See, even you proved my point; Biden is being graded on a curve. If Trump didn't exist, would Biden be the best choice for President in 2024?
President Biden should not run again in 2024
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The author of this editorial, David Ignatius was I’m “Morning Joe” this AM EXPLAINING why he felt obligated to write this editorial. It does not necessarily reflect his (the author’s) views.
Ignatius wrote it because the question deserves some discussion. Dems and liberals, unlike MAGAts and some Repubbers, are NOT afraid to hold important conversations...regardless of how “uncomfortable” these conversations might be.
Ignatius wrote it because the question deserves some discussion. Dems and liberals, unlike MAGAts and some Repubbers, are NOT afraid to hold important conversations...regardless of how “uncomfortable” these conversations might be.
Look, he’s not senile or addled with dementia or a vegetable. You guys know this.
He’s simply declining, like almost every person does at that age.
Absolutely. I think so. But exaggerating it and claiming he’s senile, etc doesn’t help the discussion.
I would love it if -
1. Joe would choose not to run, AND
2. There is an electable candidate to take his place.
Joe is old and declining, but Trump is insane and getting worse. I'm not sure why anyone would vote for insane over old, but apparently many will.
1. Joe would choose not to run, AND
2. There is an electable candidate to take his place.
Joe is old and declining, but Trump is insane and getting worse. I'm not sure why anyone would vote for insane over old, but apparently many will.
I'm not grading him on a curve.
I just dismiss the MAGAt bulshit which you see plenty of in this thread.
His policies are great but he's old!!!
That's all his detractors have...his age. IF he would die in office, which I highly doubt he does, and people think Kamala would ruin the country, it just adds to my belief that we aren't bright as a populace. She would continue on with Democratic policies, and protect the Constitution.
Yeah, that's awful.
Over DeSantis? Hell yes. Over Ramaswamy? Hell yes. Over Pence or Scott or Haley? Yes³.
I have never seen the "unlikable" about Kamala. I think she's bright and pretty funny in interviews. Granted, I generally agree with what she's saying. I have never seen a VP despised, from the start, as she has been. Ever. Again, I wonder why.
Dems didn't want anyone but Biden once it got going. This is a silly argument. All of the candidates slipped away after Biden got rolling. At our caucus there was maybe 3-5 people sitting in Joe's section.
Incorrect,... What actually happened was a group decision by a majority of the other still active Dem candidates to drop out just prior to Super Tuesday,... Biden was going nowhere until the others selected him as the most viable anti Trump option,.. All the other candidates slipped away, and then Biden got rolling... Joe has always been second best.
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Sorry, I don't see it. She's extremely accomplished but I thought she was a bad pick before she was picked. I certainly don't despise her and there's no doubt she'd just step into Biden's spot and continue his policies so there's no fear there but she'd never be on my list of top presidential candidates. If I'm just checking boxes, I'd take Abrams over Harris.
You can lump every Rifler post into that Not Important spoiler box above.
Oh don't get me wrong...she wasn't one of my favorites either but she is NOWHERE near as bad as people make her out to be. I tend to like her anytime I see her interviewed. She certainly wouldn't damage the nation in a couple of years time if Biden passed.
Yes, there are many other candidates I would like to see as POTUS, but Biden has earned the right and I think he's been a great POTUS. Again, Kamala has been despised from the start, unlike any other VP in my lifetime.
I'm curious to know who you consider better options, primarily because I agree with the article.
Not a conspiracy,.. but certainly not a demonstration of the public's desire for Biden..
Nope. You are showing your ass with comments like this.
I'm also curious as to why people are so against her. I don't really see the upside in dropping her before next election.
Biden rallies establishment in bid to turn back Sanders
Analysis: At the last possible moment, former rivals are coalescing behind the former vice president to try to blunt Bernie Sanders' edge heading into Super Tuesday.
WASHINGTON — The Democratic empire is quickly aligning its forces to strike back at Bernie Sanders.
First, billionaire Tom Steyer dropped out of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination after former Vice President Joe Biden romped to victory in the South Carolina primary Saturday.
Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., exited in quick succession Sunday and Monday and were expected to endorse Biden at a rally in Texas on the eve of the Super Tuesday contests that will pick roughly one-third of the delegates to the Democratic convention. Amid the candidate dominoes, a legion of current and former party officials threw their weight behind Biden, who had all but been left for dead by party elites a couple of weeks ago.
"It reflects the urgency of what we’re going into on Super Tuesday," said Adrienne Elrod, a Democratic strategist who worked on Hillary Clinton's bids for the presidency. "That's a big show of force that the left-of-center wing of the Democratic Party is consolidating around Joe because they understand what’s at stake, they understand the urgency, and they don’t want this to be handed to Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday."
Analysis: Biden rallies establishment in bid to turn back Sanders
Analysis: At the last possible moment, former rivals are coalescing behind the former vice president to try to blunt Bernie Sanders' edge heading into Super Tuesday.
www.nbcnews.com
I think people miss my point...I'm not saying don't do it [vote], I'm saying that it's sad Biden is the choice. The GOP is so bad that the Democratic party can literally roll out an 80+ year old candidate and that's fine and dandy.
It's the point I've always attempted (and clearly failed) at making. For 7 years I've watched either a narcissist or man who often appears he doesn't know where he is address the nation from the highest position in the world. It'd just be nice to have someone who projects confidence, leadership and mental sharpness be at the helm. That's all.
Maybe it's the military in me, but I've sat in rooms listening to a commander address the unit while thinking to myself, "Does this guy have a clue? I wouldn't follow him to McDonalds much less into battle". Conversely, I've had Commanders I'd follow anywhere, they inspire confidence, esprit de corp and the sincere desire to follow. I'd literally trust them with my life. The former, the weak leaders, are usually easy to control via solid deputies, senior NCOs and/or directors of operations. I've seen that scenario unfold many times; hell, I've been part of it.
...people say Joe has done a great job. Okay, but is it really Joe or is it a "guiding" staff? Are we watching Reagan all over again? How much of his [Reagan] 2nd term was being handled by his staff behind the scenes? To me there's a difference between having a competent staff you rely on for advice as opposed to a staff that has to literally keep you from eff'n up.
That said, Biden 2024.
It's the point I've always attempted (and clearly failed) at making. For 7 years I've watched either a narcissist or man who often appears he doesn't know where he is address the nation from the highest position in the world. It'd just be nice to have someone who projects confidence, leadership and mental sharpness be at the helm. That's all.
Maybe it's the military in me, but I've sat in rooms listening to a commander address the unit while thinking to myself, "Does this guy have a clue? I wouldn't follow him to McDonalds much less into battle". Conversely, I've had Commanders I'd follow anywhere, they inspire confidence, esprit de corp and the sincere desire to follow. I'd literally trust them with my life. The former, the weak leaders, are usually easy to control via solid deputies, senior NCOs and/or directors of operations. I've seen that scenario unfold many times; hell, I've been part of it.
...people say Joe has done a great job. Okay, but is it really Joe or is it a "guiding" staff? Are we watching Reagan all over again? How much of his [Reagan] 2nd term was being handled by his staff behind the scenes? To me there's a difference between having a competent staff you rely on for advice as opposed to a staff that has to literally keep you from eff'n up.
That said, Biden 2024.
I could go along with this and I think much of America would too.
Ok.Biden rallies establishment in bid to turn back Sanders
Analysis: At the last possible moment, former rivals are coalescing behind the former vice president to try to blunt Bernie Sanders' edge heading into Super Tuesday.
WASHINGTON — The Democratic empire is quickly aligning its forces to strike back at Bernie Sanders.
First, billionaire Tom Steyer dropped out of the race for the Democratic presidential nomination after former Vice President Joe Biden romped to victory in the South Carolina primary Saturday.
Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., exited in quick succession Sunday and Monday and were expected to endorse Biden at a rally in Texas on the eve of the Super Tuesday contests that will pick roughly one-third of the delegates to the Democratic convention. Amid the candidate dominoes, a legion of current and former party officials threw their weight behind Biden, who had all but been left for dead by party elites a couple of weeks ago.
"It reflects the urgency of what we’re going into on Super Tuesday," said Adrienne Elrod, a Democratic strategist who worked on Hillary Clinton's bids for the presidency. "That's a big show of force that the left-of-center wing of the Democratic Party is consolidating around Joe because they understand what’s at stake, they understand the urgency, and they don’t want this to be handed to Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday."
Analysis: Biden rallies establishment in bid to turn back Sanders
Analysis: At the last possible moment, former rivals are coalescing behind the former vice president to try to blunt Bernie Sanders' edge heading into Super Tuesday.
That is the unfortunate bottom line. If only he had picked a better VP, we would have a more enticing alternative. As it is, we simply have to survive 2024 without Trump, then hope he dies before 2028. Because I am afraid no matter how many times Trump loses the GOP will never drop him.
Hell, they might decide being dead does not disqualifier him, and try to run him dead or alive.
I don't think she is despised. She has always come across as a lightweight, which did not change in the VP debates and has not changed since the election. She is mainly ignored as irrelevant.
She’s sharp. Can’t have sharp females a heartbeat away.
Dim bulbs - no problem. 🫤
And Trump (the likely Republican nominee) is a traitor and an opponent of the American Constitution on American democracy. Is that too a larger concern, or not?
Mom...why would anyone who has watched the GOP political process over the past decade think otherwise?
Republicans love their traitors!
I liked her but she has a revolving door of staff going back to the beginning of her career in California.
Apparently, she's an awful boss and manager. That's a big red flag for a potential President.
‘Not a healthy environment’: Kamala Harris’ office rife with dissent
There is dysfunction inside the VP’s office, aides and administration officials say. And it’s emanating from the top.
www.politico.com
Her turnover rate is up there with Trump’s. That’s not good.I liked her but she has a revolving door of staff going back to the beginning of her career in California.
Apparently, she's an awful boss and manager. That's a big red flag for a potential President.
‘Not a healthy environment’: Kamala Harris’ office rife with dissent
There is dysfunction inside the VP’s office, aides and administration officials say. And it’s emanating from the top.
But Trump works....better hope Trump is the nominee. Anyone else and Joe is in trouble.
The Innocence Project has a lot of awful things to say about Harris. Basically railroading innocent people to prison to advance her career.
