Of course it is. The NRA is one of the most powerful organizations in the country. Guns are a way of life in this country. It’s all a big pile of shit.
School shooting in Michigan
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I agree with his post but do you think our governor would go along with it?
Hey, she gave out some Ts and Ps to the victims.
Yep. Get rid of guns. They are glorified in this country. Unless you hunt or actually live off the land (which is about 1% of the population) the rest of the population doesn’t need guns.
Or, stick to the definition of a well regulated militia, and reverse the judicial activism of Antonin Scalia and his gun lobby money.
Well than nothing is ever going to change. So keep saying T’s and P’s while elementary and middle school and high school kids have 5-7 mass shootings a year. Or more in the future.
Omg my heart started beating and I’m watching in the comfort of my home.
Well we could stop letting twits reframe the issue. We all know what the problem is but the bastardization of how the 2nd Amendment is interpreted has won out. These are the headlines we get and the reality of this bastardization.
Iowa is similar. When I taught kids with BDs I had to use those 10 suspension days carefully. Kids knew not to get suspended by me because I would make sure to buy the rest of the class lunch or take them to a movie while that student was gone.
Evidently he did not purchase the gun. But his dad did. A week ago.
https://pantagraph.com/news/nationa...cle_45a838b4-b832-5fcb-9cdf-1d72c7d65c2a.html
It's possible. We just don't want to.
Modern Second Amendment jurisprudence is judicial activism on steroids.
Moar guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Love this stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid thinking.
Let's just throw our hands up and do nothing then. Seems to be working so well.
Start charging the parents for not locking up their guns, or start charging the people selling them to kids. Make them equally culpable.
They do. And they should.
In the 1970s 53% of US households had a firearm. Now it’s around 40%.
350,000,000 Americans.
…..3,000,000 deaths per year.
………….14,000 firearm homicides.
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Soon after the Columbine High School shooting in 1999, senior leaders of the National Rifle Association huddled on a conference call to consider canceling their annual convention, scheduled just days later and a few miles away.
Thirteen people lay dead at a high school in Colorado. More than 20 were injured. Images of students running from the school were looped on TV. The NRA strategists on the call sounded shaken and panicked as they pondered their next step into what would become an era of routine and horrific mass school shootings.
And in those private moments, the NRA considered a strikingly more sympathetic posture toward mass shootings than the uncompromising stance it has taken publicly in the decades since, even considering a $1 million fund to care for the victims.
NPR has obtained more than 2 1/2 hours of recordings of those private meetings after the Columbine shooting, which offer unique insight into the NRA's deliberations in the wake of this crisis — and how it has struggled to develop what has become its standard response to school shootings ever since.
"Everything we do here has a downside," NRA official Kayne Robinson says on the tapes. "Don't anybody kid yourself about this great macho thing of going down there and showing our chest and showing how damn tough we are. ... We are in deep s*** on this deal. ... And so anything we do here is going to be a matter of trying to decide the best of a whole bunch of very, very bad choices."
The tapes of the NRA discussions were recorded secretly by a participant and shared on the condition that the participant's name not be divulged. NPR has taken steps to verify the tapes' authenticity, including by confirming the identities of those speaking on the tapes with two sources and comparing the voices on the calls with publicly available audio.
In addition to mapping out their national strategy, NRA leaders can also be heard describing the organization's more activist members in surprisingly harsh terms, deriding them as "hillbillies" and "fruitcakes" who might go off script after Columbine and embarrass them.
And they dismiss conservative politicians and gun industry representatives as largely inconsequential players, saying they will do whatever the NRA proposes. Members of Congress, one participant says, have asked the NRA to "secretly provide them with talking points."
Asked for comment, a current NRA spokesperson said, "It is disappointing that anyone would promote an editorial agenda against the NRA by using shadowy sources and 'mystery tapes' in order to conjure up the tragic events of over 20 years ago."
The Columbine shooting in Littleton, Colo., was at the time the deadliest school shooting since the late 1960s, threatening to provide a tragic backdrop to the NRA's previously scheduled annual convention in Denver. Billboards advertising a "World Class Guns & Gear Expo" already peppered the city. Meanwhile, hate mail began arriving at the NRA's offices.
One day after the shootings, the NRA's top executives, officials, lobbyists and public relations strategists all scrambled on to a conference call to deal with the crisis. Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre is on the line, as is longtime NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer and advertising strategist Angus McQueen, among others. The dilemma they face is apparent in their conversations.
"At that same period where they're going to be burying these children, we're going to be having media ... trying to run through the exhibit hall, looking at kids fondling firearms, which is going to be a horrible, horrible, horrible juxtaposition," says NRA lobbyist Jim Baker on the conference call.
Thirteen people lay dead at a high school in Colorado. More than 20 were injured. Images of students running from the school were looped on TV. The NRA strategists on the call sounded shaken and panicked as they pondered their next step into what would become an era of routine and horrific mass school shootings.
And in those private moments, the NRA considered a strikingly more sympathetic posture toward mass shootings than the uncompromising stance it has taken publicly in the decades since, even considering a $1 million fund to care for the victims.
NPR has obtained more than 2 1/2 hours of recordings of those private meetings after the Columbine shooting, which offer unique insight into the NRA's deliberations in the wake of this crisis — and how it has struggled to develop what has become its standard response to school shootings ever since.
"Everything we do here has a downside," NRA official Kayne Robinson says on the tapes. "Don't anybody kid yourself about this great macho thing of going down there and showing our chest and showing how damn tough we are. ... We are in deep s*** on this deal. ... And so anything we do here is going to be a matter of trying to decide the best of a whole bunch of very, very bad choices."
The tapes of the NRA discussions were recorded secretly by a participant and shared on the condition that the participant's name not be divulged. NPR has taken steps to verify the tapes' authenticity, including by confirming the identities of those speaking on the tapes with two sources and comparing the voices on the calls with publicly available audio.
In addition to mapping out their national strategy, NRA leaders can also be heard describing the organization's more activist members in surprisingly harsh terms, deriding them as "hillbillies" and "fruitcakes" who might go off script after Columbine and embarrass them.
And they dismiss conservative politicians and gun industry representatives as largely inconsequential players, saying they will do whatever the NRA proposes. Members of Congress, one participant says, have asked the NRA to "secretly provide them with talking points."
Asked for comment, a current NRA spokesperson said, "It is disappointing that anyone would promote an editorial agenda against the NRA by using shadowy sources and 'mystery tapes' in order to conjure up the tragic events of over 20 years ago."
The Columbine shooting in Littleton, Colo., was at the time the deadliest school shooting since the late 1960s, threatening to provide a tragic backdrop to the NRA's previously scheduled annual convention in Denver. Billboards advertising a "World Class Guns & Gear Expo" already peppered the city. Meanwhile, hate mail began arriving at the NRA's offices.
One day after the shootings, the NRA's top executives, officials, lobbyists and public relations strategists all scrambled on to a conference call to deal with the crisis. Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre is on the line, as is longtime NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer and advertising strategist Angus McQueen, among others. The dilemma they face is apparent in their conversations.
"At that same period where they're going to be burying these children, we're going to be having media ... trying to run through the exhibit hall, looking at kids fondling firearms, which is going to be a horrible, horrible, horrible juxtaposition," says NRA lobbyist Jim Baker on the conference call.
Read more and listen to the tape at:A secret tape made after Columbine shows the NRA's evolution on school shootings
You're right. Almost 250 years ago when people rode horses around and needed guns as a way of survival. Guns aren't needed anymore for any of that. It's just all excuses at this point. Which is also why hardly anyone even wants to respond in this thread. We've just given up and accepted it as part of our lifestyles. We're not fighting the British, crossing the mountains to head West and fight off bears and such. We are supposed to be a civilized society. Maybe in a few weeks we'll have a shooting at a UPS, or Amazon facility, or even another school. Nobody really gives 2 fu%%s.
Dad should be charged as an accessory and sentenced to life.
Being that this occurred in Michigan, I'm waiting for Dad's name to come out. Militia type? Buying a hand gun with 3 clips and ammunition 4 days before the shooting......hmmmm.
It was Black Friday sale. Nobody can pass up a Bargain.
Actually, the original definition of militia has been shown multiple times on this forum.
The dad is responsible for this. He did not buy 3 clips though.
Im curious as to what you perceive to be the relevance of this
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Unbelievable how many more kids and teachers will die in a school before this god forsaken country does something about it.
Restrict guns like you want to restrict abortions and I can start to get on board with your “pro life” arguments.
And if you don’t want to restrict guns, make adult owners 100% responsible for any crimes committed by minors in the possession of their fire arms. And if the shooting is on school property, automatic death penalty…but even that wouldn’t solve it because a number don’t get captured alive.
insane that this is allowed to happen here and it’s “ho-hum, thoughts and prayers….wish we could prevent it”
Restrict guns like you want to restrict abortions and I can start to get on board with your “pro life” arguments.
And if you don’t want to restrict guns, make adult owners 100% responsible for any crimes committed by minors in the possession of their fire arms. And if the shooting is on school property, automatic death penalty…but even that wouldn’t solve it because a number don’t get captured alive.
insane that this is allowed to happen here and it’s “ho-hum, thoughts and prayers….wish we could prevent it”
You know, round up the “militia” we’re going after that guy. Makes a lot of sense 250 years later.
I am in 100% agreement that there should be strict civil liability to any firearm owners for any injuries their firearm causes by anyone; even criminal liability should be on the table but that might be tougher sell for someone who had their firearm stolen or taken without their permission to carry out a crime.
Big picture, the other issue is the needle in a haystack analogy. There are 330 million people in the usa and maybe 100-200 of those 330,000,000 people will carry out a mass shooting tradegy at a school or church or mall or wal mart style in their lifetime. The cold truth is it is still extremely unlikely someone will perish in one of these events; from the linked article:
The lifetime risk of dying in a mass shooting is around 1 in 110,154 — about the same chance of dying from a dog attack or legal execution.
This doesn’t mean that I am pro this or that. What can be done that would identify the proverbial needle in a haystack person from carrying out their wishes, firearm or driving a vehicle into a crowd which is becoming a popular way to commit a mass killing?
Perspective is important because throwing an overwhelming amount of money and political capital in attempt to stop mass shootings from happening may not really have any effect at all.
In my opinion, the best way to approach this issue is local: parents, students, teachers, counselors and others have to take a larger role in mitigating the mass shooting risk.
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Big picture, the other issue is the needle in a haystack analogy. There are 330 million people in the usa and maybe 100-200 of those 330,000,000 people will carry out a mass shooting tradegy at a school or church or mall or wal mart style in their lifetime. The cold truth is it is still extremely unlikely someone will perish in one of these events; from the linked article:
The lifetime risk of dying in a mass shooting is around 1 in 110,154 — about the same chance of dying from a dog attack or legal execution.
This doesn’t mean that I am pro this or that. What can be done that would identify the proverbial needle in a haystack person from carrying out their wishes, firearm or driving a vehicle into a crowd which is becoming a popular way to commit a mass killing?
Perspective is important because throwing an overwhelming amount of money and political capital in attempt to stop mass shootings from happening may not really have any effect at all.
In my opinion, the best way to approach this issue is local: parents, students, teachers, counselors and others have to take a larger role in mitigating the mass shooting risk.
Healthline: Medical information and health advice you can trust.
We're committed to being your source for expert health guidance. Come to us in your pursuit of wellness.
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What would the bolded stat be if someone couldn't get a gun and could only get a knife or something like that?I am in 100% agreement that there should be strict civil liability to any firearm owners for any injuries their firearm causes by anyone; even criminal liability should be on the table but that might be tougher sell for someone who had their firearm stolen or taken without their permission to carry out a crime.
Big picture, the other issue is the needle in a haystack analogy. There are 330 million people in the usa and maybe 100-200 of those 330,000,000 people will carry out a mass shooting tradegy at a school or church or mall or wal mart style in their lifetime. The cold truth is it is still extremely unlikely someone will perish in one of these events; from the linked article:
The lifetime risk of dying in a mass shooting is around 1 in 110,154 — about the same chance of dying from a dog attack or legal execution.
This doesn’t mean that I am pro this or that. What can be done that would identify the proverbial needle in a haystack person from carrying out their wishes, firearm or driving a vehicle into a crowd which is becoming a popular way to commit a mass killing.
Perspective is important because throwing an overwhelming amount of money and political capital in attempt to stop mass shootings from happening may not really have any effect at all.
In my opinion, the best way to approach this issue is local: parents, students, teachers, counselors and others have to take a larger role in mitigating the mass shooting risk.
Healthline: Medical information and health advice you can trust.
We're committed to being your source for expert health guidance. Come to us in your pursuit of wellness.
maybe less but if they can turn a key on an ignition.. they could probably kill more than they could with a firearm.
And, yet they don't need to resort to that... and would be much harder to kill/injure as many unsuspecting kids/shoppers when you'd have to randomly run down 1-2 people in a parking lot in a car.
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