Propublica - A Texas Woman Died After the Hospital Said It Would be a “Crime” to Intervene in Her Miscarriage

[HawkInDC]

I wonder if the governor or legislature could be held liable for her death.

In a hypothetical where the law was not in place, the hospital that refused care would most definitely be guilty of malpractice.

In this case:
- the legislature acted willfully to prevent her care by voting affirmatively for the law and the governor for signing it.
- They would have had knowledge that this was a plausible outcome due to testimony during the legislative process

I don't know enough about the the law to say if it would meet a criminal threshold, but seems like at least a civil case.

 

[gohawks50]

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Hopefully she's in bliss right now. She wouldn't want to come back here.

Then you should pray for your own death.

 

[markfromj]

I heard this earlier today. How can any responsible doctor or medical facility allow this to occur? Law or not….. Don’t physicians take an oathe to practice medicine? Personal integrity should override a bad law…. And a hospital should insist good medicine be practiced in their facility by their doctors!

This. It’s going to take a Doctor to say “F the law, I’m going to do what’s right”, then call the State’s bluff.

 

[theiacowtipper]

It really blows that this happened.

You don’t get to say this. Anti-abortion policies that people like you support led to this woman’s death. You don’t get to express condolences for her death. Politicians who hold similar views to yours killed her.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Do you and @BelemNole believe there should be ANY limits on abortion?

Are late term abortions fine with you even if they happen for any reason?

You should personally thank every pro "life" POS for these dead women.

Late term abortions don't happen outside of medical necessity. These are women who WANTED their child and often leave their other children without a mother if they die. If you want the government involved in this, you're a fuqqin' moron.

 

[tumorboy]

You don’t get to say this. Anti-abortion policies that people like you support led to this woman’s death. You don’t get to express condolences for her death. Politicians who hold similar views to yours killed her.

She’s only collateral damage in the holy war to save as many babies as possible. Her death served the greater good for God’s glory. —— That’s the thought process. Not much different than any cult that believes the ends always justify the means. The goal is sooooo great. Eternal salvation. That a few less than moral choices can be excused.

 

[Tom Paris]

Do you and @BelemNole believe there should be ANY limits on abortion?

Are late term abortions fine with you even if they happen for any reason?

Stop with this bullshit. You sound like a ridiculous MAGA member of Congress asking this gotcha question. You're asking about something that isn't a real thing, like fairies and unicorns. It's insulting to women.

 

[Tom Paris]

"Late term abortion" is a buzz phrase for right wingers. It's meant to illicit an emotional response. The reality is third term abortions represent less than 1 percent of all abortions. In nearly every "late term" abortion, mothers are expecting to carry it to term. By then names are picked out. Baby rooms are painted blue or pink. Cribs and playpens have already been assembled. Families then get the worst medical news of their life and they're forced to make an impossible decision.

And yes, I'd rather have women along with their families making those decisions. Not a politician.

Yep. At least they replaced "partial birth abortions". Though Trump says democrats are for after birth abortions...

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Yep. At least they replaced "partial birth abortions". Though Trump says democrats are for after birth abortions...

In his case, I am.

 

[nelly02]

Do you and @BelemNole believe there should be ANY limits on abortion?

Are late term abortions fine with you even if they happen for any reason?

What are your thoughts on organ donation? No one seems to care that if John Smith is going to die and says he doesn't want to donate his organs and then little Jimmy who could have lived if he had been able to get one of his organs also dies that seems to be totally fine in the eyes of society. So a person who is dead basically has more bodily autonomy than a woman. Why is this? I'm curious what your thoughts as a religious person are.

 

[nelly02]

That's true.

It's ghastly.

And that's why Harris supports them. She knows the reason they are needed and why they are happening and wants women to have access to them if needed. Yet you are here calling her a radical because you think she's for just wily nilly killing babies. It's not true and you need to knock off that narrative.

 

[markfromj]

I wonder if the governor or legislature could be held liable for her death.

Thankfully, not a chance. They were acting within the authority granted them by the people of Texas. No liability. (Otherwise, every Texan would be liable.)

 

[Joes Place]

Catholic Ireland?

Yes.

it is a majority Catholic country.
Which voted, outright, to eliminate fetal heartbeat bills.

 

[Joes Place]

This. It’s going to take a Doctor to say “F the law, I’m going to do what’s right”, then call the State’s bluff.

FUNFACT: Doctors mostly just want to care for their patients, and not get involved in protracted legal cases where they might go to jail, lose their livelihood, etc.

 

[BrianNole777]

What are your thoughts on organ donation? No one seems to care that if John Smith is going to die and says he doesn't want to donate his organs and then little Jimmy who could have lived if he had been able to get one of his organs also dies that seems to be totally fine in the eyes of society. So a person who is dead basically has more bodily autonomy than a woman. Why is this? I'm curious what your thoughts as a religious person are.

I'm all in favor of organ donation. I'm an organ donor myself.

I'm against abortion because it's killing an innocent life.

96% of abortions are done for convenience reasons like the Mother doesn't want to pay for raising a child.

Abortions done to save the life of the Mother or because of rape are a tiny percentage.

Fact Sheet: Reasons for Abortion - Lozier Institute

Originally published on August 17, 2022, this fact sheet was updated on January 14, 2023, and again on May 24, 2024. After the Supreme Court ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, states across the country have enacted laws that limit abortion. Frequently, these state laws make...

lozierinstitute.org

 

[BrianNole777]

Yes.

it is a majority Catholic country.
Which voted, outright, to eliminate fetal heartbeat bills.

Ireland is an atheist country now, just like the United States.

 

[Tom Paris]

I'm all in favor of organ donation. I'm an organ donor myself.

I'm against abortion because it's killing an innocent life.

96% of abortions are done for convenience reasons like the Mother doesn't want to pay for raising a child.

Abortions done to save the life of the Mother or because of rape are a tiny percentage.

Fact Sheet: Reasons for Abortion - Lozier Institute

Originally published on August 17, 2022, this fact sheet was updated on January 14, 2023, and again on May 24, 2024. After the Supreme Court ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, states across the country have enacted laws that limit abortion. Frequently, these state laws make...

lozierinstitute.org

You're a misogynist. Any man who thinks they should have more rights than women is one. I bet Jesus wasn't.

 

[BrianNole777]

You're a misogynist. Any man who thinks they should have more rights than women is one. I bet Jesus wasn't.

Lol nope.

Awful comparison.

The pro-abortion side isn't good with logic. No offense.

 

[LunchBox50]

God lets the silliest things happen. What a rascal!

You thought God was an architect
Now you know
He's something like a pipe bomb
Ready to blow

-Jason Isbell, "24 Frames"

 

[gohawks50]

I'm against abortion because it's killing an innocent life.

By your logic earlier in the thread those innocent lives are in eternal bliss right now and wouldn't want to come back here anyway.

 

[Tom Paris]

Lol nope.

Awful comparison.

The pro-abortion side isn't good with logic. No offense.

Facts and you just don't like it. You forced birth people pretend you care about life. You're a fraud.

 

[BrianNole777]

By your logic earlier in the thread those innocent lives are in eternal bliss right now and wouldn't want to come back here anyway.

Dead babies?

It's hard to know what happens to them. I hope they're in bliss.

Here's a long article.

Q. Do Unborn Babies Go to Heaven? - Catholic Q&A

A. This question takes on deep personal significance for those parents who have lost a child in one of these ways....

mycatholic.life

 

[BrianNole777]

Facts and you just don't like it. You forced birth people pretend you care about life. You're a fraud.

I care about life.

That's why I think abortion is wrong; it's killing life by the millions... 96% of the time for convenience reasons.

 

[gohawks50]

Dead babies?

It's hard to know what happens to them. I hope they're in bliss.

Here's a long article.

Q. Do Unborn Babies Go to Heaven? - Catholic Q&A

A. This question takes on deep personal significance for those parents who have lost a child in one of these ways....

mycatholic.life

I wondered if you held the belief that babies needed to be baptized to go to heaven.

It's really hard for me to wrap my head around a loving God that wouldn't allow an innocent life into heaven because they didn't go through some ritual.

 

[Joes Place]

Ireland is an atheist country now, just like the United States.

FUNFACT: The Old Testament has a "formula" for abortions in it. Literally, "the will of God" there...

 

[TC Nole OX]

Texas is a very backwards S hole

 

[BrianNole777]

FUNFACT: The Old Testament has a "formula" for abortions in it. Literally, "the will of God" there...

I'm more of a New Testament guy myself.

 

[joelbc1]

Catholic Ireland? Lol. Just say Ireland, turd.

Not to be confused with Northern Ireland…there is a difference.

 

[BrianNole777]

I wondered if you held the belief that babies needed to be baptized to go to heaven.

It's really hard for me to wrap my head around a loving God that wouldn't allow an innocent life into heaven because they didn't go through some ritual.

Aborted fetuses in the womb can't be baptized obviously since they weren't born yet.

I hope and pray they're all in bliss.

 

[gohawks50]

Aborted fetuses in the womb can't be baptized obviously since they weren't born yet.

I hope and pray they're all in bliss.

There are babies that die all around the world that are not baptized. Why would God punish all their souls when they had no choice in whether they were baptized or not? How is that loving?

 

[BrianNole777]

There are babies that die all around the world that are not baptized. Why would God punish all their souls when they had no choice in whether they were baptized or not? How is that loving?

I don't think He would at all. I think they are all likely in bliss.

 

[jasonrann]

Texas gonna Texas.

 

[Joes Place]

Aborted fetuses in the womb can't be baptized obviously since they weren't born yet.

Why does God let all those miscarriages end up in the emptiness of purgatory, then?

Your God is kind of an asshole.

 

[BrianNole777]

Why does God let all those miscarriages end up in the emptiness of purgatory, then?

I don't know where they end up.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I care about life.

That's why I think abortion is wrong; it's killing life by the millions... 96% of the time for convenience reasons.

You and your ilk obviously show you don’t. And if you REALLY did, you’d leave the government out of this, which is only needlessly killing innocent mothers. Sorry, but it’s a back asswards way of “caring” about life. Your religion doesn’t get to dictate other faiths (Judaism etc.) that don’t define life in your narrow way. Especially when that life is wholly dependent on the body of its host.

 

[BrianNole777]

You and your ilk obviously show you don’t. And if you REALLY did, you’d leave the government out of this, which is only needlessly killing innocent mothers. Sorry, but it’s a back asswards way of “caring” about life. Your religion doesn’t get to dictate other faiths (Judaism etc.) that don’t define life in your narrow way. Especially when that life is wholly dependent on the body of its host.

I prefer looking at the data; killing millions of unborn children for convenience reasons seems obviously wrong.

Obviously, I'm in the minority here.

 

[markfromj]

FUNFACT: Doctors mostly just want to care for their patients, and not get involved in protracted legal cases where they might go to jail, lose their livelihood, etc.

Yup. It always takes someone willing to lose everything to get this kind of wrong righted.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

I prefer looking at the data; killing millions of unborn embryos or fetuses for convenience reasons seems obviously wrong.

Obviously, I'm in the minority here.

FIFY, because you obviously want to conflate the two.

 

[Joes Place]

Yup. It always takes someone willing to lose everything to get this kind of wrong righted.

OR, people voting the religious right out of power, to pass sane laws so it won't happen anymore.