Who are the match up that you are thinking to see tonight? I see Garza and Cook go head to head. Not sure who will be guarding who there. But should be interesting.
PTL 6/29 Match ups
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I am personally interested in all our guys to see how they play. Looking forward to seeing the highlights and stats. We know the known commodities (Cook, JBo, Bear, Moss, etc) so the guys battling for minutes/spots are most intriguing. See how they perform especially in the areas they need to improve in; Wagner, Ellingson, Dailey, Williams, Uhl. Then seeing the new guys Nunge & Garza.
Liking all the reports and the hard work Hawkeye Report and others do in streaming, getting interview, etc.
Cook v Garza will be interesting in seeing how Cook's post D has improved and how Garza does vs a more athletic player. Also, will Cook finally try some outside shots? Vs Garza might be the time.
oops..had sunday on my old brain...not driving to WLoo tonite...will PTL it sunday
The Bohannon/Kriener team just won a game in which it had no coach. Bohannon played all 40 minutes
This one is pretty bada$$ by CW. The guy can get up there. Both him and Maishe Dailey need to be ultra unpassive this year. I hope they can do it! They certainly have the ability....
Nice highlights! Garza block on Cook! One of several.
Like the jump hooks. That will be a hard shot to stop from Luka.
Our Bigs all seem to have different traits. I like that they can all bring something unique to the table. It'll make scouting the Hawkeyes incredibly difficult for opposing coaches. We can just throw so many different options at them every time down the court. Love that S!
Garza seems to be everything fans complained Woodbury wasn't....post moves galore, nice baby hook, blocks shots, dunks the ball, outside touch. Now if he can be everything Woodbury was...lane defense, physical presence, court smarts. great passer, we will have us a heckuva player.
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Looked like 0 effort from Cook and Uhl on defense. Nothing against Garza but our senior and our supposed NBA prospect shouldn't be giving up 36.
My quick observations:
Williams looks much improved over last year. Had a nice jump shot and great dribble penetration. I left impressed with him.
Wagner looked good down low, but not much hustle out of him. Usually last one down the court.
Baer was on fire from three. Great hustle with put backs and rebounds. One of my favorites to watch. Plus he helped in a basketball camp in Cedar Falls this week and was very friendly to all the kids. Took the time to take a picture with my son.
Garza is a beast! He took it to Cook the majority of the night. Garza dominated Cook until the very end when the game was pretty much over, Cook got some late minute points. Cook was not very aggressive down low and was doing a lot of passing.
Aj Green is going to be a star wherever he goes. Really wish Iowa had room for him or would at least offer. Green was the one player tonight that I did not see get tired. You can tell he has worked on his conditioning. Everyone was winded and he kept pushing without even breathing hard.
Uhl looked much improved as well. Very aggressive down low and was hitting some nice outside shots and three pointers. Great hustle out of him as well.
This team is going to be fun to watch over the next few years. Did I mention Garza is a beast? Wow he looked good!
Williams looks much improved over last year. Had a nice jump shot and great dribble penetration. I left impressed with him.
Wagner looked good down low, but not much hustle out of him. Usually last one down the court.
Baer was on fire from three. Great hustle with put backs and rebounds. One of my favorites to watch. Plus he helped in a basketball camp in Cedar Falls this week and was very friendly to all the kids. Took the time to take a picture with my son.
Garza is a beast! He took it to Cook the majority of the night. Garza dominated Cook until the very end when the game was pretty much over, Cook got some late minute points. Cook was not very aggressive down low and was doing a lot of passing.
Aj Green is going to be a star wherever he goes. Really wish Iowa had room for him or would at least offer. Green was the one player tonight that I did not see get tired. You can tell he has worked on his conditioning. Everyone was winded and he kept pushing without even breathing hard.
Uhl looked much improved as well. Very aggressive down low and was hitting some nice outside shots and three pointers. Great hustle out of him as well.
This team is going to be fun to watch over the next few years. Did I mention Garza is a beast? Wow he looked good!
Woodbury was a competitor--obviously effectively defensively, but I like these reports on Garza. With his longer arms, he probably is close to Woodbury's standing reach? I saw some highlights and I liked Garzas ability to shoot hooks and get his shot off and on top of it he is 3pt shooter. We need to see what he does vs B1G, but we already know from Pemsl last year that a guy with low post moves can be big asset. Garza is suprising in his early scoring in PTL, but I am not sleeping on Nunge. Things look really bright for Hawks future.
People have to understand that these guys are lifting HARD and doing heavy workouts to prepare for the upcoming season. It is very possible they are quite sore and have aches and pains that would keep most people from even suiting up. I think also what we have seen since Fran arrived is the PTL is a place for the new freshmen to develop their games and gain some confidence. Once the season starts most freshmen aren't going to get a ton of minutes. Last season being a big exception to that obviously. I think this year Nunge/Garza will see the court but doubt they will have starter's minutes. Cook,Kriener, Wagner,Uhl, Baer and Pemsl will be your forwards for most of the time I think. I expect Moss to play some at the 3 when Baer is resting. Hoping that Ahmad could even play some 3 but I don't know if his handles are good enough for that. He is showing a jump shot in PTL which is mighty encouraging. He is our most athletic guy and it would be great if we could see more of that.
Curious to hear your thoughts on this. I have a feeling Garza or potentially Kriener are going to end up starting at Center by BT play if not from the get go. It is absolutely, positively the number one weakness we had last year defensively.
We had 0 rim protection and as much as I like Cook and Pemsl, they will never excel in that area. It's not who they are. I like Wagner but he's a spot minutes guy at 8-10 a game where he can bring hustle and athleticism to the 2nd unit.
Garza may have some growing pains but at 6' 11" with a good frame, he can at the very least take up space inside and alter shots. He's not a great leaper but from what I've seen he moves his feet well and stays grounded (see block on Cook).
My guess for line-up by BT Play:
PG - Bohannon
SG - Moss
SF - Baer
PF - Cook
C - Garza
Bench:
PG/SG - Dailey/WIlliams/Ellingson
Forwards - Kriener, Pemsl, Nunge, Wagner
I see Uhl as the odd man out unless he adds some significant improvement to his game. I really just don't know where all of the minutes are going to come from for the forwards. There's a significant imbalance on this roster and my main concern is that back-up PG and SG will hold us back from maximum potential. Really need at least one from that group of Dailey, WIlliams and Ellingson to take a big leap.
All I can say is what's not to be excited about going forward with this program. Hats off to Fran and staff. They along with the players have battled us out of the abyss and now we are gaining momentum. Could be very fun days ahead.
Where are the idiot fans / opposing fan base imposter trolls now who were calling for a change???? Crickets.....
Where are the idiot fans / opposing fan base imposter trolls now who were calling for a change???? Crickets.....
Until our first loss.
Garza, without seeing him outside of highlight clips, would appear to be an assured post player and maybe as close to a starter through sheer size as anyone on the roster.
I also think that Nunge could play some relief post. Again, relief post. Not where he'll play for most of the year or his life. He does possess the best shot blocking ability on the team, IMO.
Pemsl would be first off the bench for Garza.
I thought the 5 was a weakness last year. I don't think Cook or Kriener solidified themselves as a starter. This year I think we see less of Cook at the 5, and the real battle is between Kriener and Garza. I like Kriener's potential, but can he be more consistent than Garza? Like many freshmen Moss and Kriener flashed some potential. Now they need to bring the consistency to claim starter positions. I think that of the freshmen Garza has more opportunity to grab a starters role, just because we have more competition at the 3 and 4 spots. Long term I think Nunge might be the best pickup in the 2017 Class.
I hate to be "that guy" but I remember a couple years ago some Iowa fans telling me how good Andrew Flemming was going to be based upon his performance in the PTL. I think we all know how that turned out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these games basically glorified pick-up games? I mean, I'm sure it's cool to see these guys showing off their offensive skills, but can you really predict how a player will perform during the season based off them putting up 35 points in a PTL game?
Fleming had an attitude, even to the coaches. He made turnovers and never really learned. Like a lot of scoring in the PTL, a lot of Andrew's wasn't transferable to the regular season.
Garza, on the other hand, seems very coachable, already making improvements in the PTL, similar to Cook in that regard. He's not going to score big every night, but his jump hook and 3pter could easily work in regular season situations. You've got to like his rebounding too.
Now Garza may struggle with experience, but comparing him to Fleming just isn't valid.
Yeah, I'm excited for Garza too. I think he's going to be very productive at Iowa. I also have high hopes for Nunge.
I wasn't comparing Garza or anyone for that matter to Flemming. I'm just simply saying it's easy to look good in these glorified pickup games. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard Tyler Cook tore it up in the PTL last year as well, and while he certainly showed flashes of being really good throughout the season he also struggled quite a bit too.
Just saying it's probably best to pump the brakes a little on expectations for incoming freshmen.
Agree with Canada here...you just cannot make this comparison.
Fleming had physical limits with his game. He was a nice 6'3/4" inch guard whatever height you want to make him but he was NOT a 6'10/11" center whatever height you want to make Garza (7'0"?) who you can see has excellent skills for a big player. Those skills are transferable right away for a kid that big who are just hard to find.... hard to match up to a player like Garza as young as he is still
Cook was a 12 ppg freshman player in the BIG last year and the vid and report is that Garza went toe to toe with Cook.....
Night and day ....Garza and Nunge are both special big players.
See what you're saying. Cook still has a lot of growth potential. But if Garza averages about 12 points/game this year, like Cook did last year as a freshman, I'll be more than ecstatic.
Iowa has a lot of talent splitting up 200 minutes this year. But next year's rotation will be even tougher to manage. Maybe the Hawks should enter two teams for the '18-'19 season... Iowa Legends and Iowa Leaders... and hope they meet in the Big Ten final.
I think for many regulars here, and in the Lounge, it's more than PTL performances that drive the talk. There's also HS, AAU, and All Star games. I'm not sure why someone always feels the need to warn us not to be too optimistic about freshmen.
I can't speak for everyone, but I looked at past freshman contributions, going into last season, and it's been rare for a freshman to average double digit scoring. The four freshmen that played every game they could (including Cook who missed games due to injury) averaged 9.7 points per game collectively. How many of us would have been that optimistic?
We didn't graduate the playing time last year, that we did the year before, but we did have some Big's in the 2016-17 rotation, that weren't as productive. I'll be surprised if Garza and Nunge don't make the regular rotation (given good health).
Good post. Let me clarify a couple things: 1) I do think Nunge and Garza have the potential to be really good players. I've seen highlights and love the potential. 2) I speak not so much from a "Negative Nancy" viewpoint, as from my experience with fans. Some will sing the praises of a kid in July then totally badmouth a kid come winter when said kid fails to live up to THEIR expectations. I'm not saying that is or isn't anyone posting on this thread, fwiw.
Yes. Fleming was over hyped but there were many of us that were openly skeptical and realistic. He didnt really pass the eyeball test for many of us.
Garza and Nunge have both passed the eyeball test thus far. That doesnt mean they will be immediate stars but they appear to fit in well in many ways.
I was one of the worst offenders of overhyping Fleming. Even though I try to use the word GUESS as often as possible. But I disagree with the notion that Iowa recruits are overhyped more often than not. It's my observation that most of the time players are questioned, concerns are expressed, sometimes it becomes absolutely abusive.
I recall posts about Jok after his sophomore year that included the word, "bust".
I recall a poster last year that posted during the non-conference that of the whole team we had only one guy any better than an MVC bench player.
I don't see the reason to be concerned about getting hopes up if people realize it is only hopes. If anyone has ever see me posting angry diatribes about how the players haven't met expectations, let me know. I don't recall any.
I recall posts about Jok after his sophomore year that included the word, "bust".
I recall a poster last year that posted during the non-conference that of the whole team we had only one guy any better than an MVC bench player.
I don't see the reason to be concerned about getting hopes up if people realize it is only hopes. If anyone has ever see me posting angry diatribes about how the players haven't met expectations, let me know. I don't recall any.
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