Pride unity flag in my kid's classroom! So much HBOT fodder...
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I listened to the entire song - was there something in it you objected to? Seems like a super positive message to me 🤷♂️
Religion? No. A better, more relevant, question is do you have an issue with this poster up in a classroom too?
at the end of the day, it's up to the employer
with as easily as so many people can be offended, virtually any symbol for any thing is going to upset someone
(outside of a few specific circumstances, none of which seem to apply here) if the employer wants it to come down, it comes down. if not, it stays up
i guess its up to each parent how much trauma the sight of that flag will induce and whether their children and (really, more importantly) they can withstand it
with as easily as so many people can be offended, virtually any symbol for any thing is going to upset someone
(outside of a few specific circumstances, none of which seem to apply here) if the employer wants it to come down, it comes down. if not, it stays up
i guess its up to each parent how much trauma the sight of that flag will induce and whether their children and (really, more importantly) they can withstand it
The whole message is to be yourself. This offends you how?
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No mention of white straightness, I guess? Then again there's no mention of people in triads or poly relationships, either. Or chubby chasers, short kings, ass worshippers, Pawgs, cos players, burlesque performers, brats, milfs, gilfs, bears, or a bunch of other groups. Shameful Nickelodeon dropped the ball on all these groups.
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Well I suppose it is not inclusive of people who work hard to appear to be something they are not. You know like Lindsey Graham or all the Republicans on Grindr during the convention.
Song also didn't include pedos. Maybe that's real problem.
No, the core message of Jesus is the Gospel: "I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me."
Christ loved people but that does not mean He supported their choices.
Love =/= Support
John 8 (Jesus speaks to the Pharisees about the Adulterer) - "Go and sin no more."
The question isn't about adults who have gender dysphoria it's about treating children who have gender dysphoria and about if people born male with gender dysphoria can play sports with girls/women.
There are real political issues there.
I'm kind of landing with you here. In a private school setting, parents can pull the kids out any time they want. It's also the case that parents will have a way bigger issue with it than the kids will. Heck my kid just goes to school, enjoys his friends, does the work he has to and he's fine with whatever. I'm hesitant to even mention anything to him about it because why think about it if he doesn't have to?
I am inclined to voice my opinion to school leadership that it doesn't belong in the classroom, and leave it there. I know some other parents already have. It's not as if I'm going to pull the kids out over it.
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It's important to remember that inaction can result in indoctrination, and your child won't even realize it.
Healthcare treatment for any medical issue is a medical issue, not a political issue.
Every sporting level has a governing body and should have the ability to set the standards for their level to promote fairness and safety. The NCAA has their own policy for Transgender athletes. Have you ever read them? As with most things in life, there is room for improvement and room to learn.
None of this has anything to do with the flag in the teachers classroom.
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Indoctrinated into believing everyone regardless of their differences has value and should be respected and treated kindly.
The horror.
Aaaannndd there it is...the inevitable pivot to Trump when one's argument is up in flames. It wasn't only the moneychangers in the temple that Jesus had issues with. He had stern words of warning and disapproval for various other groups that were not followers, etc.
The notion that Christ showed unconditional support to all groups, no matter what, is just false on its' face. Yet, He did love them. IMO you are misunderstanding what love actually is and making a faulty blanket statement as a result.
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The irony of your screed is that this flag is not asking for "support" for anything, just love and tolerance.
You know, like Jesus.
That is not accurate. He loved all people, yes, He did support all people though in terms of their behaviors, choices, etc.
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Jeus hung out with whores, gamblers, thieves, cripples and other "undesirables" of his time and said they deserved love and tolerance. That is the core message of Christianity. He also said regardless of their sins, if they believed in him, they would be resurrected.
At least that's what I was taught in my Catholic grad school.
You can respect and treat people kindly without a political and sexual themed flag hanging on the wall.
i'm pretty sure jesus had a very well defined system of "sin tiers"
as long as you were a sin tier 1 or 2, you were good with him
tier 3 could go either way...tiers 4 and 5 - jesus would fight you
(this is my best recollection...been a few years since my confirmation)
I just read all 4 pages of this thread, and I think I might be gay now. I caught the mental illness and I wasn’t even near a flag.
This is serious business, boyz.
This is serious business, boyz.
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You can and you should.
Never hurts to show it through symbolism though, IMO.
Same reason I have a U.S. and Iowa Hawkeye flag hanging on my property.
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If I change my avatar to the pride flag, will you change your ways and treat me kindly and with respect?
hawkeyetraveler
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You forgot the part where if you have little sin (like the top of tier 1) Jesus will bless you with many millions of dollars so you can buy private jets and stuff.
Otherwise I’m pretty sure you nailed it.
We have to see your running form before we can determine how we will treat you.
Jesus never tolerated sin as that is antithetical to His holiness and purpose. He was perfect, without sin.
His sacrifice for our sins allows for grace for the individual but does not excuse the sin. The price of sin has been and always will be death.
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Who said anything about "excusing sin?"
Jesus loved and tolerated ALL HUMAN BEINGS.
That's it. That's the point.
My view for: what about the kid who’s gay, or whose friend is gay and comes in for help and suddenly knows this teacher in a Christian school has that kid’s back?Back to school night at my kid's school, 7th grade. Private "Christian" School.
My wife attended with my 7th grader, and all the parents met in the English teacher's room, where he'd hung a flag like this one:
My take is split:
My view against: How does this help the teacher teach 7th grade English better? How is it that I learned English without ever knowing the political or social views of my teachers.
This is unprofessional and inappropriate for the classroom. IMO there's no place for this, or maga flags, etc. In schools. The exception would be if a civics/social studies teacher had multiple flags of all sorts representing many viewpoints as fodder for discussion, etc.
My view for: My kid is going to be exposed to multiple viewpoints forever, and he needs to learn to work together with people of all kinds. Middle School is a reasonable time to start expanding those views understand things from multiple perspectives. This teacher is going to share things from a perspective he won't get at home, yet we'll have a chance to field those questions that arise from whatever influence/indoctrination this teacher tries (BTW the teacher isn't gay/trans/etc. He's a white male in his 40s married with boys the same age as mine. This is just virtue signaling).
What say you HBOT? Should I speak up to the school? Say anything? Or just kind of let it play out? What would YOU do?
I went to Catholic school from grade school through high school. I’m straight but one of my favorite teachers in high school had a PFLAG sticker on his office door. (This was the 90’s so that was pretty bold at the time.) I immediately knew he was a good dude I could come to with problems that were too big for me.
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If you accompany it by no longer being an intolerant ignoramus, sure.
Empty symbloism is empty.
