Rose Bowl Selection

[stanzithemanzi12]

I know we should all be thinking win vs. Michigan State, but let's talk about our Rose Bowl back up odds should we lose to Michigan State. I think the Rose Bowl would be absolutely stupid not to pick Iowa over OSU.

I know TV ratings play a bigger role, but I just don't think OSU would travel in droves to Pasedena. Don't get me wrong, they've have a nice showing, but I feel Iowa would bring 10-15k more fans considering the circumstances. OSU probably has a little bit of success fatigue among their fan base. I think Iowa would bring 40-50k fans to the Rose.

It's going to come down to the final playoff rankings. I personally don't see how Ohio State could finish ranked ahead of Iowa as long as we score more than 10 points and don't lose by more than 10 points. Ohio State lost at home to Michigan State and they were absolutely shut down. Ohio State gained just 132 yards. They also lost to an MSU playing without their starting quarterback. Their loss also would have come to a lower ranked MSU team. They were ranked 7th or 8th when the beat OSU. I think MSU is going to jump Iowa in the rankings this week to #4.

Ohio State has just 1 win over a top 25 team, and that's going to end up being a #15ish Michigan. Wisconsin should be back in the rankings giving us 2 wins over top 25 teams, and Northwestern should be ranked higher than Michigan giving us a better top 25 win as well.

Our strength of schedules should be very close after we play MSU as well. They'll probably stay in the mid-30's, and we'll probably jump to the high 40's. So they'll have beat in that category.

If we lose to Michigan State by 7 or less then we should be ranked above Ohio State. There's no reason for us not to be. Rose Bowl officials have made it very clear that they will strongly favor the higher ranked team with recency of visits making up a very small part of the equation. If Ohio State does end up ranked ahead of us it shouldn't be by much, and I would hope the Rose Bowl and the B1G would take into consideration OSU was there in 2010, and Iowa hasn't been since 1991. I'd also hope they'd pull some strings for Ferentz considering he's currently the longest tenured coach in the B1G.

 

[And1Hawk]

You are fooling yourself. It will be OSU. Iowa has zero chance at the Rose. It's playoffs or bust.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

OSU hasn't done anything this year outside of beating Michigan and unranked Penn State on the road. It will be absolute garbage if we play MSU close and get left out of the Rose Bowl to Ohio State. All the facts support us outside of the fact they'll have a slightly higher strength of schedule.

 

[hawkbleeder]

I know we should all be thinking win vs. Michigan State, but let's talk about our Rose Bowl back up odds should we lose to Michigan State. I think the Rose Bowl would be absolutely stupid not to pick Iowa over OSU.

I know TV ratings play a bigger role, but I just don't think OSU would travel in droves to Pasedena. Don't get me wrong, they've have a nice showing, but I feel Iowa would bring 10-15k more fans considering the circumstances. OSU probably has a little bit of success fatigue among their fan base. I think Iowa would bring 40-50k fans to the Rose.

It's going to come down to the final playoff rankings. I personally don't see how Ohio State could finish ranked ahead of Iowa as long as we score more than 10 points and don't lose by more than 10 points. Ohio State lost at home to Michigan State and they were absolutely shut down. Ohio State gained just 132 yards. They also lost to an MSU playing without their starting quarterback. Their loss also would have come to a lower ranked MSU team. They were ranked 7th or 8th when the beat OSU. I think MSU is going to jump Iowa in the rankings this week to #4.

Ohio State has just 1 win over a top 25 team, and that's going to end up being a #15ish Michigan. Wisconsin should be back in the rankings giving us 2 wins over top 25 teams, and Northwestern should be ranked higher than Michigan giving us a better top 25 win as well.

Our strength of schedules should be very close after we play MSU as well. They'll probably stay in the mid-30's, and we'll probably jump to the high 40's. So they'll have beat in that category.

If we lose to Michigan State by 7 or less then we should be ranked above Ohio State. There's no reason for us not to be. Rose Bowl officials have made it very clear that they will strongly favor the higher ranked team with recency of visits making up a very small part of the equation. If Ohio State does end up ranked ahead of us it shouldn't be by much, and I would hope the Rose Bowl and the B1G would take into consideration OSU was there in 2010, and Iowa hasn't been since 1991. I'd also hope they'd pull some strings for Ferentz considering he's currently the longest tenured coach in the B1G.

Fans shouldn't have to think and justify like this, football should be settled on the field. This whole thing is a joke. To answer your question, we're not a brand and tOSU is....this is a beauty contest as it stands.

 

[HawkeyeinOmaha]

OSU is a lock for the Rose. We are just going to have to beat MSU.

 

[nu2u]

The Rose Bowl is a consolation prize now. With a national championship playoff system in place, the Rose Bowl is becoming the football equivalent of the NIT.

Its better than other bowl games for sure but, for me, it has lost a lot of its luster. I'm probably in the minority but as long as the Rose Bowl is outside the championship format, I'm not going to get excited by a potential Rose Bowl invitation.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

OSU is a lock for the Rose. We are just going to have to beat MSU.

Stewart Mandel posted yesterday the only way OSU is in the Rose is if Iowa is in the playoffs.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

The Rose Bowl is a consolation prize now. With a national championship playoff system in place, the Rose Bowl is becoming the football equivalent of the NIT.

Its better than other bowl games for sure but, for me, it has lost a lot of its luster. I'm probably in the minority but as long as the Rose Bowl is outside the championship format, I'm not going to get excited by a potential Rose Bowl invitation.

You are in the minority. And the Rose Bowl has not lost its luster.

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

The Rose Bowl is a consolation prize now. With a national championship playoff system in place, the Rose Bowl is becoming the football equivalent of the NIT.

Its better than other bowl games for sure but, for me, it has lost a lot of its luster. I'm probably in the minority but as long as the Rose Bowl is outside the championship format, I'm not going to get excited by a potential Rose Bowl invitation.

The Rose Bowl might have taken a slight hit in the national perspective, but it is still held very highly among B1G and Pac12 fans.

 

[HawkeyeinOmaha]

Stewart Mandel posted yesterday the only way OSU is in the Rose is if Iowa is in the playoffs.

Here is my reasoning. The Rose Bowl has said they are going to take the highest ranked team not in the playoff. OSU is at 8 now, and will jump after the dominant performance yesterday. 6 maybe? We are at 4, and I think we probably stay at 4 this week. If we lose to MSU I think we will fall below OSU.

 

[nu2u]

You are in the minority. And the Rose Bowl has not lost its luster.

Older fans are still stuck on the Rose because it has been the destination for a Big Ten team for more than half of a century. It was the top prize, the ultimate reward, for achieving the best league record. That is no longer the case. As the playoff system develops and eventually expands the Rose Bowl's luster (so long as it is outside the championship) will wither - it is inevitable. I realize that is not the case today as evidenced by the multiple threads here inquiring about and hoping for a possible Rose Bowl bid for Iowa .... at the same time Iowa is presently ranked as a playoff team by the selection committee.

 

[radicalhawk]

You are in the minority. And the Rose Bowl has not lost its luster.

TTTTTotally agree. There's nothing like the tradition and grandeur of the Rose Bowl. The 30+ wannabes and Johnny come Lately bowls can't hold a candle. And having a bowl game for a losing team is ridiculous. It insults the meaning of bowl games. You're suppose to accomplish something and be rewarded. Now, everyone gets a trophy.

 

[radicalhawk]

Older fans are still stuck on the Rose because it has been the destination for a Big Ten team for more than half of a century. It was the top prize, the ultimate reward, for achieving the best league record. That is no longer the case. As the playoff system develops and eventually expands the Rose Bowl's luster (so long as it is outside the championship) will wither - it is inevitable.

Count me as older and stuck on the Rose. Not even a consolation prize if Iowa lost to Michigan State? It beats the hell out of something in the middle of the Arizona desert.

 

[td77]

Here is my reasoning. The Rose Bowl has said they are going to take the highest ranked team not in the playoff. OSU is at 8 now, and will jump after the dominant performance yesterday. 6 maybe? We are at 4, and I think we probably stay at 4 this week. If we lose to MSU I think we will fall below OSU.

Unfortunately, this argument follows the most logic.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Here is my reasoning. The Rose Bowl has said they are going to take the highest ranked team not in the playoff. OSU is at 8 now, and will jump after the dominant performance yesterday. 6 maybe? We are at 4, and I think we probably stay at 4 this week. If we lose to MSU I think we will fall below OSU.

I understand your reasoning and agree we would likely drop below OSU if we lose. But Mandel is well-respected and I don't think he posts that unless he has a solid source in the Rose Bowl selection committee.

 

[ih8iast8]

Here is my reasoning. The Rose Bowl has said they are going to take the highest ranked team not in the playoff. OSU is at 8 now, and will jump after the dominant performance yesterday. 6 maybe? We are at 4, and I think we probably stay at 4 this week. If we lose to MSU I think we will fall below OSU.

Whoever loses the b1g championship game will fall below OSU & find itself out of the rosebowl. Kinda sucks.

 

[ferentzin04]

The Rose Bowl is a consolation prize now. With a national championship playoff system in place, the Rose Bowl is becoming the football equivalent of the NIT.

Lmao. No, it's not. The Meineke Car Care Bowl and similar bowls are the equivalent of the NIT. The Rose Bowl this year would be the equivalent of the Elite Eight. I'll take that.

 

[lockjovi]

Whoever loses the b1g championship game will fall below OSU & find itself out of the rosebowl. Kinda sucks.

That's a huge flaw with the CCG and rankings. Teams should not be penalized for playing in the CCG and losing, knock them out of the playoff picture sure but judging them against teams that played 12 games is ridiculous.

 

[td77]

That's a huge flaw with the CCG and rankings. Teams should not be penalized for playing in the CCG and losing, knock them out of the playoff picture sure but judging them against teams that played 12 games is ridiculous.

No offense, but your argument is kind of ridiculous. The whole idea is to match up the best teams. A CCG only gives us one more nugget of judgement on a teams resume. Seems objectively fair to me.

 

[moral_victory]

That's a huge flaw with the CCG and rankings. Teams should not be penalized for playing in the CCG and losing, knock them out of the playoff picture sure but judging them against teams that played 12 games is ridiculous.

It is almost like OSU gets rewarded for having a week off.

 

[ichawk24]

CCG teams have a chance to improve their standing, but also to damage their standing. Seems fair to me.

I'm dreaming playoff. Bowls are irrelevant at this point.

 

[lockjovi]

No offense, but your argument is kind of ridiculous. The whole idea is to match up the best teams. A CCG only gives us one more nugget of judgement on a teams resume. Seems objectively fair to me.

In what world is it fair? Iowa or Michigan State will end up behind OSU all because they had to play one more game against top competition. The team left out only can benefit, hardly fair.

 

[jaysonjohn2012]

The committee has tended to drop teams pretty far after a loss. A loss in the champ game may drop us to 9 or 10.

Even though the Rose has lost its luster it's still means something to be able to say yeah we won a Rose Bowl. 20 years from now, that's what will still be mentioned in the Big 10, how many Rose Bowls you've won.

I think it's partly because the Rose is pretty consistent. For instance, we were in the Orange Bowl. At the the time, a BCS bowl was prestigious thing. But now, no one attributes that to us. The Instability of the BCS and NCAA has meant that the prestige of the Orange Fiesta etc doesn't resonate like it does with the Rose.

 

[El Simbolo]

I think if we beat MSU and OSU is not in CFP then MSU stays above them in rankings and gets Rose. The Committee works for the conferences/bowls/ESPN; they will arrange the non-playoff-consequential rankings to suit who the bowls/conf/TV wants in each game. They did this last year with Miss St and Mich St. So if Rose wants Iowa and the committee can justify it with a close Iowa loss then Iowa will be ranked ahead of OSU.

 

[hawkeyekid]

The committee has tended to drop teams pretty far after a loss. A loss in the champ game may drop us to 9 or 10.

Even though the Rose has lost its luster it's still means something to be able to say yeah we won a Rose Bowl. 20 years from now, that's what will still be mentioned in the Big 10, how many Rose Bowls you've won.

I think it's partly because the Rose is pretty consistent. For instance, we were in the Orange Bowl. At the the time, a BCS bowl was prestigious thing. But now, no one attributes that to us. The Instability of the BCS and NCAA has meant that the prestige of the Orange Fiesta etc doesn't resonate like it does with the Rose.

I highly, highly doubt 20 years from now, number of Rose Bowls won is going to be a major descriptor of a team. It will be playoff appearances, NYE 6 appearances, and NC titles.

 

[soybean]

I know we should all be thinking win vs. Michigan State, but let's talk about our Rose Bowl back up odds should we lose to Michigan State. I think the Rose Bowl would be absolutely stupid not to pick Iowa over OSU.

I know TV ratings play a bigger role, but I just don't think OSU would travel in droves to Pasedena. Don't get me wrong, they've have a nice showing, but I feel Iowa would bring 10-15k more fans considering the circumstances. OSU probably has a little bit of success fatigue among their fan base. I think Iowa would bring 40-50k fans to the Rose.

It's going to come down to the final playoff rankings. I personally don't see how Ohio State could finish ranked ahead of Iowa as long as we score more than 10 points and don't lose by more than 10 points. Ohio State lost at home to Michigan State and they were absolutely shut down. Ohio State gained just 132 yards. They also lost to an MSU playing without their starting quarterback. Their loss also would have come to a lower ranked MSU team. They were ranked 7th or 8th when the beat OSU. I think MSU is going to jump Iowa in the rankings this week to #4.

Ohio State has just 1 win over a top 25 team, and that's going to end up being a #15ish Michigan. Wisconsin should be back in the rankings giving us 2 wins over top 25 teams, and Northwestern should be ranked higher than Michigan giving us a better top 25 win as well.

Our strength of schedules should be very close after we play MSU as well. They'll probably stay in the mid-30's, and we'll probably jump to the high 40's. So they'll have beat in that category.

If we lose to Michigan State by 7 or less then we should be ranked above Ohio State. There's no reason for us not to be. Rose Bowl officials have made it very clear that they will strongly favor the higher ranked team with recency of visits making up a very small part of the equation. If Ohio State does end up ranked ahead of us it shouldn't be by much, and I would hope the Rose Bowl and the B1G would take into consideration OSU was there in 2010, and Iowa hasn't been since 1991. I'd also hope they'd pull some strings for Ferentz considering he's currently the longest tenured coach in the B1G.

You should have stopped right there.

 

[lockjovi]

The regular season is over. Re-ranking teams that didn't qualify for the post-season is silly.

 

[ferentz4life]

The Rose Bowl is a consolation prize now. With a national championship playoff system in place, the Rose Bowl is becoming the football equivalent of the NIT.

Its better than other bowl games for sure but, for me, it has lost a lot of its luster. I'm probably in the minority but as long as the Rose Bowl is outside the championship format, I'm not going to get excited by a potential Rose Bowl invitation.

So, for you it's either we make the playoffs or you won't be "excited" about the bowl Iowa plays in?

Iowa making the Fiesta or Peach does as much for you as making the Rose?

Sorry, I don't know anyone who would be as excited about making the Peach as the Rose. Regardless of how you perceive the Rose, every bowl outside of the playoffs has a pecking order, and in that order, the Rose is #1. And that isn't even debatable.

 

[nu2u]

Iowa making the Fiesta or Peach does as much for you as making the Rose?

I would much rather play an SEC team in Atlanta than a PAC team in LA.

Its my personal preference - I already stated that I'm likely in the minority.

My main point is that the Rose is a consolation prize. I will acknowledge that some consolation prizes are better than others.

 

[nu2u]

TTTTTotally agree. There's nothing like the tradition and grandeur of the Rose Bowl

Except being selected to participate in a national championship play-off.

If you are not selected then yes, Rose Bowl is good consolation.

 

[ih8iast8]

It is almost like OSU gets rewarded for having a week off.

No, OSU will be rewarded for kicking scUMs ass. Had that been a close game I dont think we would be having this discussion.

 

[ferentz4life]

I would much rather play an SEC team in Atlanta than a PAC team in LA.

Its my personal preference - I already stated that I'm likely in the minority.

My main point is that the Rose is a consolation prize. I will acknowledge that some consolation prizes are better than others.

But here's what I don't understand. How many times in history did the Rose Bowl determine the national champion? Not many. And yet, for decades and decades it has been revered as one of the best bowl games out there.

For whatever reason, people act like the playoffs have somehow diminished the significance of the Rose and of the teams playing in it, but the playoffs have done no such thing and history proves this.

 

[ferentz4life]

No, OSU will be rewarded for kicking scUMs ass. Had that been a close game I dont think we would be having this discussion.

But NW will be ranked higher than UM and we beat NW by 30?

 

[nu2u]

For whatever reason, people act like the playoffs have somehow diminished the significance of the Rose and of the teams playing in it

If you don't believe that the Rose Bowl is now less significant, ask any of the teams selected to play for a national championship if they would instead wish to play in the Rose Bowl. Their answer will indicate which option has more significance.

 

[ferentz4life]

If you don't believe that the Rose Bowl is now less significant, ask any of the teams selected to play for a national championship if they would instead wish to play in the Rose Bowl. Their answer will indicate which option has more significance.

That's a different question than the relative prestige of the bowls, both past and present. As stated above, outside of the playoffs (or in the past, whichever game was viewed as deciding the national championship), Rose is and always has been #1.

 

[GPRHAWK]

Stewart Mandel posted yesterday the only way OSU is in the Rose is if Iowa is in the playoffs.

I am starting to hear that too assuming Iowa/MSU is a close game. I'm still skeptical though.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

It is almost like OSU gets rewarded for having a week off.

Apparently. It's basically like when Missouri beat Kansas in 2007, but then lost to Oklahoma in the CCG for their first loss, and Kansas got to go to the Orange Bowl over Missouri.


But I, personally, agree with Stewart Mandel. Only way Ohio State goes to the Rose Bowl is if Iowa wins. So let's win then............

 

[Kinnick4Ever]

As a fan who has traveled to the Rose and several other bowls, I can assure you there is no comparison. Yes, the landscape has changed with the playoffs but seeing the Rose Bowl in person, including the parade, etc., is still something very special.

 

[El Simbolo]

Does Mandel offer up an explanation for his prediction?

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Does Mandel offer up an explanation for his prediction?

No explanation provided.

 

[And1Hawk]

If we lose we will not be ranked higher than OSU. Everyone involved has been waiting for us to lose in order to drop us in the rankings and out of consideration.

If we lose to MSU, the margin of defeat will also play a huge factor in the 'I told you so factor' within the final rankings. It needs to be a close loss if we lose.

Like many I want the Rose over any other bowl game as a consolation prize. It's still the grand daddy of them all. Players from other conferences mention it to this day when their team is mentioned for this bowl game possibilities. Maryland players mentioned the Rose Bowl when interviewed after joining the conference however small that possibility was for them, to give you an idea.

The only other appealing possibility would be to play Notre Dame somewhere.