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Religion of peace--seriously?

BigDelHawk said:
Your quote on the sword is not how that is interpreted. And the horrible deaths to non-believers? Where is that coming from? OT maybe.
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Ah, yes, interpretation. And the peaceful Muslims will tell you you're misinterpreting the Koran. That's how the game is played. But I don't play that game. The books say what they say. And it's horrifying.

As for the horrible deaths, I already told you --
BlackNGoldBleeder said:
With all due respect, this conversation is not proof of anything other than a parady of intellectual discourse. Lol.

All kidding aside, there are universal moral laws that do exist. They are not contingent upon unanimous agreement amongst mortal men, but on consciousness itself. Science proves there are universal laws and axioms that govern the universe. In my opinion, this is also true of the essence or spirit of mankind, and can be regarded as general truths viscerally known to man since the conception of time.

While I would submit to you they are wired into us by God, even evolutionary theory, in terms of the basic evolving of the species, would agree man has progressed in intelligent thought as far as an undestanding of basic morality that is good for his preservation and progeny is concerned. The taking of innocent human life being a prime example.

Ambiguities do exist, as mankind and our conception of morality differ or become nuanced as societies evolve, but there are very much universal axioms that exist in the conscious awareness of mankind. Those who differ in their awareness of these truths, or acceptance of them probably more accurately, only proves that abnormalities within the human consciousness do exist. That does not mean e.g. murder is not a universal law that not only exists but is accepted and indoctrinated into normal human consciousness.

Of course, all of this hinges on a belief that the universe and existence itself is organic and intelligently designed. If you are someone who accepts all levels of evolutionary theory, and that existence is one cosmic accident, then morality is perhaps unequivocally subjective, or, at a very primitive level, moot.

I, however, am one of those crazy people who believe in God and that Jesus the Christ is Lord and Savior. This is a belief I can't explain, as I can be a royal asshole most days, especially towards idiot evangelicals, but the belief is innate all the same. And it shapes my view of the universe.

So, take it with a grain of salt.
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So...God wired us to all know his rules regarding morality, and you have access to it. And anybody who has a different idea about any particular moral law is “abnormal.” Including, say, George Washington; who was wired different than you.
 
artradley said:
Ah, yes, interpretation. And the peaceful Muslims will tell you you're misinterpreting the Koran. That's how the game is played. But I don't play that game. The books say what they say. And it's horrifying.

As for the horrible deaths, I already told you --


So...God wired us to all know his rules regarding morality, and you have access to it. And anybody who has a different idea about any particular moral law is “abnormal.” Including, say, George Washington; who was wired different than you.
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Do you really struggle that much with reading comprehension?
 
BlackNGoldBleeder said:
With all due respect, this conversation is not proof of anything other than a parady of intellectual discourse. Lol.

All kidding aside, there are universal moral laws that do exist. They are not contingent upon unanimous agreement amongst mortal men, but on consciousness itself. Science proves there are universal laws and axioms that govern the universe. In my opinion, this is also true of the essence or spirit of mankind, and can be regarded as general truths viscerally known to man since the conception of time.

While I would submit to you they are wired into us by God, even evolutionary theory, in terms of the basic evolving of the species, would agree man has progressed in intelligent thought as far as an undestanding of basic morality that is good for his preservation and progeny is concerned. The taking of innocent human life being a prime example.

Ambiguities do exist, as mankind and our conception of morality differ or become nuanced as societies evolve, but there are very much universal axioms that exist in the conscious awareness of mankind. Those who differ in their awareness of these truths, or acceptance of them probably more accurately, only proves that abnormalities within the human consciousness do exist. That does not mean e.g. murder is not a universal law that not only exists but is accepted and indoctrinated into normal human consciousness.

Of course, all of this hinges on a belief that the universe and existence itself is organic and intelligently designed. If you are someone who accepts all levels of evolutionary theory, and that existence is one cosmic accident, then morality is perhaps unequivocally subjective, or, at a very primitive level, moot.

I, however, am one of those crazy people who believe in God and that Jesus the Christ is Lord and Savior. This is a belief I can't explain, as I can be a royal asshole most days, especially towards idiot evangelicals, but the belief is innate all the same. And it shapes my view of the universe.

So, take it with a grain of salt.
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Everything you just offered (that I agree with a great deal) is merely your opinion. You even defined it as opinion in various places in your own post. Opinion is relative, it's not "law." It's not a "universal law", not by any means.

People justify murder ALL...THE... TIME! If a behavior can be justified, then their is no universal law of any kind. Using the term "abnormality" is you assuming that your version is "normal." Everything that you're insisting is some universal moral law is broken on a constant basis. So, it's not a "law" at all. Morality is the epitome of subjectivity. At its best, it's more of an understanding that, as far as I can tell, all of mankind is capable of taking into consideration. But, wrong and right, and good and bad... those are all relative. They are polarities to measure one against the other, given whatever the circumstance is that occurs. You were doing it earlier by insisting that pedophilia is okay until the child is the age of so-and-so. There it is! There is the relative nature of what is at hand.

I believe that, in the future, society will look back at our glorification of sports as a degradation of our mental resources. To put so much emphasis and have so much of our social structure based on the spectacle of competition, most of which is severely damaging to the human body itself. That's just one example. But, it illustrates how I can speculate and how the morality of it is clearly not a universal one.
 
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strummingram said:
Everything you just offered (that I agree with a great deal) is merely your opinion. You even defined it as opinion in various places in your own post. Opinion is relative, it's not "law." It's not a "universal law", not by any means.

People justify murder ALL...THE... TIME! If a behavior can be justified, then their is no universal law of any kind. Using the term "abnormality" is you assuming that your version is "normal." Everything that you're insisting is some universal moral law is broken on a constant basis. So, it's not a "law" at all. Morality is the epitome of subjectivity. At its best, it's more of an understanding that, as far as I can tell, all of mankind is capable of taking into consideration. But, wrong and right, and good and bad... those are all relative. They are polarities to measure one against the other, given whatever the circumstance is that occurs. You were doing it earlier by insisting that pedophilia is okay until the child is the age of so-and-so. There it is! There is the relative nature of what is at hand.

I believe that, in the future, society will look back at our glorification of sports as a degradation of our mental resources. To put so much emphasis and have so much of our social structure based on the spectacle of competition, most of which is severely damaging to the human body itself. That's just one example. But, it illustrates how I can speculate and how the morality of it is clearly not a universal one.
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I agree almost entirely.

But my disagreement is that murder e.g. is considered a universal law despite its nuances and exceptions. If nuance and exception can not be included, then what you are saying is 100 percent correct in terms of morality be unequivocally subjective. I, however, believe nuance and exception can be included, which is where it seems we depart from one another.
 
BlackNGoldBleeder said:
I agree almost entirely.

But my disagreement is that murder e.g. is considered a universal law despite its nuances and exceptions. If nuance and exception can not be included, then what you are saying is 100 percent correct in terms of morality be unequivocally subjective. I, however, believe nuance and exception can be included, which is where it seems we depart from one another.
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Well, nuance and exception IS included. Those are what contribute to making things RELATIVE! Exception is a prime example. "There's always an exception to the rule." That's precisely what makes whatever we accept as universal... suddenly NOT universal anymore.
 
Mattski said:
The 9/11 commission did the most exhaustive investigation possible and found nothing involving Saudi government that supported or funded AQ and 9/11. We're there a few rogue officials? Probably. Was it a state sponsored group and attack, not remotely. SA isnt stupid enough to bite that hand.
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The govt of SA builds the schools that teach Wahhabism. They are the progenitor of radical Islam. They created OBL. Not rogue officials...it's Saudi policy. They constructed ~25,000 madrasas in Pakistan to push their version of Islam.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
I hope that was a joke.
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Nope, St. Thomas combined the theological principles of faith with the philosophical principles of reason. That is why Christianity has been able to change. And also why you have the separation of Church and State widely accepted.

From Al Islam: "Prophethood commenced with Prophet Adam(as) and reached its pinnacle with Prophet Muhammad(sa). According to Islam no new independent prophet can now appear. However, Prophethood as an institution has not ceased. According to the Holy Qur’an and other Islamic sources there can be a prophet after Prophet Muhammad(sa) provided he follows the Shariah of Muhammad(sa) and is completely subordinate to him."

So you can have no significant modifiers of Islam. It is what it is.
 
tarheelbybirth said:
The govt of SA builds the schools that teach Wahhabism. They are the progenitor of radical Islam. They created OBL. Not rogue officials...it's Saudi policy. They constructed ~25,000 madrasas in Pakistan to push their version of Islam.
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Fair point and no doubt they are sowing seeds of hate and using Islam to do so.
 
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artradley said:
So, there’s no violence in the Bible other than the part that’s filled with violence. Sweet. Both holy books are horrific, and the peace loving members of both religions reached their enlightenment largely on their willingness to ignore the uglier teachings.

But my main point is that your initial post showed a childish view of Muslims, and suggests you have never spent time with any.
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Ummmm, You do not know shit about the New Testament. Tell me about all that violence?

First off, are you Muslim? Have I ever spent time with Muslims? Much more than most. I have attended two Muslim weddings. They are lovely people, however, given the chance, there is a large percentage of them that think they should be able to impose their beliefs on you if given the chance. I have also read the Koran.
 
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BigDelHawk said:
Ummmm, You do not know shit about the New Testament. Tell me about all that violence?

First off, are you Muslim? Have I ever spent time with Muslims? Much more than most. I have attended two Muslim weddings. They are lovely people, however, given the chance, there is a large percentage of them that think they should be able to impose their beliefs on you if given the chance. I have also read the Koran.
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Two! That's a lot. Wow! Two ... really? And a large percentage? Holy cow. Really? I can't believe it. Crazy!

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tarheelbybirth said:
The govt of SA builds the schools that teach Wahhabism. They are the progenitor of radical Islam. They created OBL. Not rogue officials...it's Saudi policy. They constructed ~25,000 madrasas in Pakistan to push their version of Islam.
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So...you must really hate Palestine...you know...with Hamas being in charge and stuff. Of course when it comes to Hamas and schools, they use them more for hiding their weapons. Crazy...because everyone knows that's what hospitals are for...which Palestine does as well.
 
BigDelHawk said:
Ummmm, You do not know shit about the New Testament. Tell me about all that violence?

First off, are you Muslim? Have I ever spent time with Muslims? Much more than most. I have attended two Muslim weddings. They are lovely people, however, given the chance, there is a large percentage of them that think they should be able to impose their beliefs on you if given the chance. I have also read the Koran.
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This is funny.
 
BigDelHawk said:
Fact is, I knew them well enough to be invited. You?
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Yep. Been to a Muslim wedding. Very nice. No one imposed their beliefs on me. I have also been to other kinds of weddings. I think the Irish wedding is where the most people tried to impose their beliefs on me (I don't drink anymore, but they sure do). I mean, what is up with those guys?

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FAUlty Gator said:
So...you must really hate Palestine...you know...with Hamas being in charge and stuff. Of course when it comes to Hamas and schools, they use them more for hiding their weapons. Crazy...because everyone knows that's what hospitals are for...which Palestine does as well.
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WTF are you talking about? Are you drunk? Seriously?
 
HawkRugged17 said:
Yep. Been to a Muslim wedding. Very nice. No one imposed their beliefs on me. I have also been to other kinds of weddings. I think the Irish wedding is where the most people tried to impose their beliefs on me (I don't drink anymore, but they sure do). I mean, what is up with those guys?

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That's because they don't impose their beliefs out in the open. It's done in their homes, it's done in mosques. I know a muslim guy that hates radicals and he said there is so much hate for America in Mosques. (And he goes to a mosque in Iowa).
 
Rebels4eva4 said:
That's because they don't impose their beliefs out in the open. It's done in their homes, it's done in mosques. I know a muslim guy that hates radicals and he said there is so much hate for America in Mosques. (And he goes to a mosque in Iowa).
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Dude, America hates itself. Look at us. Look who's in office. Look how we govern ourselves. When your society is built on settler-colonialism and the lies and deceits that enable such society-building, and then on individualistic consumption, self-hatred is the logical outcome. Hating others is a coping mechanism.
 
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Rebels4eva4 said:
The religion of peace is organized and they want more power.

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You realize they have a big problem with Muslims in Detroit purchasing strip malls, raising rents until the current tenants leave, then sponsoring fellow Muslims to come in and start identical businesses with the original lower rent. So if an area could support a dry cleaning business, now it is owned by a Muslim. If it was a hairdresser, quick shop, restaurant and so forth, they are now replaced with Muslim owned businesses. They are more organized than you think.
 
Rudolph said:
Thanks for the heads up MAGA Gwen!
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(in my thickest southern drawl) We cain't let the nigras take over. Next thing ya know, they'll be wantin' to sit in the same waitin' rooms and ride the same train cars, and use the same tawlets!
 
strummingram said:
(in my thickest southern drawl) We cain't let the nigras take over. Next thing ya know, they'll be wantin' to sit in the same waitin' rooms and ride the same train cars, and use the same tawlets!
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Only democrats talk down to black people. The party of slavery and now mental slavery.
 
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Rebels4eva4 said:
Only democrats talk down to black people. The party of slavery and now mental slavery.
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I'm not talking down to anyone... except you. I was using that example as a metaphor for the fear of Muslims in this country. Whites used to have that same fear of blacks... I mean, some still have that same fear of blacks. The southern drawl is not exclusive to black people. I was using it as an example of a fear-ridden, ignorant southern white.
 
Rebels4eva4 said:
That's because they don't impose their beliefs out in the open. It's done in their homes, it's done in mosques. I know a muslim guy that hates radicals and he said there is so much hate for America in Mosques. (And he goes to a mosque in Iowa).
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I know a dude who hates Muslims and wants to ban them all. Of course, he doesn't really know what's going on, but still.

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Rebels4eva4 said:
Ok give me examples of republicans talking like that.

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I'm not ruled by an enemy complex such that I would even want to make an effort. I can speak to actual rhetoric and policy that I think is more important than adopting a manner of speaking (which we all do subconsciously—as well as mirroring mannerisms). Look, man, you're pointing out something while pretty much doing the exact thing in aiming to condemn that something. "Only Democrats do X" isn't exactly a good way to present yourself as a credible critic of whatever X happens to be.
 
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BigDelHawk said:
You realize they have a big problem with Muslims in Detroit purchasing strip malls, raising rents until the current tenants leave, then sponsoring fellow Muslims to come in and start identical businesses with the original lower rent. So if an area could support a dry cleaning business, now it is owned by a Muslim. If it was a hairdresser, quick shop, restaurant and so forth, they are now replaced with Muslim owned businesses. They are more organized than you think.
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Yeah? Do you have a problem with mormons doing that? Because I have a news flash for you...
 
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