You nailed it, they wanted to make a point and the mother's life was worth losing for them to make their pathetic point.
Propublica - A Texas Woman Died After the Hospital Said It Would be a “Crime” to Intervene in Her Miscarriage
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Yep
This is what the Religious Right are doing, to get their "abortion bans" in place.
They are, indeed, pathetic.
Funny how pro lifers can't explain what a doctor should do. I have reviewed the law and present you this scenario. A woman comes in with a 16 week old baby. Her membranes are ruptured. This means the following:
1. Here baby is non-viable. Earliest acceptable survival is 24 weeks. This baby is 16 weeks. It has an absolute zero chance of survival with ruptured membranes. It will never grow normal lungs.
2. The baby has a detectable heartbeat. It's alive by Texas law.
3. Persistence of this condition will likely result in a bacterial infection over the next few hours to days. If somehow that miraculously doesn't happen right away, then it will eventually happen as the fetus rots inside her uterus.
4. Patient presents to the ER. She's 100% normal. No bleeding, no fever, all her labs are completely normal, psychologically she is calm and accepted that she lost her pregnancy.
Now you prolife dipsticks tell me. Is this a medical emergency? Patient is doing completely fine right now. In hours to days she's going to have life threatening bleeding and life threatening sepsis. So what's my next move?
1. Perform an abortion on her right now and leave it to some Texas Bible Thumper judge to strike me down with God's will for doing an illegal abortion. This costs my my medical license, my opportunity to earn a living, feed my family, and practice my craft. I'll probably be jailed. If anything, I'll have threats of being assassinated by your kind.
2. Wait until she gets sick, the I clearly perform a legal abortion in the state of Texas. She's septic, febrile, in the ICU so I get the go ahead based on the law. Too late, the lady doesn't recover and dies of septic complications.
WHAT'S SO CLEAR ABOUT THIS EXCEPTION?????
AAPROHIBITED ABORTION OF UNBORN CHILD WITH
DETECTABLE FETAL HEARTBEAT; EFFECT. (a)AAExcept as provided by
Section 171.205, a physician may not knowingly perform or induce an
abortion on a pregnant woman if the physician detected a fetal
heartbeat for the unborn child as required by Section 171.203 or
failed to perform a test to detect a fetal heartbeat.
(b)AAA physician does not violate this section if the
physician performed a test for a fetal heartbeat as required by
Section 171.203 and did not detect a fetal heartbeat.
(c)AAThis section does not affect:
(1)AAthe provisions of this chapter that restrict or
regulate an abortion by a particular method or during a particular
stage of pregnancy; or
(2)AAany other provision of state law that regulates or
prohibits abortion.
Sec.A171.205.AAEXCEPTION FOR MEDICAL EMERGENCY; RECORDS.
(a)AASections 171.203 and 171.204 do not apply if a physician
believes a medical emergency exists that prevents compliance with
this subchapter.
(b)AAA physician who performs or induces an abortion under
Here's the thing, they don't care. Women are just chattel.
Totally wrong. That's not what the law says and is open to interpretation. What is an emergency? I am shot in the stomach. If stable, you can take the patient to the CT scan to assess the injuries before surgery. Is that an emergency, because if I am shot in the stomach and bleeding to death then you straight to the OR. Which one is the emergency again?
Just the opposite Schmo, the medical community is the ones who caused this woman's death.
And there are probably 100 or more other medical scenarios where the woman's life is not "immediately" in jeopardy, but it either will be - with nearly 100% probability - over time, or will have a very high likelihood of occurring.
When the abortion absolutely WILL prevent those complications from happening, but due to God Squad "legislation" an ObGyn is unable to provide what is currently considered "standard of care".
Wait, is it a 16 week old baby, or is she 16 weeks pregnant? Cause I thought they weren't babies until they were born.
16 week fetus.... I don't care what you call it. You seem like you care not to answer the scenario.
If you truly believe a "fetus" is a "baby", try replacing "baby" in all the contemporary music with "fetus" and see what that sounds like...
That’s not true, but o do believe medically necessary abortion should always be legal
Try telling a mother who had a miscarriage that she didn't lose "the baby", tell her and the father you're sorry they lost the "fetus" and prepare to get your ass kicked.
At # 3 of your hypo the case falls under the exception. The doc just needs to make sure he documents everything, which he likely will.
Common sense does not remotely come in to play here.
The statutes state what is legal; unless someone is in critical condition, physicians cannot do anything w/o violating the law.
This is why that 18 yr old was turned away by 3 ERs; her condition was "stable", so she had to wait until it became "unstable".
And, as has been noted for you, when someone miscarries, things can go downhill within a few hours; once they go septic, the probabilities say many of them are going to die because there are not a lot of things doctors can do once sepsis sets in.
The entire point of earlier abortions is to PREVENT those serious complications from occurring.
And now that Trump and the GOP are back in charge, no state measure or Constitution is safe - they can push for a nationwide ban which will eliminate those local protections.
Yes; it absolutely implies that.
It's why ERs turned that woman away, because her condition was stable.
There will be dozens, if not hundreds more horror stories of women with delayed care who will suffer serious medical consequences or die from these policies.
Implication is irrelevant. The plain language of the statute matters. And the patient fit the exception’s plain language. Now, I’m done repeating myself. Have a nice four years. I know I will.
3 different ERs followed "the plain language" of the statute.
Now, that girl is dead.
I look forward to the confused pikachu faces on all these defenders of the unborn when there are no OB/GYNs in their states anymore and their infant mortality rates spike thru the roof.
You want your women and children to die unnecessarily? Fine.
You want your women and children to die unnecessarily? Fine.
I guess they can’t speak or read English very well. Her blood is on their incompetence.
