I'm not personally in favor of abortion. I just don't think the government should be making the decision for others. I agree with Hillary, abortion should be safe, legal, and hopefully rare.
Propublica - A Texas Woman Died After the Hospital Said It Would be a “Crime” to Intervene in Her Miscarriage
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Unfortunately, abortion isn't rare in America. 600,000-1,000,000 a year since 2010.
96% done for convenience reasons.
Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia
So, sovereign authority(just researched that term) protects them. An important concept, I agree.
The constitutionality of the law is immediately called into question given that it led to the death of an individual. "right to life"
Abbott and Paxton are both thinking about running for POTUS. They would both love to prosecute a medical professional in order to establish their pro life credentials.
You don't know those abortions were done for convenience reasons just because they weren't medically necessary.Unfortunately, abortion isn't rare in America. 600,000-1,000,000 a year since 2010.
96% done for convenience reasons.
Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia
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IIRC, a Texas judge/court allowed permission for a woman miscarrying to have an abortion "outside" the current laws in Texas - something she actually had to petition for.
Paxton disagreed with their ruling and claimed he was going to prosecute, anyway.
The full on hypocrisy of the pro life movement is on display. This case revolves around a miscarriage. They could have saved the woman, but instead they left a kid without a mom.
I was more looking for your take on why it seems ok in today's society to not donate organs and how that sits with your pro life views. It isn't a surprise you are for organ donation I would be surprised if you weren't.I'm all in favor of organ donation. I'm an organ donor myself.
I'm against abortion because it's killing an innocent life.
96% of abortions are done for convenience reasons like the Mother doesn't want to pay for raising a child.
Abortions done to save the life of the Mother or because of rape are a tiny percentage.
Fact Sheet: Reasons for Abortion - Lozier Institute
Originally published on August 17, 2022, this fact sheet was updated on January 14, 2023, and again on May 24, 2024. After the Supreme Court ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, states across the country have enacted laws that limit abortion. Frequently, these state laws make...lozierinstitute.org
I don't see anyone trying to pass laws that require organ donation that is why I ask. And not donating organs can lead to the deaths of already living breathing humans. Why no outrage that people aren't donating their organs from the pro life crowd?
No you don't. You care about non viable cells over women and girls who are actually on this planet. You've made it perfectly clear. You have rights to your body women don't have and you're happy about it. Misogynist. You still can't answer why you want a million more kids born into poverty each year. Or why you want higher crime rates. Or more homeless children. Because that's what we get if women are forced to give birth against their wills. You aren't pro life at all. You're backwards.
Organ donation is different from abortion because it's not the deliberate killing of innocent human life.
I don't want any of that, nor do I want wholesale killing by the millions through abortion.
You want taxpayers to pay for all those unwanted children? EVERY YEAR????Unfortunately, abortion isn't rare in America. 600,000-1,000,000 a year since 2010.
96% done for convenience reasons.
Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia
You're advocating for it and you don't even know it. Your utopia doesn't exist.
Funny how these articles never provide the text of the actual statutes, which in this case, provided a clear exception.
Worst things in America -
1. MAGA
2. Pro lifers who aren't really pro life
1. MAGA
2. Pro lifers who aren't really pro life
I'm going to bow out of this thread now before it goes to 10 pages because I have to work. 😆
Everyone has their own beliefs.
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Everyone has their own beliefs.
Happy Halloween!
A fetal heartbeat has become a key medical predictor that an unborn child will reach live birth;
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The entire point here is to enable intervention BEFORE things become a medical emergency - something physicians could not legally do here. By the time intervention was attempted, it became too late.
How is it not? I mean I can see not forcing a living person to donate a kidney or something but if a person is dead why isn't the pro life crowd freaking out that they are just throwing those life saving organs away. If you are truly pro life you all should be screaming just as much about actual living breathing people that are dying unnecessarily as you are about abortion.
All I'm asking for is a little consistency here. The fact you aren't makes me believe your side just wants to control women. If you were consistent in your beliefs maybe I would respect them a little more. You should think on that.
I think everyone should be organ donors. There are very few people I can convince of anything...probably none.
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Either a medical emergency exists or it doesn’t. If the doctor believes that something will become a medical emergency, then at that point there is in fact a medical emergency. Anyone with common sense, and who doesn’t have a pro-abortion agenda, understands this.
By the time a "medical emergency" occurs, it will often be too late.
The entire point of enabling the right to abortions during miscarriage BEFORE there is a medical emergency.
Once someone becomes septic, it goes downhill very very quickly.
Because it's not about the fetus...it about the misogyny of controlling women pushed by two of the most misogynistic institutions in the world...evangelical Christians and the Catholic Church.
You know why? There is NO such "god". The Catholic god is 100% about control and $$$$$. Lots and lots of $$$$$.
Funny how doctors have to perform useless ultrasounds to verify whether they are following the "statutes"...
Maternal death rates have surged in Texas the last 5 years.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/wome...deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/wome...deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631
Some Republicans are pushing for the logical extension to their 100 percent pro life stance. Execute women and health care providers for abortions.
Good luck getting young doctors to live in Texas.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-gop-appears-put-death-192143012.html
Good luck getting young doctors to live in Texas.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-gop-appears-put-death-192143012.html
Young doctors who want to start families will not be excited about taking jobs in states where they, or their SOs are unable to access routine pregnancy care for a simple miscarriage.
Wifey and I talked last night at length about her ectopic pregnancy that she survived early in our married years. She was having some “issues” very early that presented as a possible UTI, but her very young OB-GYN correctly guessed/diagnosed an ectopic.
The surgeon, who was also an OB-GYN praised our little baby Doc profusely for catching this potentially fatal pregnancy so early. Most are not realized until much further along, therefore becoming more and more dangerous.
Thankfully there were no long term issues with her ovaries and she was able to “carry” our two kids in later years.
Leaving the hospital a few days later was the first time I experienced the financial lady literally blocking wifey’s wheel chair until I figured out how to make payment. My workplace was in the middle of an insurance switch that left us uncovered for exactly two weeks and the dreaded pre existing clause that hit us was insult added to injury.
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Didn’t follow the plain language of the statute. Death is on the “physicians”.
They did follow the plain language.
Even DISCUSSING abortion options with patients is illegal.
The doomed fetus had a heartbeat, and per the law, they had to wait to provide care.
3 separate ERs turned her away.
YOU voted for this nonsense. OWN IT.
More false information, the Texas woman was a victim of her own stupidity and the ignorance of those who refused to treat her.
I’ll gladly own it. And the plain language of the statute says that pregnancies can be terminated in medical emergencies. The only reason to deny the treatment was if the HCPs wanted to create the illusion of uncertainty where none existed because they’re so hell bent on being able to kill babies. Bunch of sick fvcks, like most leftists.
The hospital legal staff reviewed statute, and her condition was not "an emergency" at the time.
Which is how the law is written.
And miscarriages can go downhill quickly - like women can be stable/fine (NOT a medical emergency) to septic, critical in a matter of hours.
This is WHY standard of care is to intervene BEFORE it is an emergency. WHICH IS PRECLUDED BY CURRENT STATUTES.
