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Predicting the Big 10 West

hatefulgreat said:
You generalize both fan bases too broadly. Take a breath and slow down. IMHO, it's iowas D that should worry you in B1G play more so than any O linemen.
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Not generalizing too much after what I've seen from Facebook and the Husker board. Especially the NW prediction thread.

I'm concerned but not overly on the defense. Especially after only giving up 16 points last weekend. What I'm concerned with was having two starters on the OLine out and only having 34 rushing yards because of it. Not to mention the horrible protection of CJ. (See Iowa's last offensive play).

Both linemen are back this weekend so this will be the tell all weekend IMO. Will Iowa continue to struggle or will they get back to the form they had against ISU?
 
Here's my take on this whole situation...
What makes a blue blood a blue blood? And why are they different from other programs? All a blue blood needs is that one thing that's special to make them a big time winner again. You saw it at Oklahoma with the hiring of Stoops. And more recently you saw it with the hiring of Meyer at Ohio State. And sometimes it's not the coach but it's the fit and I think that's what you see with Nebraska situation with Mike Riley. Look at Alabama and the hiring and Nick Saban. As Big Ten guys you remember what Nick Saban was like at Michigan State. His career didn't take off until he got to LSU and then Alabama was smart enough to grab him and look at them now. Riley's record is very deceiving because he's taken the toughest jobs in football but make no mistake he's one hell of a football coach. And he's the perfect fit here at Nebraska. All that's left to do is sit back and enjoy the season and see what happens!
 
red rover 70 said:
Here's my take on this whole situation...
What makes a blue blood a blue blood? And why are they different from other programs? All a blue blood needs is that one thing that's special to make them a big time winner again. You saw it at Oklahoma with the hiring of Stoops. And more recently you saw it with the hiring of Meyer at Ohio State. And sometimes it's not the coach but it's the fit and I think that's what you see with Nebraska situation with Mike Riley. Look at Alabama and the hiring and Nick Saban. As Big Ten guys you remember what Nick Saban was like at Michigan State. His career didn't take off until he got to LSU and then Alabama was smart enough to grab him and look at them now. Riley's record is very deceiving because he's taken the toughest jobs in football but make no mistake he's one hell of a football coach. And he's the perfect fit here at Nebraska. All that's left to do is sit back and enjoy the season and see what happens!
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Mike Riley is 63. Saban was a decent coach before LSU and Bama. He was 9-2 at Toledo in his only season there. He left MSU better than where he got it.

Urban Meyer won everywhere he was at. Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, OSU.

Mike Riley hasn't won anywhere. Did I mention he is 63 years old?
 
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SWIowahawks said:
Mike Riley is 63. Saban was a decent coach before LSU and Bama. He was 9-2 at Toledo in his only season there. He left MSU better than where he got it.

Urban Meyer won everywhere he was at. Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, OSU.

Mike Riley hasn't won anywhere. Did I mention he is 63 years old?
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Oregon State was one of the worst programs in college football before he got there. San Diego was a dumpster fire on steroids. We'll see...

Didn't Saban get run outta the NFL?
 
red rover 70 said:
Oregon State was one of the worst programs in college football before he got there. San Diego was a dumpster fire on steroids. We'll see...

Didn't Saban get run outta the NFL?
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He was horrible in the NFL yes. I'm looking forward to seeing. I'm not as worried about Nebraska as I am about Iowa. As far as this Saturday goes. I just want it to get here so I can see if I'm right or wrong.
 
SWIowahawks said:
He was horrible in the NFL yes. I'm looking forward to seeing. I'm not as worried about Nebraska as I am about Iowa. As far as this Saturday goes. I just want it to get here so I can see if I'm right or wrong.
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Iowa is going to have a good team. They probably finish 9-3 or 8-4 in the regular season.
 
red rover 70 said:
Iowa is going to have a good team. They probably finish 9-3 or 8-4 in the regular season.
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Hope not. Like I said to begin the year, 9-3 isn't acceptable and 8-4 would be a travesty. Losing to NDSU and going 8-4 should not happen with the talent on this team.
 
SWIowahawks said:
Mike Riley is 63. Saban was a decent coach before LSU and Bama. He was 9-2 at Toledo in his only season there. He left MSU better than where he got it.

Urban Meyer won everywhere he was at. Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, OSU.

Mike Riley hasn't won anywhere. Did I mention he is 63 years old?
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I don't believe any of
Saban's coaches @ MSU went with him to LSU FWIW.
 
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red rover 70 said:
Oregon State was one of the worst programs in college football before he got there. San Diego was a dumpster fire on steroids. We'll see...

Didn't Saban get run outta the NFL?
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Slightly incorrect. I think Dennis Erickson is the one really brought Oregon State back. Mike Riley left in '98 and was 5-6. Erickson won the Pac 10 two years later and Riley took back over in '03.

Don't get me wrong. Riley did a solid job at OSU, but I think Erickson played a pretty big role in improving the program.
 
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SDHawkDoc said:
Of the probable contenders in the West, Iowa clearly has the scheduling in their favor and wisky clearly does not. wisky may be the better team, probably are, but I think they're going to get beat up with that schedule. I think (gag) nebby is just good enough to take the West due to wisky's tough cross over schedule and Iowa's classic down year following a good season. It will be a matter of which so-so team from the West is just good enough to take on the actual national title contender from the East(probably tosu) and be drubbed in the B1G title game.
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Iowa CLEARLY has an easier schedule than WI, not sure how you can say it is clearly easier than nebbys.....
 
H4wkfan4life said:
Iowa CLEARLY has an easier schedule than WI, not sure how you can say it is clearly easier than nebbys.....
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Wording issue on my part. wisky has the toughest schedule, by a lot.

I do have to give the nod to the bugeaters over Iowa as far as the B1G schedule given that they go to the 'shoe and Iowa gets scUM in Kinnick. But they have it relatively easy compared to wisky.
 
Capital1Hawk said:
6-3, drop at PSU, Michigan and either Nebbie or Wiscy. Think Nebbie will take the West this year unless we beat them.
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I think you're right. There is a very high likelihood that Wisconsin will be out because of its brutal schedule and at least one loss to Iowa/Nebraska and the game on the day after Thanksgiving will be for the West. How's that for legitimizing a rivalry that fans of both teams already know: It's ####### real!

As far as the Oregon win, I'd call it a good win, not a great win although the Riley connection to the PAC 12 does make for a great story. Of course Oregon isn't the same as 2014 but that team played in the title game and had a starting QB that went to the NFL and played immediately.

As far as this years schedules strength between Iowa and Nebraska, I think it's clear that Nebraska has an edge in the pre-season. The major difference in the B1G schedule is that Iowa plays Michigan and Nebraska plays OSU. Iowa gets Wisconsin and Michigan at home and Nebraska gets both of them away so I think the edge goes to Nebraska here.
 
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red rover 70 said:
Here's my take on this whole situation...
What makes a blue blood a blue blood? And why are they different from other programs? All a blue blood needs is that one thing that's special to make them a big time winner again. You saw it at Oklahoma with the hiring of Stoops. And more recently you saw it with the hiring of Meyer at Ohio State. And sometimes it's not the coach but it's the fit and I think that's what you see with Nebraska situation with Mike Riley. Look at Alabama and the hiring and Nick Saban. As Big Ten guys you remember what Nick Saban was like at Michigan State. His career didn't take off until he got to LSU and then Alabama was smart enough to grab him and look at them now. Riley's record is very deceiving because he's taken the toughest jobs in football but make no mistake he's one hell of a football coach. And he's the perfect fit here at Nebraska. All that's left to do is sit back and enjoy the season and see what happens!
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Iowa performed at a very high level last year, Rose Bowl notwithstanding. The team should improve as the year goes on. I predict 9-3, next losses to PSU and the Golden Goofs. I really believe we hold court at home from here on out.

Anyone can win the West. It's wild as hell.
 
Saw that Wisconsin made a QB switch. Tough first start for him going to East Lansing going against MSU's agressive defense. I don't see that ending well for him. Also saw Wisconsin has some other guys banged up as well namely most of their running backs. This is going to be such a brutal stretch for them. Especially with how physical Michigan and MSU are. They are going to get beat up.
 
I expect Northwestern to give Nebraska all it can handle this weekend. Fitz always seems to get his guys up for these kind of games where no one expects them to win. I can see their defense forcing Armstrong into some TOs.
 
SWIowahawks said:
You're kidding yourself if you think Oregon is anywhere near what they were in the early 2010's. Nebraska hasn't looked the greatest through most of their games. They do manage to blow the games open in the fourth quarter which is great against lesser opponents.

It took so much right for Nebraska to beat Oregon at home. Which, I'll be honest, I wish things went right for Iowa against NDSU. It was definitely a good win against Oregon but it's not enough to completely flip the switch on Nebraska.

It's like all of a sudden both fan bases have put blinders on and just looked at last Saturday to determine that Nebraska is back and Iowa is dog crap. Don't forget how good Iowa looked against a crappy ISU team that usually gives the Hawks fits. Now that the OLine is healthy, Iowa won't be as bad as they were against NDSU.
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You might be the worst poster on the rivals network... but I agree with everything here.
 
hatefulgreat said:
Some of you here, it's apparent to most who you are, need a lesson on making an effective argument and retort. First, an opinion without supporting facts is ineffective. Second, retorts that start with "your team almost lost" or "our team lost by less than your team" are weak.
Please take these friendly suggestions and we will all be better off. To those on here that know this already please disregard. I appreciate a lively debate about the B1G West.
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David1979 said:
I expect Northwestern to give Nebraska all it can handle this weekend. Fitz always seems to get his guys up for these kind of games where no one expects them to win. I can see their defense forcing Armstrong into some TOs.
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I expect Northwestern to put up a good fight but my Huskers will pull away in the second half. Tommy won't play perfect but he's coming into his own with running the offense.
 
red rover 70 said:
I expect Northwestern to put up a good fight but my Huskers will pull away in the second half. Tommy won't play perfect but he's coming into his own with running the offense.
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Have to agree here, NW isn't good and the lil' Red Machine is chugging along just fine. It'll be a clear and possibly easy win for Nebraska this weekend.
 
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HawktimusPrime said:
Have to agree here, NW isn't good and the lil' Red Machine is chugging along just fine. It'll be a clear and possibly easy win for Nebraska this weekend.
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Now if Tommy reverts back to his old ways then the game instantly gets harder. But the defense is a lot better then last year so it does give us a little wiggle room.
 
red rover 70 said:
Now if Tommy reverts back to his old ways then the game instantly gets harder. But the defense is a lot better then last year so it does give us a little wiggle room.
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Saying the defense is a lot better is an overstatement. The secondary looks to be improved, but the defensive line has definitely taken a step back. Nothing has shown me that Nebraska will be able to control the LOS against some of the better offensive lines on the schedule.
 
spbc7 said:
Saying the defense is a lot better is an overstatement. The secondary looks to be improved, but the defensive line has definitely taken a step back. Nothing has shown me that Nebraska will be able to control the LOS against some of the better offensive lines on the schedule.
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Our defense IS a lot better. There is a whole attitude change and nowhere is that more evident then with the play of the defense. The line is young but they're extremely athletic. John Parrella has really gotten them ready to play. Our linebackers are deep, athletic and healthy. You couldn't say that last year.And finally the secondary has matured and been a strength to the Blackshirts. All in all were pretty solid on defense.
 
red rover 70 said:
Our defense IS a lot better. There is a whole attitude change and nowhere is that more evident then with the play of the defense. The line is young but they're extremely athletic. John Parrella has really gotten them ready to play. Our linebackers are deep, athletic and healthy. You couldn't say that last year.And finally the secondary has matured and been a strength to the Blackshirts. All in all were pretty solid on defense.
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They gave up just shy of 500 yards at home to an Oregon offense with a bunch of freshmen on the offensive line and no Royce Freeman. Seems more like wishful thinking on your part than actual evidence that the defense is "a lot better"
 
red rover 70 said:
Our defense IS a lot better. There is a whole attitude change and nowhere is that more evident then with the play of the defense.
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LOL. I love these arguments. "We have a new attitude," "We're playing like a team," "We've made a commitment to each other," "Team chemistry has never been this good."
Too bad cliches can't make tackles.
 
MeetTheFerentz said:
LOL. I love these arguments. "We have a new attitude," "We're playing like a team," "We've made a commitment to each other," "Team chemistry has never been this good."
Too bad cliches can't make tackles.
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spbc7 said:
They gave up just shy of 500 yards at home to an Oregon offense with a bunch of freshmen on the offensive line and no Royce Freeman. Seems more like wishful thinking on your part than actual evidence that the defense is "a lot better"
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Let's compare the two schedules. Iowa's played Miami of Ohio, Iowa State and North Dakota State. Nebraska has played Fresno State, Wyoming and Oregon. Let's compare the ranking for Total Defense and turnover margin. The reason I'm using turnover margin is because that usually dictates what kind of Defense you have.

Iowa
Total Defense- 56
Turnover Margin- t13 w/8 schools

Nebraska
Total Defense-55
Turnover Margin- 5

That's improvement over last year.
 
red rover 70 said:
Let's compare the two schedules. Iowa's played Miami of Ohio, Iowa State and North Dakota State. Nebraska has played Fresno State, Wyoming and Oregon. Let's compare the ranking for Total Defense and turnover margin. The reason I'm using turnover margin is because that usually dictates what kind of Defense you have.

Iowa
Total Defense- 56
Turnover Margin- t13 w/8 schools

Nebraska
Total Defense-55
Turnover Margin- 5

That's improvement over last year.
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Uhhh I don't know what you think you just did, but it definitely was not proving that Nebraska's defense is much better than last year lol. Comparing Iowa to Nebraska this year says nothing about Nebraska from last year to this year. Also, turnover margin is as much about offense as it is about defense. Lots wrong with whatever you tried to do here.
 
red rover 70 said:
And Iowa wouldn't of lost to a division 1 team if NDSU would of missed the field goal. But they didn't and you were beaten. Oregon on the other hand missed their tries and Nebraska won. See how that works?
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Man was that kick so close to being missed. Another 6" to the right and he doinks it. I've wondered what the perception would have been if he had missed it. Would it have been a big story? I wish Kirk would have called a TO to try and ice him.
 
red rover 70 said:
Let's compare the two schedules. Iowa's played Miami of Ohio, Iowa State and North Dakota State. Nebraska has played Fresno State, Wyoming and Oregon. Let's compare the ranking for Total Defense and turnover margin. The reason I'm using turnover margin is because that usually dictates what kind of Defense you have.

Iowa
Total Defense- 56
Turnover Margin- t13 w/8 schools

Nebraska
Total Defense-55
Turnover Margin- 5

That's improvement over last year.
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I'm not sure why this was posted in response to me. My post has nothing to do with Iowa, and actually very little to do with Nebraska. It was pretty much just about you.
 
red rover 70 said:
And Iowa wouldn't of lost to a division 1 team if NDSU would of missed the field goal. But they didn't and you were beaten. Oregon on the other hand missed their tries and Nebraska won. See how that works?
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You missed my point, your QB will piss away two games this year and your coach is good for another, which is an improvement from last year.
 
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