Recruiting?

[js8793]

I don't post or read the boards anymore but was made aware of this situation. So I felt like the truth should be told. Sealey committed on Monday Oct 31 2022. M* was going to see him and he committed before he could. The staff at Sem was aware of why the trip was being made.

This is still not acceptable from Morningstar. This isn't some podunk high school in the middle of nowhere. It's Wyoming f'in Seminary. Luke Lilledahl was an even better recruit, at a need weight, and uncommitted at that point. Plus other really good prospects Bouzakis, Correa, Desmond, Botello, and Evanitsky.

He should be making annual appearances at this type of school anyway, regardless of whether they're actively recruiting someone. Building relationships with elite programs is essential. Infuriating level of incompetence.

 

[Hawkgma]

This is still not acceptable from Morningstar. This isn't some podunk high school in the middle of nowhere. It's Wyoming f'in Seminary. Luke Lilledahl was an even better recruit, at a need weight, and uncommitted at that point. Plus other really good prospects Bouzakis, Correa, Desmond, Botello, and Evanitsky.

He should be making annual appearances at this type of school anyway, regardless of whether they're actively recruiting someone. Building relationships with elite programs is essential. Infuriating level of incompetence.

This is proof the staff doesn't get it.. the fact that TNT have stooges like west2east to come here and post "the real story" and still not realizing how bad that makes Iowa look is proof that it isn't changing.

 

[vhsalum]

I don't post or read the boards anymore but was made aware of this situation. So I felt like the truth should be told. Sealey committed on Monday Oct 31 2022. M* was going to see him and he committed before he could. The staff at Sem was aware of why the trip was being made.

Wait, wait, wait.

So you're co-signing this nonsense? Give me a break. You no call no show the #1 team in the nation because the one recruit you were going to see (who was never going to commit to us anyway) committed?

It's not in any way worth it to go? It's not in any way worth it to AT LEAST notify the head coach of the most stacked team in the nation that you're not coming?

And then guess what? exactly what should happens, happens. That coach who has both a relationship with those athletes and has a public platform says it out loud.

This is so stupid. And negligent.

 

[vhsalum]

If this is actually what happened then there is a serious issue and it needs to be dealt with

 

[Sandor45]

This is only what we know of.
Reminds me of that piece of plywood sitting on the farmers lawn for years. Whoever lifts it up to see whats under it is gonna see a lot of dirt, insects and who knows what else.

 

[CatCoach]

I don't post or read the boards anymore but was made aware of this situation. So I felt like the truth should be told. Sealey committed on Monday Oct 31 2022. M* was going to see him and he committed before he could. The staff at Sem was aware of why the trip was being made.

W2E, so if what you are saying is true, here we are 18 months later and Coach Cornel brings it up first thing while talking to Fellers?
So it obviously was the wrong thing to do and left a bad taste in a major programs leadership. I know Iowa can't be responsible for everyone's feelings, but why not error on the side of caution, go the extra mile. How many kids have flipped last second? That happens too often to at least not say thanks for the opportunity and if you ever think of transferring down the road we would love to talk?
I have to agree with PSUer1989.

 

[Pennstate1985]

W2E, so if what you are saying is true, here we are 18 months later and Coach Cornel brings it up first thing while talking to Fellers?
So it obviously was the wrong thing to do and left a bad taste in a major programs leadership. I know Iowa can't be responsible for everyone's feelings, but why not error on the side of caution, go the extra mile. How many kids have flipped last second? That happens too often to at least not say thanks for the opportunity and if you ever think of transferring down the road we would love to talk?
I have to agree with PSUer1989.

The little things count more than the big things over time. What I mean by that is that everyone calls/visits on the first day of recruiting, but a small gesture like you suggested goes a LONG way to connecting with someone and oftentimes is remembered long term.

 

[tiltman]

Don’t worry guys it’s all part of the plan; burn all the bridges with the top clubs and high schools and then we’re going to start recruiting nothing but international superstars.

 

[Lambertt]

Obviously posters who want T&T out still haven’t marched on over to Carver and knocked on the door. All blow and no go.

 

[GiApet]

Remember me telling you guys a few years ago that I hope Brands signs a 5 year extension? Just one of many examples of me saying idiotic things here.....


I should have said 10.

 

[24timenattychamps]

Remember me telling you guys a few years ago that I hope Brands signs a 5 year extension? Just one of many examples of me saying idiotic things here.....


I should have said 10.

Still transitioning I see.

 

[tiltman]

Obviously posters who want T&T out still haven’t marched on over to Carver and knocked on the door. All blow and no go.

For the record I don’t want either Tom or Terry gone at the moment but would like to see Terry moved to HWC. But do you really think
A. Anyone on here is going to take time out of their day to search out T&T just to tell them they don’t believe they’re doing as good of a job as they could be.
B. Anyone should be scared to tell T&T this? I mean it’s not like they’re going to beat the piss outta someone for telling them.
C. What would be the point of telling them anything to try and help them out; it’s obvious at this point they don’t listen to anyone?

 

[24timenattychamps]

For the record I don’t want either Tom or Terry gone at the moment but would like to see Terry moved to HWC. But do you really think
A. Anyone on here is going to take time out of their day to search out T&T just to tell them they don’t believe they’re doing as good of a job as they could be.
B. Anyone should be scared to tell T&T this? I mean it’s not like they’re going to beat the piss outta someone for telling them.
C. What would be the point of telling them anything to try and help them out; it’s obvious at this point they don’t listen to anyone?

I love when people say “you wouldn’t say it to their face” when criticizing a fighter/wrestler like if they beat me up it wouldn’t get me a massive payday out of it.

 

[GiApet]

Still transitioning I see.

I know you still expect me to pop in.

I didn't want to no call no show...

 

[el dub]

This is still not acceptable from Morningstar. This isn't some podunk high school in the middle of nowhere. It's Wyoming f'in Seminary. Luke Lilledahl was an even better recruit, at a need weight, and uncommitted at that point. Plus other really good prospects Bouzakis, Correa, Desmond, Botello, and Evanitsky.

He should be making annual appearances at this type of school anyway, regardless of whether they're actively recruiting someone. Building relationships with elite programs is essential. Infuriating level of incompetence.

They don’t see it as incompetence, I’m guessing. That might be their recruiting style. They seem hot or cold and clannish, imo.

 

[el dub]

Wait, wait, wait.

So you're co-signing this nonsense? Give me a break. You no call no show the #1 team in the nation because the one recruit you were going to see (who was never going to commit to us anyway) committed?

It's not in any way worth it to go? It's not in any way worth it to AT LEAST notify the head coach of the most stacked team in the nation that you're not coming?

And then guess what? exactly what should happens, happens. That coach who has both a relationship with those athletes and has a public platform says it out loud.

This is so stupid. And negligent.

It’s their style. They were probably pi$$ed that Sealey committed elsewhere and couldn’t see the benefit of making the trip to a powerhouse high school JUST to cultivate relationships.

 

[GiApet]

It’s their style. They were probably pi$$ed that Sealey committed

Cant blame them... kids never flip.

 

[24timenattychamps]

I know you still expect me to pop in.

I didn't want to no call no show...

Just make sure you clock in next time

 

[Grip220]

okay this is getting a bit played out

 

[Fan In Black]

the playing field has been leveled. relax

 

[vhsalum]

okay this is getting a bit played out

Not until you say it…

 

[el dub]

W2E, so if what you are saying is true, here we are 18 months later and Coach Cornel brings it up first thing while talking to Fellers?
So it obviously was the wrong thing to do and left a bad taste in a major programs leadership. I know Iowa can't be responsible for everyone's feelings, but why not error on the side of caution, go the extra mile. How many kids have flipped last second? That happens too often to at least not say thanks for the opportunity and if you ever think of transferring down the road we would love to talk?
I have to agree with PSUer1989.

Just go to cultivate relationships within the program. (Coaches and athletes)

The excuse, “Their coach knew why they didn’t show up,” is really weak, imo. And that mentality doesn’t surprise me at all.

Gilman apparently felt like he got a bit of that treatment after CC committed. Later the coaches said they were giving him space to prepare for competition, obviously that’s not what TG wanted/needed at that point.

 

[bbwretler]

so your theory is that morningstar was going to go to Sem and then Tom said,

'you're not going and if you call and tell them you're cancelling, you're mopping mats tonight.'

that's what you're going with?

yeah, it's probably me. i'm not smart enough.

glad you realize that…..if you think Tom isn’t in total charge then yes, you aren’t smart enough.

 

[SPOONER]

Why doesn't Iowa have a Recruiting Coordinator? They can definitely afford it. If TNT don't want to put in the time and energy, pay someone to do it for you and organize everything.

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That doesn’t work. Pearsall and others like him (RC’s that are not one of the 3 allowed assistants) aren’t able to recruit off campus. They in no way can do it for them.

I wonder how beneficial it would be to have HWC guys call recruits just to check in and let them know we are interested in them. Kind of assume the roll of a recruiting coordinator but not have the title. It couldn't hurt to have a guy like Alex Marinelli calling you to assure you that Iowa is in fact interested in you and the HWC would love to have you to train with. Alex seems like a well spoken and well liked individual.
It's not everyday these HS kids have a 4X Big Ten Champ calling them to show interest. Also it's a way to keep Alex involved with the team and a little money in his pocket. Just trying to think outside the box.

It wouldn’t be beneficial at all as it would be an NCAA violation.

Coaches need to actively recruit. Period. The passive stuff doesn’t cut it.

 

[MadTown Hawk]

Are these Hawkeye coaches really so busy that they can’t call top ten recruits or have the courtesy of calling and cancelling appointments with the coach of the best high school program in the country? This sounds weird to me. What are their priorities?

 

[Pennstate1985]

Are these Hawkeye coaches really so busy that they can’t call top ten recruits or have the courtesy of calling and cancelling appointments with the coach of the best high school program in the country? This sounds weird to me. What are their priorities?

I agree with your post. Staying on top of 10-15 kids a year doesn't seem like it should use a great deal of time and energy. On the flipside, Willie posted data the other day that shows Iowa has the second best record at getting elite guys. Which dovetails with Iowa having the second best record during that time period. So is the problem one of recruiting or one of development? Both or neither? I think part of the problem here is the feeling that Iowa is falling further behind over time, and is TnT doing enough to close the gap.

Sounds like the problem is more about perceptions and expectations.

 

[smalls103]

I agree with your post. Staying on top of 10-15 kids a year doesn't seem like it should use a great deal of time and energy. On the flipside, Willie posted data the other day that shows Iowa has the second best record at getting elite guys. Which dovetails with Iowa having the second best record during that time period. So is the problem one of recruiting or one of development? Both or neither? I think part of the problem here is the feeling that Iowa is falling further behind over time, and is TnT doing enough to close the gap.

Sounds like the problem is more about perceptions and expectations.

just to be clear - i posted the Top 20's per year for PSU and Iowa.

I didn't run the numbers for, say, OKST, Ohio St., Michigan. it's possible another program has a higher Top 20/year average than Iowa.

 

[Pennstate1985]

just to be clear - i posted the Top 20's per year for PSU and Iowa.

I didn't run the numbers for, say, OKST, Ohio St., Michigan. it's possible another program has a higher Top 20/year average than Iowa.

Sorry. Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. Maybe tOSU would be close imo.

 

[smalls103]

no worries. but now you got me doing more 'work' haha.

Top 30's per year since 2015:
PSU - 2.6 (includes 5 2024's. lost Suriano, Teasdale, Beard)
Ohio St - 2.2 (lost Kinner. had A LOT in the 30's)
OKST - 1.9 (lost Ferrari, Ferrari, Mastro, Mastro, Voinovich. Added Hamiti, Spratley)
Minnesota - 1.5 (lost Early, Spratley; added Flynn)
Iowa - 1.4 (got Anthony Ferrari, Victor Voinovich, DeSanto, Real Woods (Eierman was #35))
Michigan 1.4 - (lost Rylan, Lamer, Gaige Garcia, Silva; Added Micic, Gomez, Davison, Griffith)
Nebraska 1.4 (lost Serrano, Davenport, Breske)
NC State 1.4 (lost Poulin)
ASU - 1.2
Virginia Tech - 1.1 (lost Flynn)
Cornell - 1.1

 

[lookleft goright]

no worries. but now you got me doing more 'work' haha.

Top 30's per year since 2015:
PSU - 2.6 (includes 5 2024's. lost Suriano, Teasdale, Beard)
Ohio St - 2.2 (lost Kinner. had A LOT in the 30's)
OKST - 1.9 (lost Ferrari, Ferrari, Mastro, Mastro, Voinovich. Added Hamiti, Spratley)
Minnesota - 1.5 (lost Early, Spratley; added Flynn)
Iowa - 1.4 (got Anthony Ferrari, Victor Voinovich, DeSanto, Real Woods (Eierman was #35))
Michigan 1.4 - (lost Rylan, Lamer, Gaige Garcia, Silva; Added Micic, Gomez, Davison, Griffith)
Nebraska 1.4 (lost Serrano, Davenport, Breske)
NC State 1.4 (lost Poulin)
ASU - 1.2
Virginia Tech - 1.1 (lost Flynn)
Cornell - 1.1

So it appears all the people who think they can't coach may want to rethink their position. They are the 5th best recruiters with a 2 best team. The people who think TnT can't recruit, may have a solid point. I shouldn't say "can't" but rather I should say they have room for improvement.

 

[texas twister]

OKST will leap considerably above Iowa in recruiting now.

 

[WhiteDog125]

So it appears all the people who think they can't coach may want to rethink their position. They are the 5th best recruiters with a 2 best team. The people who think TnT can't recruit, may have a solid point. I shouldn't say "can'Y" but rather I should say they have room for improvement.

Numbers like 2nd & 5th get you fired at Iowa. Unless you’re Tom Brands.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

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[The-Dude-Abides]

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Good data, thanks. PSU's win percentage is just stupid.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

Obviously posters who want T&T out still haven’t marched on over to Carver and knocked on the door. All blow and no go.

So what is going to happen if we do go knock on the door and say they need to go. Tom and Terry are both around 5'6 and 145 pounds and in their mid 50's. They were hammers in their life. They aren't anymore.

 

[smalls103]

@Cali_Nittany what are the final W/L % ? in medal bouts?

 

[Cali_Nittany]

@Cali_Nittany what are the final W/L % ? in medal bouts?

Yes, final matches. Thanks for bringing that up. 1/3/5/7

 

[Spoons]

I am slowly beginning to switch to becoming a Cowboy fan. I a have known Star for a LONG time and watched him grow up from little kid to Hawkeye. Remember his Senior year as a Hawk tore his ACL and still found a way on the stand. He is all in guys trust me he wants to win more than you think. But it’s just not working out for him. Be careful with wishing he should be gone he is the glue that holds it all together. Also losing Brands would more than likely cost us Spencer Lee and while some would like to say one guy is not more important than the program your nuts. Spencer is all we got right now and he is keeping us relevant.

 

[Fan In Black]

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nothing to see here. move along. playing field has been leveled. we like our guys.

 

[sdvike]

That doesn’t work. Pearsall and others like him (RC’s that are not one of the 3 allowed assistants) aren’t able to recruit off campus. They in no way can do it for them.



It wouldn’t be beneficial at all as it would be an NCAA violation.

Coaches need to actively recruit. Period. The passive stuff doesn’t cut it.

Didn't Spencer talk Desanto into coming to Iowa?