms, Tanner (22 - 6)#23 Wyoming03/17NCAA Championships285 WTF526 - 10 6:59
#2 Gwiazdowski, Nick (33 - 1)#8 North Carolina State03/17NCAA Champ285WSV-1 7 - 5
#66 Pelusi, Antonio (25 - 21)#73 Franklin & Marshall03/17NCAA Champ285WFALL3:34
#3 Coon, Adam (23 - 3)#11 Michigan03/05Big Ten Championships285WDEC7 - 4
#23 Jensen, Collin (22 - 16)#9 Nebraska03/05Big Ten Championships285WTF524 - 9 6:00
#24 Black, Brooks (22 - 11)#14 Illinois03/05Big Ten Championships285WTF526 - 11 5:29
#49 Horwath, Brock (17 - 16)#21 Wisconsin02/12Wisconsin - Ohio State 285WTF526 - 11 6:35
#214 Johnson, Jan (1 - 9)#1 Penn State02/05Ohio State - Penn State 285WTF524 - 9 4:00
#23 Jensen, Collin (22 - 16)#9 Nebraska01/17Nebraska - Ohio State Dual285WMD20 - 9
#4 Walz, Ty (27 - 4)#5 Virginia Tech03/17NCAA Championships285WDEC10 - 6
#5 Dhesi, Amarveer (32 - 5)#17 Oregon State03/17NCAA Championships285WMD 16 - 5
#16 Harms, Tanner (22 - 6)#23 Wyoming03/17NCAA Championships285 WTF526 - 10 6:59
#2 Gwiazdowski, Nick (33 - 1)#8 North Carolina State03/17NCAA Champ285WSV-1 7 - 5
#66 Pelusi, Antonio (25 - 21)#73 Franklin & Marshall03/17NCAA Champ285WFALL3:34
#3 Coon, Adam (23 - 3)#11 Michigan03/05Big Ten Championships285WDEC7 - 4
#23 Jensen, Collin (22 - 16)#9 Nebraska03/05Big Ten Championships285WTF524 - 9 6:00
#24 Black, Brooks (22 - 11)#14 Illinois03/05Big Ten Championships285WTF526 - 11 5:29
#49 Horwath, Brock (17 - 16)#21 Wisconsin02/12Wisconsin - Ohio State 285WTF526 - 11 6:35
#214 Johnson, Jan (1 - 9)#1 Penn State02/05Ohio State - Penn State 285WTF524 - 9 4:00
#23 Jensen, Collin (22 - 16)#9 Nebraska01/17Nebraska - Ohio State Dual285WMD20 - 9
2016-2017:
#2 Medbery, Connor (29 - 2) #8 Wisconsin 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W DEC 6 - 3
#11 Kasper, Jacob (31 - 6) #44 Duke 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W MD 19 - 6
#7 Kroells, Michael (30 - 11) #10 Minnesota 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W DEC 13 - 7
#34 Ryan, Garrett (27 - 9) #66 Columbia 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W TF5 22 - 7 6:08
#78 Gunning, Jake (19 - 8) #50 Buffalo 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W TF5 25 - 10 6:06
#2 Medbery, Connor (29 - 2) #8 Wisconsin 03/04 Big Ten Championships 285 W DEC 8 - 5
#94 Gross, Razohnn (14 - 12) #18 Rutgers 03/04 Big Ten Champ 285 W TF5 26 - 9 5:42
#7 Kroells, Michael (30 - 11) #10 Minnesota 03/04 Big Ten Championships 285 W DEC 14 - 7
#23 Jensen, Collin (29 - 14) #7 Nebraska 02/10 Ohio State - Nebraska Dual 285 W MD 16 - 6
#94 Gross, Razohnn (14 - 12) #18 Rutgers 02/06 Rutgers - Ohio State 285 W TF5 24 - 9 6:09
#8 Nevills, Nick (25 - 5) #1 Penn State 02/03 Penn State - Ohio State Dual 285 W MD 19 - 9
#71 Hemida, Youssef (22 - 13) #53 Maryland 01/22 Maryland - tOSU 285 W TF5 22 - 7 6:21
#88 Rachal, Deuce (7 - 9) #12 Illinois 01/15 Illinois - Ohio State Dual 285 W FALL 4:17
#68 Myers, Austin (14 - 15) #6 Missouri 12/08 Missouri - Ohio State Dual 285 W FALL 4:32
#105 Nye, Devin (17 - 20) #60 Kent State 11/22 Ohio State - Kent State Dual 285 W FALL 2:16
#210 Furbee, Michael (3 - 21) #68 Cleveland State 11/22 Dual 285 W FALL 1:30
#6 Hall, Tanner (35 - 6) #20 Arizona State 11/19 Ohio State - Arizona State 285 W MD 20 - 8
#2 Medbery, Connor (29 - 2) #8 Wisconsin 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W DEC 6 - 3
#11 Kasper, Jacob (31 - 6) #44 Duke 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W MD 19 - 6
#7 Kroells, Michael (30 - 11) #10 Minnesota 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W DEC 13 - 7
#34 Ryan, Garrett (27 - 9) #66 Columbia 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W TF5 22 - 7 6:08
#78 Gunning, Jake (19 - 8) #50 Buffalo 03/16 NCAA Championships 285 W TF5 25 - 10 6:06
#2 Medbery, Connor (29 - 2) #8 Wisconsin 03/04 Big Ten Championships 285 W DEC 8 - 5
#94 Gross, Razohnn (14 - 12) #18 Rutgers 03/04 Big Ten Champ 285 W TF5 26 - 9 5:42
#7 Kroells, Michael (30 - 11) #10 Minnesota 03/04 Big Ten Championships 285 W DEC 14 - 7
#23 Jensen, Collin (29 - 14) #7 Nebraska 02/10 Ohio State - Nebraska Dual 285 W MD 16 - 6
#94 Gross, Razohnn (14 - 12) #18 Rutgers 02/06 Rutgers - Ohio State 285 W TF5 24 - 9 6:09
#8 Nevills, Nick (25 - 5) #1 Penn State 02/03 Penn State - Ohio State Dual 285 W MD 19 - 9
#71 Hemida, Youssef (22 - 13) #53 Maryland 01/22 Maryland - tOSU 285 W TF5 22 - 7 6:21
#88 Rachal, Deuce (7 - 9) #12 Illinois 01/15 Illinois - Ohio State Dual 285 W FALL 4:17
#68 Myers, Austin (14 - 15) #6 Missouri 12/08 Missouri - Ohio State Dual 285 W FALL 4:32
#105 Nye, Devin (17 - 20) #60 Kent State 11/22 Ohio State - Kent State Dual 285 W FALL 2:16
#210 Furbee, Michael (3 - 21) #68 Cleveland State 11/22 Dual 285 W FALL 1:30
#6 Hall, Tanner (35 - 6) #20 Arizona State 11/19 Ohio State - Arizona State 285 W MD 20 - 8
