RFK hearing day - So do we want transparency and accountability?

[bunsen82]

Diagnosis may have changed the numbers to a small extent, but according to the experts it cannot explain the majority of the epidemic.

Natural drink the cool aid drink the cool aid. From AI

The timeline of vaccine schedules does not align with any significant change in autism diagnosis rates, with extensive research demonstrating no causal link between vaccines and autism; while the diagnosis of autism has increased over time, this is primarily attributed to improved diagnostic criteria and awareness, not changes in vaccination practices.

So lets just think this over, if the schedule has been fairly set since the 90's for vaccines, and actual since early 2000's vaccine usage began to decline, wouldn't you have thought with the increased schedule, you would have seen a drastic increase of autism in the 90's. So a jump in 94, a flatline til about 2010, then a gradual decline as less parents began vaccinating their children if its vaccines. As of this year, Kindergarteners down to 93% and I have heard in some areas closer to 89%. Then why is Autism still increasing, not decreasing. Your group should be decreasing the numbers or flatlining the numbers if your hypothosis was correct.

 

[bunsen82]

All these quotes above are just from page 9 of this thread.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" -Anonymous

Isn't this fun?

Really, all those posts show the following:

1. You called me out for not posting studies multiple times, multiple times I tell you they are posted. You tell me game over because I didn't post the vaccines, then I have to hold your hand and show you.
2. You state I didn't show you the studies you wanted. I showed you studies, you disagree.
3. I show you why your theory is bonkers, you have no statistics to back up your claim.
4. You bring up Parents who claim child died of vaccines, with no proof.
5. You claim Pharma had an anti-vaxxer whacked.
6. You admit the MMR is safe that it is thus the increased scheduled.
7. I Stated have you not considered the change in diagnosis for the increase in autism rates?
8. Your response is researcher state might have changed a little not that much (found in no study ever).
9. If it was vaccines, you would have seen an immediate increase to a higher percentage of autism, then a flatline, then a decline as less parents are vaccinating. This is simple math and science.
10. In between you brought up a study saying this is your #1 study showing vaccines are unsafe: In the summary literally states the following: Although vaccines are not 100% safe, there are very very few adverse effects.

Yes I am frustrated with you. You don't understand science you don't understand math. You don't understand singular claims by parents with nothing to back it up is just sensational, but overall is meaningless. That random accounts of someone claiming they are being stalked by Pharma an someone else insinuating they were killed by Pharma isn't necessarily the truth. The IQ and general inability to fully understand what is occurring is generally worrisome. I have tried to show you your fallibilities, counter claiming every claim you have had.

Ultimately, your summary is this:
1. We cannot say vaccines do not cause autism.
2. You agree with the safety and efficacy of MMR and Thimerosal, but you now think its the vaccine schedule.

Thus I leave you with the report of anti vaxxers, 1st claiming MMR (refuted with studies), then thimersol (again refuted with studies). What more do we have to do for these idiots.

Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses - PMC

Although child vaccination rates remain high, some parental concern persists that vaccines might cause autism. Three specific hypotheses have been proposed: (1) the combination measles-mumps-rubella vaccine causes autism by damaging the intestinal ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yet you believe because slander was used you are the winner of this debate. No I am just frustrated with your idiocy. The enduring term of quack is well earned.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Really, all those posts show the following:

1. You called me out for not posting studies multiple times, multiple times I tell you they are posted. You tell me game over because I didn't post the vaccines, then I have to hold your hand and show you.
2. You state I didn't show you the studies you wanted. I showed you studies, you disagree.
3. I show you why your theory is bonkers, you have no statistics to back up your claim.
4. You bring up Parents who claim child died of vaccines, with no proof.
5. You claim Pharma had an anti-vaxxer whacked.
6. You admit the MMR is safe that it is thus the increased scheduled.
7. I Stated have you not considered the change in diagnosis for the increase in autism rates?
8. Your response is researcher state might have changed a little not that much (found in no study ever).
9. If it was vaccines, you would have seen an immediate increase to a higher percentage of autism, then a flatline, then a decline as less parents are vaccinating. This is simple math and science.
10. In between you brought up a study saying this is your #1 study showing vaccines are unsafe: In the summary literally states the following: Although vaccines are not 100% safe, there are very very few adverse effects.

Yes I am frustrated with you. You don't understand science you don't understand math. You don't understand singular claims by parents with nothing to back it up is just sensational, but overall is meaningless. That random accounts of someone claiming they are being stalked by Pharma an someone else insinuating they were killed by Pharma isn't necessarily the truth. The IQ and general inability to fully understand what is occurring is generally worrisome. I have tried to show you your fallibilities, counter claiming every claim you have had.

Ultimately, your summary is this:
1. We cannot say vaccines do not cause vaccine.
2. You agree with the safety and efficacy of MMR and Thimerosal, but you now think its the vaccine schedule.

Thus I leave you with the report of anti vaxxers, 1st claiming MMR (refuted with studies), then thimersol (again refuted with studies). What more do we have to do for these idiots.

Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses - PMC

Although child vaccination rates remain high, some parental concern persists that vaccines might cause autism. Three specific hypotheses have been proposed: (1) the combination measles-mumps-rubella vaccine causes autism by damaging the intestinal ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yet you believe because slander was used you are the winner of this debate. No I am just frustrated with your idiocy. The enduring term of quack is well earned.

You posting that garbage editorial from the Pharma profiteer, Paul Offit, does nothing to bolster your claims.

He represents an industry whose motto is 'Injections and Drugs From Cradle to Grave'. Snake oil salesmen who make billion$ peddling their wares that make people sick for life.

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[bunsen82]

You posting that garbage editorial from the Pharma profiteer, Paul Offit, does nothing to bolster your claims.

He represents an industry whose motto is 'Injections and Drugs From Cradle to Grave'. Snake oil salesmen who make billion$ peddling their wares that make people sick for life.

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There goes the retort, they are paid for . . . . didn't we just hear that from RFK. Moron, even Natural agrees there are 100 studies supporting that MMR and Thimerosal are safe and effective. That is what his report is. That individuals like you just keep changing their narrative when they are rebuked. You come up with a theory, they do the studies, show you you are wrong, you come up with another claim, they do the studies and show you that you are wrong. It has nothing to do with money, all with the facts and science. Again, refer to the above. If you can't understand it, just remain quiet because it is clear you are outside your realm on talking about vaccines. Please bring up again about how Pharma killed an Anti-Vaxxer that is just blatantly false. Michael this is your realm, trying to create distrust by throwing out lies and false claims.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

1. We cannot say vaccines do not cause vaccine.

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[naturalbornhawk]

Really, all those posts show the following:

1. You called me out for not posting studies multiple times, multiple times I tell you they are posted. You tell me game over because I didn't post the vaccines, then I have to hold your hand and show you.
2. You state I didn't show you the studies you wanted. I showed you studies, you disagree.
3. I show you why your theory is bonkers, you have no statistics to back up your claim.
4. You bring up Parents who claim child died of vaccines, with no proof.
5. You claim Pharma had an anti-vaxxer whacked.
6. You admit the MMR is safe that it is thus the increased scheduled.
7. I Stated have you not considered the change in diagnosis for the increase in autism rates?
8. Your response is researcher state might have changed a little not that much (found in no study ever).
9. If it was vaccines, you would have seen an immediate increase to a higher percentage of autism, then a flatline, then a decline as less parents are vaccinating. This is simple math and science.
10. In between you brought up a study saying this is your #1 study showing vaccines are unsafe: In the summary literally states the following: Although vaccines are not 100% safe, there are very very few adverse effects.

Yes I am frustrated with you. You don't understand science you don't understand math. You don't understand singular claims by parents with nothing to back it up is just sensational, but overall is meaningless. That random accounts of someone claiming they are being stalked by Pharma an someone else insinuating they were killed by Pharma isn't necessarily the truth. The IQ and general inability to fully understand what is occurring is generally worrisome. I have tried to show you your fallibilities, counter claiming every claim you have had.

Ultimately, your summary is this:
1. We cannot say vaccines do not cause vaccine.
2. You agree with the safety and efficacy of MMR and Thimerosal, but you now think its the vaccine schedule.

Thus I leave you with the report of anti vaxxers, 1st claiming MMR (refuted with studies), then thimersol (again refuted with studies). What more do we have to do for these idiots.

Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses - PMC

Although child vaccination rates remain high, some parental concern persists that vaccines might cause autism. Three specific hypotheses have been proposed: (1) the combination measles-mumps-rubella vaccine causes autism by damaging the intestinal ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yet you believe because slander was used you are the winner of this debate. No I am just frustrated with your idiocy. The enduring term of quack is well earned.

I'm not going to waste my time responding to all this. You're not listening, bringing up things that don't matter, not providing studies, not realizing the lack of said studies is an issue and not caring that they don't exist, and not acknowledging studies provided to you indicating issues. We're just going to have to agree to disagree, see if RFK is confirmed and see who was right.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You posting that garbage editorial from the Pharma profiteer, Paul Offit, does nothing to bolster your claims.

He represents an industry whose motto is 'Injections and Drugs From Cradle to Grave'. Snake oil salesmen who make billion$ peddling their wares that make people sick for life.

☠️ 💊💉

Speaking of Offit, remember when he said this? Good times!

 

[bunsen82]

I'm not going to waste my time responding to all this. You're not listening, bringing up things that don't matter, not providing studies, not realizing the lack of said studies is an issue and not caring that they don't exist, and not acknowledging studies provided to you indicating issues. We're just going to have to agree to disagree, see if RFK is confirmed and see who was right.

You agree there are 100 studies correct, that's what you said above???

You agree that Pharma did not kill a anti-vaxxer correct??

You agree that if the schedule was the issue we should have seen a dramatic increase in autism and then a decline as more people are not vaccinate their kids? Correct Not a gradual incline like we have seen

You agree that you have said MMR and thimersol are safe and affective, correct?

You agree that anti-vaxxers have stated MMR was the issue first, then thimerosal, now the schedule even though the science and charts don't show it correct?

You agree that your big study showing adverse effects of vaccines states that Vaccines although cannot be 100% safe, have very few adverse effects.

Yes calling out you when you bring up family member stating their child got autism from vaccines, or died from vaccines with no proof, is not a scientific data point. Same with you trying to sensationalize an antivaxxer dying from pharma companies when that was not the truth. As a whole, you and Michael rely on Lies, so when that is the factual basis that someone is going against, they have to call it out.

As to lack of said studies, tell me what they should be studying? Up to this point there is no specific thing you can point to. That leaves the interpretation wide open. You can't tell me there is an issue because a lack of studies, that is preposterous.

As to RFK, ultimately who cares, he paid for his position - he ran as a 3rd party candidate and negotiated for this position. The very antithesis of monetizing on his votes, not his knowledge base. If the republican party puts him through, it shows how far the US has fallen.

See when facts are shown, that you know you can't refute you just take the ball and walk away and just saying we are going to have to agree to disagree. See this is how an actual debate goes. And you realize that my stance is correct but you are unwilling to admit it here or to yourself.

Naturalbornhawk: "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" -Anonymous" You were the moron that made that comment. So the last several posts is showing you, what the whole antivax movement comes down to, your arguments and ect, really have no basis in fact. The debate was never lost on my end, I merely just started calling you quacks, retarded and ignorant, when you would post lies and ignore facts.

Game, set, match. Isn’t this fun 😉

 

[bunsen82]

Speaking of Offit, remember when he said this? Good times!

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You realize that he just said, its 99.99% certain it doesn't cause it, but if you leave a door open, morons like you, overstate its importance.

 

[bunsen82]

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If thats what you got out of that holy shit, where's the Tylenol. It was autism, do you agree that these are the 2 current stances by you. I am just trying to pin down your stance because it seems to be a moving target:

1. We cannot say vaccines do not cause autism.
2. You agree with the safety and efficacy of MMR and Thimerosal, but you now think its the vaccine schedule.

 

[bunsen82]

Btw, nowhere in my post did I say I thought she was offed by pharma ?

"I wondered what happened to her! Damn pharma is corrupt as hell and so many times over the years all these HBOT assholes here would stick up for them." On article stating she had just died after being a whistleblower.