Only if they take a picture of their hand outside of a bar.Sometimes I think HROT members need to meet in an ally and just get it over with. It's nearly impossible to share a difference in ideology.
President Biden should not run again in 2024
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Based upon? Your opinion? Or the fact that we are not in the promised recession? Or, unemployment levels are still running at or near record lows? America military rise to dominance? A sensibly driven US foreign policy?
What makes Biden the “worst” President of our life time? Weren’t you alive when Trump was POTUS?
No wars, unemployment 3.1%, border was far more secure. Economy was booning. Summer of 2019 was peak American potential. People saw what happens when a career politician wasn't in charge. Things were far better.
Don't dare mention the pandemic as his fault. Fauchi said it was going to happen back in 2017 - it was sent to disrupt momentum, and they'll do it again if the people regain control of their government.
Again, in your opinion.
Meanwhile, with artificially low bank rates and record deficit spending and a needlessly reckless tax cut, the fundamentals for inflation were being put into place.
Yet the dimwit is smarter than you are. That comment is below you as a human.
Elaborate. Use actual facts. Compare his accomplishments to the previous one. Or Obama's. Or either Bush. You have no idea what you're talking about. Our country is broken because of people like you.
Those are the facts. Biden has destroyed all progress.
This a joke right, unless you consider run away inflation, rampant crime and an uncontrolled foriegn invasion accomplishments.
Everything you just said is nonsense. Seriously, where the eff do you get this crap? You’re a lost cause. Because cult.
Two major threats to President Joe Biden’s reelection – his son Hunter’s legal problems and the widely held perception the 80-year-old is too old for reelection – are both causing him major pain this week.
Hunter Biden was indicted on federal gun charges in Delaware on Thursday, accused of lying about his past drug abuse and violating a gun law when he bought a handgun in 2018, before his father’s presidential campaign. The weapon was later abandoned behind a grocery store by Hallie Biden, the wife of Hunter’s late brother, Beau. Hallie and Hunter were having an affair at the time.
Read an annotated version of the indictment.
While Weiss has found no basis to criminally charge Hunter Biden over his foreign business dealings and no direct connection has been drawn between the son’s business interests and the father’s policy positions, House Republicans plan to dig deep as they look for more evidence during an official impeachment inquiry authorized by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy earlier this week.
Any Democrats who dismiss the effort might recall that McCarthy bragged in 2015 that the exhaustive House investigations focused on Hillary Clinton wounded her politically. At the time, he was talking about investigations into the death of a US ambassador in Benghazi, Libya, while she was secretary of state. The effort by today’s GOP to tie Biden to his son could have a similar effect.
Well more than half the country, 61%, thinks Biden had some involvement in his son’s business dealings while serving as vice president, according to a CNN poll conducted by SSRS in late August, before the gun-related indictment was handed down but after a previous plea deal fell apart. Most of those people who think the president was involved back then also think the actions were illegal.
What’s not clear is whether the Hunter Biden issues will be a motivating factor outside the group of voters who already dislike the president. His low job approval rating and concerns about the economy could ultimately be more damaging in an election.
“Biden’s age isn’t just a Fox News trope; it’s been the subject of dinner-table conversations across America this summer,” the Washington Post columnist David Ignatius wrote this week in calling for Biden to step aside ASAP to give someone else a shot at winning the 2024 election.
Just about a quarter of Americans in CNN’s poll said Biden has the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively, far from a ringing endorsement of a president who brought policy wins back from a trip to Asia last week but left the impression he was confused at a press conference.
Ignatius had enough of the president’s respect earlier this summer to get an invite to Biden’s state dinner for the Indian prime minister in June. Hunter Biden also attended.
Ignatius is among the people who effusively say Biden has been a very good president, both “successful” and “effective.”
“What I admire most about President Biden is that in a polarized nation, he has governed from the center out, as he promised in his victory speech,” Ignatius wrote, adding plaudits for Biden’s domestic accomplishments and foreign policy leadership.
But Ignatius fears another pairing of Biden with Vice President Kamala Harris “risks undoing his greatest achievement — which was stopping Trump.”
The vast majority of the Democrats interested in a Biden alternative picked “just someone besides Joe Biden.” One of the most-supported specific alternatives, Sen. Bernie Sanders, is older than Biden.
The lack of confidence in Harris to take up the mantle was evident when CNN’s Anderson Cooper talked Wednesday night to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is running for reelection to Congress but stepped away from her leadership position.
Cooper asked Pelosi if Harris was the best running mate for Biden.
“He thinks so and that’s what matters,” Pelosi said, although she did commend Harris for being “politically astute.”
Pelosi promised that Democrats are behind Biden, and she does think he’s the best candidate to beat Trump.
“He has great experience and wisdom,” Pelosi said.
CNN’s Edward-Isaac Dovere writes that the Biden campaign is plotting a long-game strategy and that aides blame the media for “what they view as validating concerns about Biden’s age and about Republican claims of Hunter Biden’s corruption by covering those concerns, despite what they argue is a lack of evidence.”
They are banking, he writes, on a data-focused emphasis on key states to turn the moveable voters away from Trump.
Biden emerged from a crowded pack four years ago. There’s little indication it would make sense for him to open the primary up, as Ignatius suggests, to some of those same people today.
Ultimately, there is an open question over what this election will be about.
If it’s about a referendum on an aging president whose fitness worries voters and who allowed his son to make millions in circumstances that raise suspicions even without evidence of wrongdoing, Biden will struggle.
That said, one of the few things voters might like less is a person who tried to overturn an election.
Hunter Biden was indicted on federal gun charges in Delaware on Thursday, accused of lying about his past drug abuse and violating a gun law when he bought a handgun in 2018, before his father’s presidential campaign. The weapon was later abandoned behind a grocery store by Hallie Biden, the wife of Hunter’s late brother, Beau. Hallie and Hunter were having an affair at the time.
Read an annotated version of the indictment.
Hunter Biden’s legal problems
That sad and sordid family drama of addiction could land the president’s son in prison, although separate investigations on tax evasion and foreign business dealings have not yet led to charges from the Delaware US attorney David Weiss, who was elevated earlier this year to special counsel to guarantee independence from the US Department of Justice.While Weiss has found no basis to criminally charge Hunter Biden over his foreign business dealings and no direct connection has been drawn between the son’s business interests and the father’s policy positions, House Republicans plan to dig deep as they look for more evidence during an official impeachment inquiry authorized by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy earlier this week.
Pushing onward with impeachment
The impeachment may never occur, and the years of investigation may not have exposed any wrongdoing by President Biden – but the inquiry will certainly keep Hunter Biden top of mind for voters who may wonder why the president would let his family operate like this.Any Democrats who dismiss the effort might recall that McCarthy bragged in 2015 that the exhaustive House investigations focused on Hillary Clinton wounded her politically. At the time, he was talking about investigations into the death of a US ambassador in Benghazi, Libya, while she was secretary of state. The effort by today’s GOP to tie Biden to his son could have a similar effect.
What Americans believe about Hunter Biden’s business
Even if there is nothing to tie President Biden to the millions of dollars Hunter Biden and other family members made from interests in China, Ukraine and elsewhere, most Americans are not convinced.Well more than half the country, 61%, thinks Biden had some involvement in his son’s business dealings while serving as vice president, according to a CNN poll conducted by SSRS in late August, before the gun-related indictment was handed down but after a previous plea deal fell apart. Most of those people who think the president was involved back then also think the actions were illegal.
What’s not clear is whether the Hunter Biden issues will be a motivating factor outside the group of voters who already dislike the president. His low job approval rating and concerns about the economy could ultimately be more damaging in an election.
The age issue will not die
The public’s perception of his relationship with his son is not even the most concerning element for Biden in the poll. That would be his age.“Biden’s age isn’t just a Fox News trope; it’s been the subject of dinner-table conversations across America this summer,” the Washington Post columnist David Ignatius wrote this week in calling for Biden to step aside ASAP to give someone else a shot at winning the 2024 election.
Just about a quarter of Americans in CNN’s poll said Biden has the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively, far from a ringing endorsement of a president who brought policy wins back from a trip to Asia last week but left the impression he was confused at a press conference.
Appetite for an alternative
Only a third of Democrats and Democratic-leaning registered voters in the poll said they think Biden should be the Democrats’ candidate in 2024. Two-thirds want a different candidate, although almost nobody knows who.Ignatius had enough of the president’s respect earlier this summer to get an invite to Biden’s state dinner for the Indian prime minister in June. Hunter Biden also attended.
Ignatius is among the people who effusively say Biden has been a very good president, both “successful” and “effective.”
“What I admire most about President Biden is that in a polarized nation, he has governed from the center out, as he promised in his victory speech,” Ignatius wrote, adding plaudits for Biden’s domestic accomplishments and foreign policy leadership.
But Ignatius fears another pairing of Biden with Vice President Kamala Harris “risks undoing his greatest achievement — which was stopping Trump.”
But who?
Among Democratic voters, the most-cited concerns with Biden are his age and the need for someone younger.The vast majority of the Democrats interested in a Biden alternative picked “just someone besides Joe Biden.” One of the most-supported specific alternatives, Sen. Bernie Sanders, is older than Biden.
The lack of confidence in Harris to take up the mantle was evident when CNN’s Anderson Cooper talked Wednesday night to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is running for reelection to Congress but stepped away from her leadership position.
Cooper asked Pelosi if Harris was the best running mate for Biden.
“He thinks so and that’s what matters,” Pelosi said, although she did commend Harris for being “politically astute.”
Pelosi promised that Democrats are behind Biden, and she does think he’s the best candidate to beat Trump.
“He has great experience and wisdom,” Pelosi said.
CNN’s Edward-Isaac Dovere writes that the Biden campaign is plotting a long-game strategy and that aides blame the media for “what they view as validating concerns about Biden’s age and about Republican claims of Hunter Biden’s corruption by covering those concerns, despite what they argue is a lack of evidence.”
They are banking, he writes, on a data-focused emphasis on key states to turn the moveable voters away from Trump.
Biden was a strong closer in 2020
He lost badly in Iowa and New Hampshire in the 2020 primary, for instance, before riding a wave of support from moderates in southern states to a dramatic upset of multiple younger candidates and those with more committed followings.Biden emerged from a crowded pack four years ago. There’s little indication it would make sense for him to open the primary up, as Ignatius suggests, to some of those same people today.
Ultimately, there is an open question over what this election will be about.
If it’s about a referendum on an aging president whose fitness worries voters and who allowed his son to make millions in circumstances that raise suspicions even without evidence of wrongdoing, Biden will struggle.
That said, one of the few things voters might like less is a person who tried to overturn an election.
There are numbers tied to these as compared to 2019, right? You are fully aware of that?
If it came from Abby it really doesn't matter as long is it's after the day he fell down and hit his head.
Biden allies worry Hunter’s indictment could strain the president’s 2024 focus
The president has even lamented aloud that he might be dead before his son’s case is resolved, according to a source close to the Bidens.
Biden allies worry Hunter indictment could strain president’s 2024 focus
The president has even lamented aloud that he might be dead before his son’s case is resolved, according to a source close to the Bidens.
I’m worried he will start WWII!Biden allies worry Hunter’s indictment could strain the president’s 2024 focus
The president has even lamented aloud that he might be dead before his son’s case is resolved, according to a source close to the Bidens.
Biden allies worry Hunter indictment could strain president’s 2024 focus
The president has even lamented aloud that he might be dead before his son’s case is resolved, according to a source close to the Bidens.www.nbcnews.com
“So, you know, we often will complain about Republicans who will say one thing about Donald Trump off the air and another on air,” he added. “Well, let me just say, Democrats, off the air, will say ‘Joe Biden’s too old. Why is he running.’ On the air? They won’t say that.”
Ignatius, a top columnist for the Post, joined a host of pundits who are calling on Biden to not seek reelection. While he cited Biden’s accomplishments while in office, he said that it is time for them to step aside, suggesting that the president’s age is a liability.
Scarborough says every Democrat he talks to privately says Biden is too old to run
MSNBC pundit Joe Scarborough said Wednesday that every Democrat he has spoken to privately believes President Biden is “too old” to run for reelection next year. During an appearance on “Morning Jo…
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The issue isn’t what Biden has done to this point. The issue is how old Biden will be at the end of his second term.
86. He will be 86 years old. He would be the oldest President in the history of the United States by a full 8 years. He has had at least two brain surgeries, one of which forced him to take a 7-month leave of absence from the Senate.
He already shows clear signs of cognitive decline, and it’s only going to get worse. What we see now is the best he is ever going to be for the next 5+ years. His mental acuity is only going to deteriorate. His stamina is only going to weaken. His occasional bouts of incoherent rambling are only going to become more frequent and more embarrassing.
More than at any other time in our lives, a vote for the President is really a vote for the Vice President. It seems very likely that Harris would at some point become the President prior to the 2028 election. And let’s be honest here - it’s not just Republicans who don’t want her in the White House. When her campaign ran out of money and folded its tent in December 2019 she was polling at 3-5%. 19 out of every 20 Democratic voters who had watched her campaign for nearly a year wanted someone else. When Biden named her as his running mate a few days before the convention, the vibe was so electric that he jumped from 44% in the polls all the way up to 45%.
I voted for Biden in 2020 and I’m glad I did. But I just don’t see that he has another 5 years left in the tank. And the thought of Kamala Harris as President concerns me. If Biden isn’t going to step aside, could he at least choose a different running mate?
You guys continue to tout Biden’s accomplishments as proof that he deserves a second term but you continue to ignore the point.
The issue isn’t what Biden has done to this point. The issue is how old Biden will be at the end of his second term.
86. He will be 86 years old. He would be the oldest President in the history of the United States by a full 8 years. He has had at least two brain surgeries, one of which forced him to take a 7-month leave of absence from the Senate.
He already shows clear signs of cognitive decline, and it’s only going to get worse. What we see now is the best he is ever going to be for the next 5+ years. His mental acuity is only going to deteriorate. His stamina is only going to weaken. His occasional bouts of incoherent rambling are only going to become more frequent and more embarrassing.
More than at any other time in our lives, a vote for the President is really a vote for the Vice President. It seems very likely that Harris would at some point become the President prior to the 2028 election. And let’s be honest here - it’s not just Republicans who don’t want her in the White House. When her campaign ran out of money and folded its tent in December 2019 she was polling at 3-5%. 19 out of every 20 Democratic voters who had watched her campaign for nearly a year wanted someone else. When Biden named her as his running mate a few days before the convention, the vibe was so electric that he jumped from 44% in the polls all the way up to 45%.
I voted for Biden in 2020 and I’m glad I did. But I just don’t see that he has another 5 years left in the tank. And the thought of Kamala Harris as President concerns me. If Biden isn’t going to step aside, could he at least choose a different running mate?
I would like to see a different choice for VP. If there's a way to make that happen it would be great.
Then Biden came in and destroyed all progress in 18 months.
You see the border today? What a dereliction of duty.
Good post. Especially the bold. I really appreciate Biden defeating Trump and was happy to vote for him. I think he’s done a pretty decent job and will be looked upon favorably if he hangs it up after one term.
On the other hand, I think history will not treat him kindly if he tries to hold on until 86.
Are there concerns about his age? Hell yes. But you people who somehow don’t think Trump is getting the Republican nomination are just out of your minds. There’s nobody a close 2nd. We cannot let Trump back in the White House. And he’s only 3-4 years younger than Joe and he’s failing as well. @hawkeyetraveler I’ll agree Whitmer is the clear choice at this point. But if it’s going to happen it probably should happen fairly soon so whoever it is can build momentum. She’s clearly my number 1 choice but I think you’re wrong on the others. Klobacher creates No excitement. Whitmer has proven she can get things done. Nobody else on your list, like it or not has the charisma that the orange turd has.
She's my top choice in 2028. President Biden is our Democracy savior candidate and we must rally behind him.
You and others keep saying that but Trump is still lapping the field against the marshmellows he's running against. Of course they're both to old. But it only matters to most people when they're talking about Biden.
