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President Biden should not run again in 2024

The Biden White House has a blunt message for doomscrolling Democrats fretting about the president's old age and bad poll numbers: Clam up and chill out.

Driving the news: Mike Donilon, a senior White House adviser, is telling anxious Democrats that two issues — abortion and Donald Trump — will propel Biden to re-election, according to people familiar with the matter.

  • In those private conversations, Democrats have been struck by top White House aides' confidence. Some worry it's hubris.
Why it matters: Biden officials dismiss most of the growing concern over impeachment headlines, Hunter Biden's indictment, an immigration crisis, the president's age, an economy that voters don't love, and an auto strike that's testing Biden's union support.

  • Instead, the White House plans to continue its Rose Garden strategy, with a three-pronged message that focuses on protecting democracy, abortion rights and a resilient economy, including a historically low unemployment rate.
  • The recent calls for Biden to step aside are seen internally as just the latest example of elite Democrats underestimating Biden.
The big picture: Trump's upcoming court appearances will allow Biden to sharpen the contrast between his commitment to democracy and the former president's alleged role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

  • "I'm running because democracy is at stake," Biden told donors in New York late Monday.
  • While stressing democracy, abortion and LGBTQ rights, Biden has launched a defense of his economic record that aims to define the GOP'sfiscal plans as "MAGAnomics" — an assault on Social Security, Medicare and the middle class.
What they're saying: "We don't take the ups and downs of individual polls to heart," a senior Biden adviser told Axios. "What will matter next year is when our voters are fully engaged."

  • "While Republicans are going after each other, we are already reaching persuadable voters in battleground states," the adviser said. "Our eyes are focused on the long game."
Zoom out: Democratic anxiety over Biden's advanced age and low approval ratings reached a new level last week when The Washington Post's David Ignatius, one of Biden's favorite columnists, wrote: "President Biden should not run again in 2024."

  • That column dropped during a week in which the White House was buffeted by bad news and bad polls.
  • House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) directed the House to begin an impeachment inquiry into Biden. Meanwhile, the president's son, Hunter, was indicted on three counts related to his alleged illegal possession of a firearm.
  • Just one in three registered U.S. voters think Biden would complete a second term if re-elected, according to a CBS News/YouGov poll released last weekend. It also showed voters prefer Trump over Biden 50-49%, despite the four felony indictments clouding Trump's bid for another term.

 
The Biden White House has a blunt message for doomscrolling Democrats fretting about the president's old age and bad poll numbers: Clam up and chill out.

Driving the news: Mike Donilon, a senior White House adviser, is telling anxious Democrats that two issues — abortion and Donald Trump — will propel Biden to re-election, according to people familiar with the matter.

  • In those private conversations, Democrats have been struck by top White House aides' confidence. Some worry it's hubris.
Why it matters: Biden officials dismiss most of the growing concern over impeachment headlines, Hunter Biden's indictment, an immigration crisis, the president's age, an economy that voters don't love, and an auto strike that's testing Biden's union support.

  • Instead, the White House plans to continue its Rose Garden strategy, with a three-pronged message that focuses on protecting democracy, abortion rights and a resilient economy, including a historically low unemployment rate.
  • The recent calls for Biden to step aside are seen internally as just the latest example of elite Democrats underestimating Biden.
The big picture: Trump's upcoming court appearances will allow Biden to sharpen the contrast between his commitment to democracy and the former president's alleged role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

  • "I'm running because democracy is at stake," Biden told donors in New York late Monday.
  • While stressing democracy, abortion and LGBTQ rights, Biden has launched a defense of his economic record that aims to define the GOP'sfiscal plans as "MAGAnomics" — an assault on Social Security, Medicare and the middle class.
What they're saying: "We don't take the ups and downs of individual polls to heart," a senior Biden adviser told Axios. "What will matter next year is when our voters are fully engaged."

  • "While Republicans are going after each other, we are already reaching persuadable voters in battleground states," the adviser said. "Our eyes are focused on the long game."
Zoom out: Democratic anxiety over Biden's advanced age and low approval ratings reached a new level last week when The Washington Post's David Ignatius, one of Biden's favorite columnists, wrote: "President Biden should not run again in 2024."

  • That column dropped during a week in which the White House was buffeted by bad news and bad polls.
  • House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) directed the House to begin an impeachment inquiry into Biden. Meanwhile, the president's son, Hunter, was indicted on three counts related to his alleged illegal possession of a firearm.
  • Just one in three registered U.S. voters think Biden would complete a second term if re-elected, according to a CBS News/YouGov poll released last weekend. It also showed voters prefer Trump over Biden 50-49%, despite the four felony indictments clouding Trump's bid for another term.

The same polls as the red wave. BULLSHIT. Absolute BULLSHIT. Mark it down now.
 
The same polls as the red wave. BULLSHIT. Absolute BULLSHIT. Mark it down now.
They said on the view Joe’s longtime best friend recently said his crowning achievement was beating trump and it was great, but he needs to step away now as he doesn’t think he can do it again. And at the tailgate by Kinnick Saturday, some young kids were talking politics and I heard them say Biden can’t get re-elected. I said he would win especially if trump is the R candidate. They thought that was hilarious and said none of the younger folks like Biden, he’s way too old and they don’t think he has a chance. Not to mention his approval rating is in the 40’s and Kamala’s in the 30’s. I fear it will be closer than I once thought.
 
The Biden White House has a blunt message for doomscrolling Democrats fretting about the president's old age and bad poll numbers: Clam up and chill out.

Driving the news: Mike Donilon, a senior White House adviser, is telling anxious Democrats that two issues — abortion and Donald Trump — will propel Biden to re-election, according to people familiar with the matter.

  • In those private conversations, Democrats have been struck by top White House aides' confidence. Some worry it's hubris.
Why it matters: Biden officials dismiss most of the growing concern over impeachment headlines, Hunter Biden's indictment, an immigration crisis, the president's age, an economy that voters don't love, and an auto strike that's testing Biden's union support.

  • Instead, the White House plans to continue its Rose Garden strategy, with a three-pronged message that focuses on protecting democracy, abortion rights and a resilient economy, including a historically low unemployment rate.
  • The recent calls for Biden to step aside are seen internally as just the latest example of elite Democrats underestimating Biden.
The big picture: Trump's upcoming court appearances will allow Biden to sharpen the contrast between his commitment to democracy and the former president's alleged role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

  • "I'm running because democracy is at stake," Biden told donors in New York late Monday.
  • While stressing democracy, abortion and LGBTQ rights, Biden has launched a defense of his economic record that aims to define the GOP'sfiscal plans as "MAGAnomics" — an assault on Social Security, Medicare and the middle class.
What they're saying: "We don't take the ups and downs of individual polls to heart," a senior Biden adviser told Axios. "What will matter next year is when our voters are fully engaged."

  • "While Republicans are going after each other, we are already reaching persuadable voters in battleground states," the adviser said. "Our eyes are focused on the long game."
Zoom out: Democratic anxiety over Biden's advanced age and low approval ratings reached a new level last week when The Washington Post's David Ignatius, one of Biden's favorite columnists, wrote: "President Biden should not run again in 2024."

  • That column dropped during a week in which the White House was buffeted by bad news and bad polls.
  • House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) directed the House to begin an impeachment inquiry into Biden. Meanwhile, the president's son, Hunter, was indicted on three counts related to his alleged illegal possession of a firearm.
  • Just one in three registered U.S. voters think Biden would complete a second term if re-elected, according to a CBS News/YouGov poll released last weekend. It also showed voters prefer Trump over Biden 50-49%, despite the four felony indictments clouding Trump's bid for another term.

Smh, Dems just flipped the Pennsylvania state House by winning a district that Trump won. Your posts should be about the problems the Re have. They're the ones losing every special elections since Dobbs by an average of 11 points.
 
They said on the view Joe’s longtime best friend recently said his crowning achievement was beating trump and it was great, but he needs to step away now as he doesn’t think he can do it again. And at the tailgate by Kinnick Saturday, some young kids were talking politics and I heard them say Biden can’t get re-elected. I said he would win especially if trump is the R candidate. They thought that was hilarious and said none of the younger folks like Biden, he’s way too old and they don’t think he has a chance. Not to mention his approval rating is in the 40’s and Kamala’s in the 30’s. I fear it will be closer than I once thought.
It likely won't be closer than you thought. This election has 2018 written all over it. R
 
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Smh, Dems just flipped the Pennsylvania state House by winning a district that Trump won. Your posts should be about the problems the Re have. They're the ones losing every special elections since Dobbs by an average of 11 points.


 
There should be an age limit of 75 years old for the U.S.
Congress, U.S. Supreme Court, and U.S. President. We
do not need the elderly like Senators McConnell, Feinstein &
Grassley, Pelosi should retire from the House. Both Biden
and Trump need to withdraw from the 2024 Presidential
Election.

Bottom Line: America needs younger leadership for our
nation. We need people who are mentally and physically
up to the task. Yes, a new generation of leaders.
There should also be an age limit for this message board because people don’t know how to use the ****ing space button on their computer.
 

Scoop: Biden team's don't-let-him-trip mission​



President Biden and his campaign are working on a critical project for his re-election bid: Make sure he doesn't trip.

Driving the news: As voters express deep concerns about the 80-year-old president's age and fitness for office, Biden's team is taking extra steps to prevent him from stumbling in public as he did in June, when he tripped over a sandbag at the Air Force Academy.

  • With a physical therapist, Biden has been doing exercises to improve his balance as far back as November 2021.
  • Since his stumble in June, he has been wearing tennis shoes more often to avoid slipping — and using the short stairs on Air Force One, entering the plane on a lower deck than before.
Why it matters: Democrats, including some in the administration, are terrified that Biden will have a bad fall — with a nightmare scenario of it happening in the weeks before the November 2024 election.

Zoom in: Some senior Democrats privately have been frustrated with Biden's advance team for months, citing the sandbag incident and noting that the president often appears not to know which direction to go after he speaks at a podium.

  • Often without context 😆 , Republicans have used video clips of Biden looking confused about where to go after speeches to raise further questions about his age.
Biden's balance difficulties are likely the result of what his physician has diagnosed as "a combination of significant spinal arthritis" and "mild post-fracture foot arthritis."

  • Biden works out many mornings with physical therapist Drew Contreras, who also worked with former President Obama.
  • Biden's doctor has recommended exercises for balance, which he called "proprioceptive maintenance maneuvers."
  • What the maneuvers entail is unclear.
  • "I have never heard the term 'proprioceptive maintenance maneuvers.' It is not a clinical term in standard use," said Professor James Gordon, associate dean and chair of the Division of Biokinesiology and Physical Therapy at the University of Southern California.
Asked for more detail, White House spokesperson Andrew Bates told Axios: "This isn't new — it was proactively and transparently disclosed in a 2021 report from the president's doctor and again this year."

  • "This article fits an unfortunate pattern of media attempting to sensationalize something that has long been public, rather than covering the president's very real achievements for hardworking Americans," Bates added.
Zoom out: Recent polls have shown Biden's age is among voters' chief concerns about him. Voters also have significant age concerns about former President Trump — the likely GOP nominee.

  • Three-fourths of Americans see Biden as too old for office, according to an AP-NORC poll last month. About half also saw Trump, 77, as too old.
Beyond Trump's legal issues, his erratic behavior — as evident this week in his social media posts — has raised concerns about the former president’s mental state. (Ya think?)

  • In a flurry of posts this past weekend, Trump accused exiting Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley of a "treasonous act" and suggested he could be executed.
  • Trump also mentioned "treason" in vowing to use the presidency to investigate NBC News' parent company, Comcast, over "vicious" coverage of him.
Between the lines: Biden's team is betting that any mockery he receives over using the shorter Air Force One steps and wearing tennis shoes will be worth it to avoid another public stumble.

  • The Biden campaign's calculus is similar to its efforts in 2020 to prevent him from getting COVID, even as those steps — such as strict limits on in-person campaigning— led to memes mocking Biden's "basement campaign."
Flashback: Some Democrats worry about Biden having an accident like Republican Bob Dole did in September 1996, when he accidentally fell off a stage at a rally weeks before the election.

  • Democrats already had been knocking Dole, then 73, about his age — comparing him to the more energetic Bill Clinton, who at 50 was seeking his second term as president.
  • The video of Dole's fall, and a photograph of him grimacing in pain afterward, were widely republished and played.

 
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The average, non-fringe voter to the idea of Trump vs Biden:

Season 5 No GIF by The Office


‘Uniquely horrible choice:’ Few US adults want a Biden-Trump rematch in 2024, an AP-NORC poll shows


WASHINGTON (AP) — It's the presidential election no one is really jazzed about.

Relatively few Americans are excited about a potential rematch of the 2020 election between President Joe Biden and Donald Trump, although more Republicans would be satisfied to have Trump as their nominee than Democrats would be with Biden as their standard-bearer, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

That palpable apathy from voters comes even as both Biden and Trump are facing relatively few obstacles in their paths to lock down their respective parties' nominations next year. Biden has amassed broad support from Democratic officials as a handful of mostly token primary challengers have struggled to spark momentum. And despite 91 indictments across four criminal cases — including some centered on his attempts to overturn his electoral loss to Biden in 2020 — Trump's grip on GOP primary voters shows no signs of loosening a month before the first nominating contest in Iowa.

“Probably the best way to put it is, I find it sad for our country that that's our best choices,” said Randy Johnson, 64, from Monett, Missouri. Johnson, who is a Republican, said he wishes there were a third legitimate option for president but that the political system does not make that viable and added: “We're down to the lesser of two evils.”

Andrew Collins, 35, an independent from Windham, Maine, said: “This is probably the most uniquely horrible choice I’ve had in my life.”

About half of Democrats say they would be very or somewhat satisfied if Biden becomes the party’s 2024 nominee. About one-third of Democrats would be dissatisfied, and about 1 in 5 would be “neither satisfied nor dissatisfied.” When it comes to the Republican Party nomination, enthusiasm is higher for GOP front-runner Donald Trump. Two-thirds of Republicans would be satisfied with Trump as the Republican nominee for 2024. About one-quarter would be dissatisfied, and 9% would be neutral.

Looking at U.S. adults broadly — setting aside party affiliations — there's still not much enthusiasm for a Biden-Trump rematch.

Most U.S. adults overall (56%) would be “very” or “somewhat” dissatisfied with Biden as the Democratic presidential nominee in 2024, and a similar majority (58%) would be very or somewhat dissatisfied with Trump as the GOP's pick. Nearly 3 in 10 U.S. adults, or 28%, say they would be dissatisfied with both Trump and Biden becoming their party’s respective nominees – with independents (43%) being more likely than Democrats (28%) or Republicans (20%) to express their displeasure with both men gaining party nominations.

Deborah Brophy is an independent who says she supported Biden in the 2020 presidential election. But now, the 67-year-old has soured on the president, saying she felt Biden is too focused on dealing with conflicts abroad rather than “what’s going on under his own nose,” such as homelessness, gun violence and the economy.

“What’s going on with Biden right now?” said Brophy, of North Reading, Massachusetts. “I don’t think he’s, health-wise, able to continue another four years in office. I think his mind is a little bit going the wrong way in the way of not being able to think.”

Yet she is turned off by Trump’s attitude and said he “seems a little racist,” even while praising his business acumen.

“So I don’t know what I’m going to do,” Brophy added.

Among Democrats and Republicans alike, having a candidate who can win is given slightly more importance than having a candidate whose views represent most people in the party or even themselves, according to the AP-NORC poll.

Only about 3 in 10 Democrats are “extremely” or “very” confident that the Democratic Party’s process will result in nominating a candidate who can win the general election in November. About half are somewhat confident, and 18% are not very confident or not at all confident. While relatively few are highly confident they’ll get a winning nominee out of the process, three-quarters of Democrats say it’s “extremely” or “very” important that the party’s process for nominating a presidential candidate does result in a candidate who can win the general election.

Meanwhile, one-third of Republicans are extremely or very confident that the Republican Party’s process for nominating a presidential candidate will result in someone who can win the general election. Slightly fewer than half, or 46%, are somewhat confident, and 2 in 10 are not very or not at all confident. Seven in 10 Republicans say it’s extremely or very important that their process results in a nominee who can win in 2024.

“I’ve voted for Trump twice. I’ll vote for him again if I had to. I certainly would not vote for Biden,” said Joe Hill, 70, a Republican from West Point, Georgia. “But I would welcome someone new and quite frankly, I’m not confident he can win against Biden.”

Hill said he was concerned that Trump could be too polarizing with a wide swath of voters.

“I want a Republican to be elected, so I’m in favor of any Republican that would be on the ballot,” Hill said. “I would more so, if it wasn’t him.”

The poll shows neither man is viewed favorably by a majority of the U.S. public, with only 42% saying they have a favorable view of Biden and 36% saying the same of Trump.

Both are generally viewed favorably within their own party: About three-quarters of Democrats have a favorable view of Biden and about 7 in 10 Republicans have a favorable view of Trump. But Republicans are more likely to say their view of Trump is strongly favorable than Democrats are to say the same of Biden, 46% vs 34%. Democrats are more likely than Republicans are to say they have only a somewhat favorable view of their party's 2024 frontrunner, 44% vs 24%.

Josh Reed, of Pittsburg, California, said he prefers alternatives to Trump in the Republican field such as South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, or South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, who withdrew from the race last month.

But if the choice in front of voters next fall is Biden and Trump, “it’s between those two,” said Reed, 39, a registered Republican, though he says he holds more libertarian views. “There’s no third party that’s going to make a dent in anything. Sometimes it is what it is. You got to pick between those two.”

He will definitely vote next year, Reed said. But, he added: “I’m not really excited for either one of these guys.”

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The poll of 1,074 adults was conducted Nov. 30 – Dec. 4, 2023, using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, designed to represent the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
 
If it is Biden vs. Trump, I won't be voting for president again in 2024 (same as I did in 2016).

Will never vote Trump and won't vote for Biden again.

It's sad that those two are the best this country can come up with for nominees.
 
If it is Biden vs. Trump, I won't be voting for president again in 2024 (same as I did in 2016).

Will never vote Trump and won't vote for Biden again.

It's sad that those two are the best this country can come up with for nominees.
Pathetic and a joke of a take. Just vote for Trump.
 
I just purchased an authentic piece of Trump’s mugshot suit on a trading card. Christmas came early! This can only only appreciate in value I am promised!
 
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Those evil Republicans. The greatest President since Lincoln is at a 33 percent approval rating. Let that sink in


 
I don't get all the Biden hate. It's based off nothing really. He is a milquetoast personality generally.

Who is doing bad besides losers?
He is way too old. Really sad to think of him three years from now. And the VP is despised by both parties and independents.
 
Disapproving of his job is not the same as hating him. To not vote at all - with the risk of Trump gaining office - is an irrational level of hate.
Please explain how not voting risks Trump gaining office, but not Biden being reelected.

I hear that false logic every election cycle. "Not voting is a vote for X", where X is always the candidate for the other party.
 
Please explain how not voting risks Trump gaining office, but not Biden being reelected.

I hear that false logic every election cycle. "Not voting is a vote for X", where X is always the candidate for the other party.

Let's assume you would never vote for Trump, because you realize the unique threat he poses. Your only options then, are:

I will not vote
I will vote for a 3rd party candidate
I will vote for Biden

The only choice that helps keep Trump out of office is to vote for Biden. The other options do nothing to keep Trump out. If 10 million Americans who know Trump is a threat opt to not vote for Biden, that is 10 million votes closer to office Trump gets.
 
Let's assume you would never vote for Trump, because you realize the unique threat he poses. Your only options then, are:

I will not vote
I will vote for a 3rd party candidate
I will vote for Biden

The only choice that helps keep Trump out of office is to vote for Biden.
I will also never vote for Biden again......so my not voting has zero effect for both Biden and Trump.

See how that works?
 
I will also never vote for Biden again......so my not voting has zero effect for both Biden and Trump,

Read my post again. This is a mathematical/logical exercise, not subject to opinion.

If you want to keep Trump out of office, the only thing you can do to achieve your goal is to vote for Biden. If you do not vote for Biden you have not done what is necessary to keep Trump out of office. You are behaving in a manner that suggests Trump and Biden are equals.
 
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Bill Clinton?

Trump.

“With the exception of the late, great Abraham Lincoln, I can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office.”

“I think I’ve done more for the Black community than any other president, and let’s take a pass on Abraham Lincoln,”
 
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