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School shooting in Michigan

And, yet they don't need to resort to that... and would be much harder to kill/injure as many unsuspecting kids/shoppers when you'd have to randomly run down 1-2 people in a parking lot in a car.
I don’t know about that. A little planning is all it would take… do a little research and find a time when their will be a large group present on a sidewalk, take mother’s keys, or get a truck and speed up and smash into the large group at 40 mph has more potential for mass killing.
 
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Supposedly a bunch of students didn’t show up to school this day because they knew there was going to be a shooting. Unreal.
 
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Waukesha?
A parade is different than a kid going into a school. Just don't see a kid looking up when the next parade in the area is going to be to plan his attack on the American Legion or Optimist Club. At best, a kid would need to be sitting in the school lot waiting for who the target would be and with a running start it would be much harder to get whoever it is vs walking up to someone in a classroom and pulling a gun.
 
My son knows one of the kids in the classroom from the video through kicking camps. They communicated last night after it happened. Very scary and awful. One of the kids football teammates was one of the deceased.
 
Supposedly a bunch of students didn’t show up to school this day because they knew there was going to be a shooting. Unreal.

To be fair we had a day like that when I was in high school and no shooting happened.

So the cops apparently found 2 people who had a plan to shoot up the school . . . not sure if they had means but they had a plan and a list of people they wanted to kill. They wanted to do this on the anniversary of Columbine.

Rumor started up that they had a 3rd unknown shooter. So on the anniversary of Columbine half of the students didn't show up to school that day. Never seen the cafeteria so empty. I was there because I didn't want to give into fear and rumors.
 
A parade is different than a kid going into a school. Just don't see a kid looking up when the next parade in the area is going to be to plan his attack on the American Legion or Optimist Club. At best, a kid would need to be sitting in the school lot waiting for who the target would be and with a running start it would be much harder to get whoever it is vs walking up to someone in a classroom and pulling a gun.
So it's really about the gun rather than the intent to kill people using whatever method is available?
 
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So it's really about the gun rather than the intent to kill people using whatever method is available?
If that's how you view it, but I don't think you can argue that a gun is easier to conceal and use on a group of people vs a car. Now, can a car or truck do damage... of course especially at a parade or in large crowds before or after a concert or sporting event. But a kid with a vendetta is going to find a mission of revenge much easier with a gun than a knife, car or whatever else.
 
The dad may have bought it, but the kid murderer certainly seemed to think it's his.

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I guess I should watch the news, busy at work today and knew nothing of this.

You wouldn't believe how many shitty parents are out there, these kids don't have to grow up to be monsters.
 
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Nah gotta protect the kids from critical race theory in schools, not from getting shot


Here's the kid who killed four people. Heartbreaking how something in his life drove him to do the unthinkable.

 
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Another white terrorist. Sigh.
Each day on average, 26 Black Americans are killed by guns and 104 experience non-fatal injuries. So they're not shooting up schools, they're either shooting each other in their neighborhoods OR being shot by police. As we've washed, rinsed, repeated on here a million times this country needs to look very hard at:

- Mental health
- Income disparity
- Better gun control measures like, gun trafficking prevention, close gun show loopholes, better background checks, etc.
- Violence intervention programs

I've been watching the Mayor of Kingstown. Sure, it's fiction....but it really isn't.

"Mayor of Kingstown follows the powerful McLusky family, power brokers in Kingstown, Michigan, where the business of incarceration is the only thriving industry. Tackling themes of systemic racism, corruption and inequality, the series provides a stark look at their attempt to bring order and justice to a town that has neither."
 
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Great song. Will have very little impact otherwise on the victim's families.

Kyrie eleison is more or less my reaction to it. Not a reference to the song.

Honestly there is nothing that could be done to help them right now. We could at least try to prevent this but we won't.

Years ago someone mowed down a dozen elementary aged kids and we did nothing. 4 or 5 dead high school kids in Michigan isn't going to change anyone's mind.
 
Each day on average, 26 Black Americans are killed by guns and 104 experience non-fatal injuries. So they're not shooting up schools, they're either shooting each other in their neighborhoods OR being shot by police. As we've washed, rinsed, repeated on here a million times this country needs to look very hard at:

- Mental health
- Income disparity
- Better gun control measures like, gun trafficking prevention, close gun show loopholes, better background checks, etc.
- Violence intervention programs

I've been watching the Mayor of Kingstown. Sure, it's fiction....but it really isn't.

"Mayor of Kingstown follows the powerful McLusky family, power brokers in Kingstown, Michigan, where the business of incarceration is the only thriving industry. Tackling themes of systemic racism, corruption and inequality, the series provides a stark look at their attempt to bring order and justice to a town that has neither."
Please explain the gunshow loophole to me.

Also, go to your nearest mall or Walmart, look around, then get back to us and tell us why half the people there should make an income equal to people who've taken the time to develop actual skills.
 
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Please explain the gunshow loophole to me.

Also, go to your nearest mall or Walmart, look around, then get back to us and tell us why half the people there should make an income equal to people who've taken the time to develop actual skills.
You really need that explained? It's not a hard concept to understand, but here ya go. It's essentially the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not require a federal background check of the buyer. I posted before, I flew to Florida to get my dad's guns because he's bi-polar w/ schizophrenic tendencies and should NOT own guns. There's no record of that transfer. I also recently acquired all of my FIL's guns because he has dementia. No record of that either. The same thing happens at gun shows...buy whatever the frack you want.

UPDATE: My dad has sense had another manic episode and required 2x the guns I took from him and NOTHING can be done about it.

Also, go to your nearest mall or Walmart, look around, then get back to us and tell us why half the people there should make an income equal to people who've taken the time to develop actual skills.
Wow, you really simplified that one, didn't ya?

Income disparity is a huge issue in this country and racism is used as the scapegoat.
 
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100% agree

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Sadly, none of the current gun control measures on the table would have stopped this one. This one appears to be on the parent (from an acquisition viewpoint). This is why I'm such an advocate for a wholistic approach to the problem, mental health, anti-bullying, violence prevention, etc. If this kid was bullied, why was it happening? If that was stopped, access to a gun wouldn't have mattered.
 


Here's the kid who killed four people. Heartbreaking how something in his life drove him to do the unthinkable.

Kids parents seem checked out. Severe depression and access to fire arms. What could go wrong.
 
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What are some practical solutions that can be done without the consternation of all the political muck that comes with school shootings:

A countrywide streamlined process on how to handle problem students who have shown some signs. Seems like most kids who shoot up schools have shown many tell tail signs to others. But they still do it.

Put an extremely high priority on entry choke points with schools. Corporate America has better security protocols to get into call centers and whatnot than a lot of schools.

The federal government could cover the cost of trained security guards for all schools. Seems like a high cost, but a drop in the bucket compared to what they could prevent.
 
Also, go to your nearest mall or Walmart, look around, then get back to us and tell us why half the people there should make an income equal to people who've taken the time to develop actual skills.
After 2020 I think most people see the value of these "unskilled" workers. No one is saying they should earn as much as a doctor, lawyer, ceo, etc., but working 40 hrs a week at any job should provide enough income for food, clothing, and shelter. As the saying goes "the world needs ditch diggers too."
 
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