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Besides leading the team in scoring Kris led the team in rebounding too at 7.9. What exactly are your expectations if 7.9 boards a game isn't good enough? 9? 10? Kid must have had a great season if people can remember the handful of lapses over a 33 game season FFS. Shame on him for not being perfect

And no Pat won't sniff the NBA but it didn't keep Fran from starting Pat and playing him more all last season. People should just be thankful Kris came back, I'm surprised we didn't hear about more problems with Fran's blatant nepotism. It's bullshit
Yea I don’t get. Murrays both should have been starting last year. I’ve never heard a good argument why they shouldn’t have been.
We always hear about balance and stuff. Well, look at our backcourt the past three years, mostly before this one. If you are going to start someone like Bohannon or Connor you have to surround either one with athletic guards, that can defend and create. When you start both of them over multiple years together, then you get iowa basketball the last three years.
 
I guess you don't know about high school. Any number of coaches on that level have had their kid starting and often winning State.
Those instances are where the kid is good. There are instances where the kid doesn’t deserve the playing time and the team knows it creating a division on the team. Unfortunately zealous parent(s) put the kid in a bad situation being a daddy coach.
 
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First team All Big 10 and 3rd team AA, clearly didn't do enough for this team.

Must defend the coaches son's and be critical of the other players. It was so cool when Connor would yell at the other players
Please show where I was defending either of his sons, or you just want to continue making shit up? For the record, yes Kris won those awards, and he's a very good player and will get drafted, as I've already said numerous times, unless you have a reading problem. That doesn't change a damn thing that being THE guy you wouldn't expect some of the games, (and it wasn't just one or two either) where he stood around and appeared not involved. Did you ever see TJD of Indiana stand around and not even try to get rebounds or take ONE sot in the second half of a game we lost by two points? I hardly think so...
 
Besides leading the team in scoring Kris led the team in rebounding too at 7.9. What exactly are your expectations if 7.9 boards a game isn't good enough? 9? 10? Kid must have had a great season if people can remember the handful of lapses over a 33 game season FFS. Shame on him for not being perfect

And no Pat won't sniff the NBA but it didn't keep Fran from starting Pat and playing him more all last season. People should just be thankful Kris came back, I'm surprised we didn't hear about more problems with Fran's blatant nepotism. It's bullshit
I'm not talking about numbers. I talking about EFFORT in numerous games down the stretch, or how about the MSU game where he looked lost and took one shot in the entire second half of a game we lost by 2 points. Do you really think thats the kind of effort you'd see from a 1st team All B1g, 3rd team AA?
 
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Those instances are where the kid is good. There are instances where the kid doesn’t deserve the playing time and the team knows it creating a division on the team. Unfortunately zealous parent(s) put the kid in a bad situation being a daddy coach.
well, you said it's always bad.
 
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I thought Kris wasn't even close to being a starter last year. He played great against Indiana and had maybe 1 other game that was good but i remember him being over his head. Not the case this year but he sure wasn't very good a couple games which is understandable. Imagine if we had Keegan on this team too! And Kris and Keegan on next year's team. Would definitely change things.
 
I guess you don't know about high school. Any number of coaches on that level have had their kid starting and often winning State.

well, you said it's always bad.
Having coached high school for almost 30 years I can assure you the coaches kids generally earn their spots,are heady, and hustle. They are generally held to a higher standard.
I do not see that with fran. Not even close.
 
I thought Kris wasn't even close to being a starter last year. He played great against Indiana and had maybe 1 other game that was good but i remember him being over his head. Not the case this year but he sure wasn't very good a couple games which is understandable. Imagine if we had Keegan on this team too! And Kris and Keegan on next year's team. Would definitely change things.
Last year, Kris was 3rd on the team in scoring, 4th in rebounding, 3rd in both 3-pointers made and 3-point %, 4th in steals, and 2nd in blocks. Seems like the stats of someone who should have been at least close to being a starter to me.

As a junior, Kris was first-team all-B1G and third-team All-American. As a sophomore, he wasn’t good enough to start. As a freshman, he wasn’t good enough to even be in the rotation. Is that kind of trajectory possible for a college basketball player? Absolutely. Is it common? Not particularly.

For that matter, as a sophomore, Keegan was first-team all-B1G, first-team All-American, and the fourth overall pick in the NBA draft (where he has flourished as a rookie). But as a freshman, he wasn’t good enough to crack our starting lineup. Again, a career trajectory that is certainly possible. But common? I’m not so sure.
 
Please show where I was defending either of his sons, or you just want to continue making shit up? For the record, yes Kris won those awards, and he's a very good player and will get drafted, as I've already said numerous times, unless you have a reading problem. That doesn't change a damn thing that being THE guy you wouldn't expect some of the games, (and it wasn't just one or two either) where he stood around and appeared not involved. Did you ever see TJD of Indiana stand around and not even try to get rebounds or take ONE sot in the second half of a game we lost by two points? I hardly think so...
actually, who cares what you think, it is a broken record. must defend the coaches all the time. you are a loser. gfy
have you watched all the indiana games to make the assessment? you are beyond a joke

Kris was lower rated than Connor and Patrick, shouldn't they have been THE guy? How many games did they not play their best? no expectations for them.

talking about making stuff up, you are the most clueless poster on here
 
I'm not talking about numbers. I talking about EFFORT in numerous games down the stretch, or how about the MSU game where he looked lost and took one shot in the entire second half of a game we lost by 2 points. Do you really think thats the kind of effort you'd see from a 1st team All B1g, 3rd team AA?
Stupidest post of the day, you are so dumb. glad you are the self proclaimed expert on EFFORT.

Guessing some effort was put forth to be All Big 10 and 3rd team AA, but, we all defer to your brilliance.

Imagine coming onto a message board and complaining about the 1 good player on the team, obviously that player was the problem. Good thing the coaches son was yelling at that player
 
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Stupidest post of the day, you are so dumb. glad you are the self proclaimed expert on EFFORT.

Guessing some effort was put forth to be All Big 10 and 3rd team AA, but, we all defer to your brilliance.

Imagine coming onto a message board and complaining about the 1 good player on the team, obviously that player was the problem. Good thing the coaches son was yelling at that player
Dude ,seek help seriously. Your making up shit that was never said, (at all), and very little of your statement is what I said. Not once did I say that the Mac boys were beyond being called out, nor was I one of just a few people who have questioned Kris's effort in some games. Its obvious. Also if you cant understand that expectations of players change as their careers advance then there's no reason to even continue with this.
 
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I don't think everyone needs to make more out of this than what it is. When you look at the limitations of this team; not having any rim protection at all, nobody that can take a defender off the dribble 1-on-1, no competent on-ball defender and lets be honest here, a lack of athletes, this team was always going to go as far as their shooting was going to take them. It took them to the NCAA tournament, which is really hard to do, but then got beat by a deeper and more physical team, on the road mind you. I don't think anyone who knows anything about basketball and that has watched this team expected us to shoot well and we didn't. Thank you for a good season and giving us a reason to watch.

Keep in mind also that Fran really had 7 guys to play. And of the 7, Rebraca is really a true 4, Kris a 3, Tony is a 2, Sandfort a 3, Connor a 3, Patrick a 3 and Ulis you could say is a 1, but a very weak 1. It would have been nice if Bowen had developed at all but he didn't. Dix played like a 3 and wasn't as good or experienced as the other 3's. Ogundele is a 5, but, not a very good player. Some of that is on Fran, recruiting is always on the head coach. But there are things out of his control too and Nunge especially would have a been a huge piece both this year and last year. Joe T would have provided minutes as he would have been the most athletic guard we had and best on-ball defender. A healthy CJ was an under-rated defender and could shoot. Wish we had those guys because in a tournament setting against teams you have never seen before, you need to have quality depth and versatility to match up with a wide array of roster combinations. We didn't have that, didn't have it all season and that is why we could really only win 1 way and 1 way only.
 
Last year, Kris was 3rd on the team in scoring, 4th in rebounding, 3rd in both 3-pointers made and 3-point %, 4th in steals, and 2nd in blocks. Seems like the stats of someone who should have been at least close to being a starter to me.

As a junior, Kris was first-team all-B1G and third-team All-American. As a sophomore, he wasn’t good enough to start. As a freshman, he wasn’t good enough to even be in the rotation. Is that kind of trajectory possible for a college basketball player? Absolutely. Is it common? Not particularly.

For that matter, as a sophomore, Keegan was first-team all-B1G, first-team All-American, and the fourth overall pick in the NBA draft (where he has flourished as a rookie). But as a freshman, he wasn’t good enough to crack our starting lineup. Again, a career trajectory that is certainly possible. But common? I’m not so sure.
I respect his stats but played to out of control for me. Was the perfect 6th man imo. I could be wrong. I thought Keegan was perfect as a 6th man as a freshman. Again just my opinion. If i was coaching i might have had Keegan starting at 4 and Kris starting at 3. Keegan seemed like a better defender last year but they could have been interchangeable. Keegan was a better 1 on 1 player last year so stretching the 4 made sense to me. Kris did have some good stats though. I think both should have been 1st off the bench in the years they didn't start but don't think they were. Sometimes practice is fine for line-up choices but in game stats should really count for something.
 
I think Fran's '2 Foul Jail' is nearly as big a wedge maker in any team cracks as his sons' playing time.

How many times in the past 2 years did Kris (or anyone else) pick up an early 2 fouls - rightfully or not - and was left to rot on the bench until after halftime?

Way too many.
You gotta be phuquin' kidding me, right?
Fran's 2 Foul Jail is a big detriment I feel.

Imagine you're playing on this team. You want to go out and play hard aggressive defense. Then at the 15 minute mark you get tagged on 2 quick fouls. And you sit til the second half and end up with 19 minutes total.

Are you going to go out and play hard aggressive defense the next game?
 
I don't think everyone needs to make more out of this than what it is. When you look at the limitations of this team; not having any rim protection at all, nobody that can take a defender off the dribble 1-on-1, no competent on-ball defender and lets be honest here, a lack of athletes, this team was always going to go as far as their shooting was going to take them. It took them to the NCAA tournament, which is really hard to do, but then got beat by a deeper and more physical team, on the road mind you. I don't think anyone who knows anything about basketball and that has watched this team expected us to shoot well and we didn't. Thank you for a good season and giving us a reason to watch.

Keep in mind also that Fran really had 7 guys to play. And of the 7, Rebraca is really a true 4, Kris a 3, Tony is a 2, Sandfort a 3, Connor a 3, Patrick a 3 and Ulis you could say is a 1, but a very weak 1. It would have been nice if Bowen had developed at all but he didn't. Dix played like a 3 and wasn't as good or experienced as the other 3's. Ogundele is a 5, but, not a very good player. Some of that is on Fran, recruiting is always on the head coach. But there are things out of his control too and Nunge especially would have a been a huge piece both this year and last year. Joe T would have provided minutes as he would have been the most athletic guard we had and best on-ball defender. A healthy CJ was an under-rated defender and could shoot. Wish we had those guys because in a tournament setting against teams you have never seen before, you need to have quality depth and versatility to match up with a wide array of roster combinations. We didn't have that, didn't have it all season and that is why we could really only win 1 way and 1 way only.

Kris is a prototype 4. Rebraca is 5 because he cant shoot. Maybe if you had a stretch 5, but i also dont want Rebraca guarding the perimeter vs guys like Hauser. Hes just a shorter 5 who was still plenty productive in his role.
 
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They were too busy watching their head coach whine, cry, and stare down the officials when he doesn’t like a call instead of coaching them up.
Heard on a podcast that one of the hosts is a buddy with a former high level college basketball player who keeps tabs on a lot of different teams around the country, including Iowa, watching them a d breaking them down from a player's perspective based on what he sees from his own experience.

He said two things stuck out to him watching Iowa...............

- they refused to hustle back on defense as a team

- he hasn't seen another team of players, not coaches, but players this season that complained after calls more than Iowa did.

That all goes back to Fran......
 
Heard on a podcast that one of the hosts is a buddy with a former high level college basketball player who keeps tabs on a lot of different teams around the country, including Iowa, watching them a d breaking them down from a player's perspective based on what he sees from his own experience.

He said two things stuck out to him watching Iowa...............

- they refused to hustle back on defense as a team

- he hasn't seen another team of players, not coaches, but players this season that complained after calls more than Iowa did.

That all goes back to Fran......
Well, we saw plenty of both this year in Iowa games and agreed this is on McCaffery.
 
Heard on a podcast that one of the hosts is a buddy with a former high level college basketball player who keeps tabs on a lot of different teams around the country, including Iowa, watching them a d breaking them down from a player's perspective based on what he sees from his own experience.

He said two things stuck out to him watching Iowa...............

- they refused to hustle back on defense as a team

- he hasn't seen another team of players, not coaches, but players this season that complained after calls more than Iowa did.

That all goes back to Fran......
That's great insight. What's the name of the podcast?
 
Fran's 2 Foul Jail is a big detriment I feel.

Imagine you're playing on this team. You want to go out and play hard aggressive defense. Then at the 15 minute mark you get tagged on 2 quick fouls. And you sit til the second half and end up with 19 minutes total.

Are you going to go out and play hard aggressive defense the next game?
If you wanna play, you better. Goddamn, Fran ain’t the only guy who does this.
 
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If I am Bowen, I would be pissed with how I was handled- given he showed to practice everyday and played hard. Too much talent to sit for the entire second half of the season basically.

Yes and No.... He had some great flashes of his ability, but boy he had some really bad stretches too.

The team was fighting for an NCAA birth, so I don't mind limiting his minutes.

Hopefully talks of any Portal action for him are just wild speculation, as you can see the talent he has, just needs to develop
 
Heard on a podcast that one of the hosts is a buddy with a former high level college basketball player who keeps tabs on a lot of different teams around the country, including Iowa, watching them a d breaking them down from a player's perspective based on what he sees from his own experience.

He said two things stuck out to him watching Iowa...............

- they refused to hustle back on defense as a team

- he hasn't seen another team of players, not coaches, but players this season that complained after calls more than Iowa did.

That all goes back to Fran......
Now you’re just being a nit picker.
 
Last year, Kris was 3rd on the team in scoring, 4th in rebounding, 3rd in both 3-pointers made and 3-point %, 4th in steals, and 2nd in blocks. Seems like the stats of someone who should have been at least close to being a starter to me.

As a junior, Kris was first-team all-B1G and third-team All-American. As a sophomore, he wasn’t good enough to start. As a freshman, he wasn’t good enough to even be in the rotation. Is that kind of trajectory possible for a college basketball player? Absolutely. Is it common? Not particularly.

For that matter, as a sophomore, Keegan was first-team all-B1G, first-team All-American, and the fourth overall pick in the NBA draft (where he has flourished as a rookie). But as a freshman, he wasn’t good enough to crack our starting lineup. Again, a career trajectory that is certainly possible. But common? I’m not so sure.
Well put, great timeline about 2 of Frans most egregious coaching blunders
 
I don't think everyone needs to make more out of this than what it is. When you look at the limitations of this team; not having any rim protection at all, nobody that can take a defender off the dribble 1-on-1, no competent on-ball defender and lets be honest here, a lack of athletes, this team was always going to go as far as their shooting was going to take them. It took them to the NCAA tournament, which is really hard to do, but then got beat by a deeper and more physical team, on the road mind you. I don't think anyone who knows anything about basketball and that has watched this team expected us to shoot well and we didn't. Thank you for a good season and giving us a reason to watch.

Keep in mind also that Fran really had 7 guys to play. And of the 7, Rebraca is really a true 4, Kris a 3, Tony is a 2, Sandfort a 3, Connor a 3, Patrick a 3 and Ulis you could say is a 1, but a very weak 1. It would have been nice if Bowen had developed at all but he didn't. Dix played like a 3 and wasn't as good or experienced as the other 3's. Ogundele is a 5, but, not a very good player. Some of that is on Fran, recruiting is always on the head coach. But there are things out of his control too and Nunge especially would have a been a huge piece both this year and last year. Joe T would have provided minutes as he would have been the most athletic guard we had and best on-ball defender. A healthy CJ was an under-rated defender and could shoot. Wish we had those guys because in a tournament setting against teams you have never seen before, you need to have quality depth and versatility to match up with a wide array of roster combinations. We didn't have that, didn't have it all season and that is why we could really only win 1 way and 1 way only.
Maybe more truth in this post than the rest of the thread, which was searching for excuses why we lost games. The personnel on this team, especially the lack of depth inside, was not a championship team, yet they came close to finishing second in the B1G after an 0-3 start. If there was a controversy, it could have been the minutes Patrick was getting the last couple of weeks of the season. He had a couple of spurts on offense, but otherwise, should not have been on the court for more than a few minutes per half.
 
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If you wanna play, you better. Goddamn, Fran ain’t the only guy who does this.
I think I saw somewhere where Fran is in the 99th percentile in ‘2 foul minutes played in 1h’.

so unless I’m wrong, this means Fran is the most inflexible coach in NCAA, 2m standard deviations from the mean,

or just about where is defense in big ten is, dead last.
 
Yes and No.... He had some great flashes of his ability, but boy he had some really bad stretches too.

The team was fighting for an NCAA birth, so I don't mind limiting his minutes.

Hopefully talks of any Portal action for him are just wild speculation, as you can see the talent he has, just needs to develop
I understand your post but think it was a miss on Fran's part to put all of the teams eggs in the Conner basket. Of course Bowen will have some mistakes as most Fr. do, but he was one of the few on the team that could match or beat other teams physically.
 
Fran's 2 Foul Jail is a big detriment I feel.

Imagine you're playing on this team. You want to go out and play hard aggressive defense. Then at the 15 minute mark you get tagged on 2 quick fouls. And you sit til the second half and end up with 19 minutes total.

Are you going to go out and play hard aggressive defense the next game?
Michigan State and Izzo play pretty aggressive defense, yes? Izzo pretty much implements the same 2 foul rule.
 
Fran's 2 Foul Jail is a big detriment I feel.

Imagine you're playing on this team. You want to go out and play hard aggressive defense. Then at the 15 minute mark you get tagged on 2 quick fouls. And you sit til the second half and end up with 19 minutes total.

Are you going to go out and play hard aggressive defense the next game?
I completely agree with you and I will go further to say that Fran's philosophy of not fouling is a really big detriment within itself. Prime example is Michigan St. vs. Marquette, look at the box score:

MSU shot 24-54 overall (44.4%) and 2-16 from 3 (12.5%). They committed 19 total fouls in the game.

Offensive rebounds, total rebounds, turnovers and assists were all fairly even and no huge advantage there. MSU shot 2 more shots and 9 more free throws and win the game by 9.

Marquette shot 11-27 from 3 for 40.7% and held a +27 in 3 point shots. Yet they only scored 60 points.

MSU won on a day they couldn't shoot by mugging the shit out of Marquette, fouling the shit out of them, getting away with some of them and getting called for some of them, and overall just slowing the game down and taking Marquette out of any rhythm, all while dragging them down in the mud with them. Now this is the stat that shows how deliberate it was: MSU fouled 19 times while Marquette fouled 18 times, yet, MSU went to the line 23 times to 14 for Marquette. I can guarantee you what the plan of attack was. Hand check them, reach, grab and be overly aggressive on screens, do whatever you have to do, especially deeper in the shot clock. Reason why is that for a rhythm team like Marquette (or Iowa) you can make them reset their offense with single digits on the play clock and that is a killer for them. You get 6 fouls each half that you can do this with before it is a one and one. But don't foul shooters, don't put them at the line. You then limit possessions by slowing things down on offense and those 12 possessions that you disrupted with aggressive fouls, not counting the ones that you maybe got away with, loom large at the end.

And that is the last point. For a team like Iowa that does not hand check, reach or grab, it is so obvious when they do and they get called for it most if not all of the time. So Iowa has to earn everything the hard way. Now a team like MSU, Auburn or the rest of these teams that are still in the tournament, they get called for more fouls but they get away with so much more than that. If you judged those teams by the Iowa standard of foul they probably commit 40-50 fouls a game, but, no referee crew is ever going to call that. So what the refs do is they call fouls relative to the team and not relative to the rules. Of course it is not fair, but, that is the way it is. You have to hand it to a coach like Izzo for taking advantage of that, it is only smart.
 
I think I saw somewhere where Fran is in the 99th percentile in ‘2 foul minutes played in 1h’.

so unless I’m wrong, this means Fran is the most inflexible coach in NCAA, 2m standard deviations from the mean,

or just about where is defense in big ten is, dead last.
I do not mind the two foul first half rule. I mind not having legitimate depth to back them up in the game.
 
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Internal conflict and dysfunction are unfortunately the norms in higher levels of organized athletics. If there were no locker room troubles, it would be a relatively rare college athletic experience.
 
I do not mind the two foul first half rule. I mind not having legitimate depth to back them up in the game.
It’s what strict inflexibility to the 2 foul rule does, it creates players that do not play aggressive defense.

with a Fran there is no possibility of parole, in the 99th percentile, for 2 foul 1st half usage.

conversely, players know they can play super soft Defense, and maximize their minutes played

its an absolute no brainer for a kid at Iowa to not play aggressive D, regardless of athleticism
 
It’s what strict inflexibility to the 2 foul rule does, it creates players that do not play aggressive defense.

Fran's teams don't play aggressive defense primarily because they are coached not to foul,.. This mindset affects every player on the floor, no matter their current foul count...
 
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