Senate GOP report argues lab leak theory is most likely origin of covid

cigaretteman

HR King
May 29, 2001
72,976
52,651
113
And we all know that all Senate Republicans are eminent virologists!:

Senate Republican staffers have produced a report laying out their argument that the most likely origin of the coronavirus pandemic was some kind of “research-related incident” in China, citing safety lapses in laboratories there and arguing that there are evidentiary gaps in published scientific research that points to a natural origin from animals sold at a market in Wuhan.


The report, while not a formal scientific document, represents a possible template for a future investigatory hearing in Congress if Republicans gain control of the House or Senate — or both — following the midterm elections. The so-called lab leak theory is a talking point for some Republicans seeking office, and Sen. Rand Paul (R.-Ky.) has promised hearings if his party wins the Senate.
The 35-page “interim” report released Thursday comes from Sen. Richard Burr (R.-N.C.) and Republican staffers on the Senate Health Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which has been probing the origin of the virus.







Although the report favors the “lab leak” origin, it does not rule out a market origin. The report also does not indulge the more provocative conspiracy theories for how SARS-CoV-2 entered the human population. There is no claim that the virus was engineered as a bioweapon, for example.
Nor does it mention Anthony S. Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who has been a frequent target of Paul and other lab leak proponents because his institute helped fund virus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The report takes issue with two peer-reviewed studies published in the journal Science this summer that presented the case for the Huanan Seafood Market as the epicenter of the outbreak. One study found a geographical bull's eye on the market among early cases of the disease that came to be called covid-19. The other study presented an analysis of two early strains of the virus suggesting that there were two and maybe many more distinct spillovers of the virus from animals sold at the market.



What the market-origin hypothesis lacks is the identity of the animals infected with the virus.
“Critical corroborating evidence of a natural zoonotic spillover is missing. While the absence of evidence is not itself evidence, the lack of corroborating evidence of a zoonotic spillover or spillovers, three years into the pandemic, is highly problematic,” the new GOP report states.
Michael Worobey, a professor at the University of Arizona who co-authored both studies published in Science, said the new GOP report “gets the science completely wrong.”
“As the saying goes, when you mix science and politics, you get politics,” he said.
Worobey said the hypothesis of some kind of laboratory incident was worth investigating, and he was among the scientists who wrote a letter to Science in May 2021 arguing that all possible origins should be probed. But he said his investigations and those of other scientists point to a market origin. Although it’s true that no animals were found with the virus, there were none tested at the market before it was closed and cleaned in the earliest days of the outbreak, he said.



He said he is willing to testify if the Republicans call hearings.
Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan and co-author of one of the Science papers, dismissed the new GOP report as “speculative hand-waving” and views it as a partisan document.
“This is in service of trying to set up something that would be politically advantageous for one party,” she said. “It’s to make it easier to have essentially show trials for people’s adversaries, which has unfortunately come to include scientists.”
The report lands in the final days of an election cycle where multiple Republicans — including Paul, who sits on the health panel — have accused Fauci of hiding information about the virus’ origins.

“We owe it to the Americans who have lost their lives to the virus, their families, and those still struggling with the pandemic’s societal and economic consequences, to continue investigating the coronavirus’s origins,” Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) said in a statement Thursday, calling on Fauci to “release all texts, emails, communications, and grant records completely and without redactions.”


Burr, who is retiring this year, has taken a more conciliatory approach with Fauci, praising the longtime government scientist’s work at a hearing last month and attempting to focus the report on broader questions of biosafety.
While concluding that a research-related incident is the “most likely” origin of the outbreak, the new report stops well short of a case-closed declaration. Burr’s introductory note is equivocal.

“This conclusion is not intended to be dispositive,” it states. “The lack of transparency from government and public health officials in the [People’s Republic of China] with respect to the origins of SARS-CoV-2 prevents reaching a more definitive conclusion. Should additional information be made publicly available, and subject to independent verification, it is possible that these conclusions would be subject to review and reconsideration.”


The panel’s report was steered by Robert Kadlec, an adviser to Burr who served as assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Trump administration.
Some health officials, including Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the Trump administration, have reiterated their belief that a lab-leak in China is the most likely cause of the pandemic.

“I think you’re going to see the preponderance of the evidence for the origins of covid-19 is that it didn’t come from natural origins. That’s my own view,” Redfield told a House committee investigating the government’s coronavirus response in March.
In a statement on Thursday, the panel’s top Democrat reiterated that a separate probe into the origins of the virus is ongoing.
n 2021, I announced a bipartisan oversight effort with Sen. Burr into the origins of this virus. The HELP Committee is continuing bipartisan work on this oversight report,” said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), the Senate health committee’s chair.

 

lucas80

HR King
Gold Member
Jan 30, 2008
99,678
132,272
113
What does the lab leak theory have to do with Trump?
Must. Protect. Orange Jesus. He can’t be blamed for his disastrous response of it was a plot by the Chinese. Oh, and I realize you are totally a middle of the road guy. You never defend Trump. You voted for him twice, but you just can’t stand him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fsu1jreed

binsfeldcyhawk2

HR Legend
Gold Member
Oct 13, 2006
27,502
37,064
113
Whatever it takes to polish the image of Orange Jesus.
How does it possibly coming from a lab polish the turds image?

This attitude kind of explains why the theory was considered "misinformation" though....TDS had far reaching and damaging effects.
 
  • Like
Reactions: onlyTheObvious

ihhawk

HR Legend
Feb 4, 2004
23,115
20,017
113
Fort Lauderdale
Must. Protect. Orange Jesus. He can’t be blamed for his disastrous response of it was a plot by the Chinese. Oh, and I realize you are totally a middle of the road guy. You never defend Trump. You voted for him twice, but you just can’t stand him.
And there it is. The reason why liberals are so against the logic that it is a lab leak.

the reasoning is absolutely stupid though. If it came from a lab accident or a Chinese person eating the bat, that doesn’t change your opinion of the response.

and Thank god Biden wasn’t the president when it happened
 

hawkland14

HR Heisman
Gold Member
Feb 26, 2013
7,786
7,988
113
Must. Protect. Orange Jesus. He can’t be blamed for his disastrous response of it was a plot by the Chinese. Oh, and I realize you are totally a middle of the road guy. You never defend Trump. You voted for him twice, but you just can’t stand him.
Never voted for him lucas. Have mentioned that many times as well.
 

Hoosierhawkeye

HR Legend
Sep 16, 2008
48,173
40,941
113
40
What does the lab leak theory have to do with Trump?

I think it's implicitly about making the Chinese the big boogie men threats as opposed to the Russians.

Don't get me wrong China is a threat. . . but the R's really stepped in it but getting real close with Putin and now they want to deflect from that and point the finger elsewhere.
 

Joes Place

HR King
Aug 28, 2003
127,335
124,709
113
And we all know that all Senate Republicans are eminent virologists!:

Senate Republican staffers have produced a report laying out their argument that the most likely origin of the coronavirus pandemic was some kind of “research-related incident” in China, citing safety lapses in laboratories there and arguing that there are evidentiary gaps in published scientific research that points to a natural origin from animals sold at a market in Wuhan.


The report, while not a formal scientific document, represents a possible template for a future investigatory hearing in Congress if Republicans gain control of the House or Senate — or both — following the midterm elections. The so-called lab leak theory is a talking point for some Republicans seeking office, and Sen. Rand Paul (R.-Ky.) has promised hearings if his party wins the Senate.
The 35-page “interim” report released Thursday comes from Sen. Richard Burr (R.-N.C.) and Republican staffers on the Senate Health Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which has been probing the origin of the virus.







Although the report favors the “lab leak” origin, it does not rule out a market origin. The report also does not indulge the more provocative conspiracy theories for how SARS-CoV-2 entered the human population. There is no claim that the virus was engineered as a bioweapon, for example.
Nor does it mention Anthony S. Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who has been a frequent target of Paul and other lab leak proponents because his institute helped fund virus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The report takes issue with two peer-reviewed studies published in the journal Science this summer that presented the case for the Huanan Seafood Market as the epicenter of the outbreak. One study found a geographical bull's eye on the market among early cases of the disease that came to be called covid-19. The other study presented an analysis of two early strains of the virus suggesting that there were two and maybe many more distinct spillovers of the virus from animals sold at the market.



What the market-origin hypothesis lacks is the identity of the animals infected with the virus.
“Critical corroborating evidence of a natural zoonotic spillover is missing. While the absence of evidence is not itself evidence, the lack of corroborating evidence of a zoonotic spillover or spillovers, three years into the pandemic, is highly problematic,” the new GOP report states.
Michael Worobey, a professor at the University of Arizona who co-authored both studies published in Science, said the new GOP report “gets the science completely wrong.”
“As the saying goes, when you mix science and politics, you get politics,” he said.
Worobey said the hypothesis of some kind of laboratory incident was worth investigating, and he was among the scientists who wrote a letter to Science in May 2021 arguing that all possible origins should be probed. But he said his investigations and those of other scientists point to a market origin. Although it’s true that no animals were found with the virus, there were none tested at the market before it was closed and cleaned in the earliest days of the outbreak, he said.



He said he is willing to testify if the Republicans call hearings.
Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan and co-author of one of the Science papers, dismissed the new GOP report as “speculative hand-waving” and views it as a partisan document.
“This is in service of trying to set up something that would be politically advantageous for one party,” she said. “It’s to make it easier to have essentially show trials for people’s adversaries, which has unfortunately come to include scientists.”
The report lands in the final days of an election cycle where multiple Republicans — including Paul, who sits on the health panel — have accused Fauci of hiding information about the virus’ origins.

“We owe it to the Americans who have lost their lives to the virus, their families, and those still struggling with the pandemic’s societal and economic consequences, to continue investigating the coronavirus’s origins,” Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) said in a statement Thursday, calling on Fauci to “release all texts, emails, communications, and grant records completely and without redactions.”


Burr, who is retiring this year, has taken a more conciliatory approach with Fauci, praising the longtime government scientist’s work at a hearing last month and attempting to focus the report on broader questions of biosafety.
While concluding that a research-related incident is the “most likely” origin of the outbreak, the new report stops well short of a case-closed declaration. Burr’s introductory note is equivocal.

“This conclusion is not intended to be dispositive,” it states. “The lack of transparency from government and public health officials in the [People’s Republic of China] with respect to the origins of SARS-CoV-2 prevents reaching a more definitive conclusion. Should additional information be made publicly available, and subject to independent verification, it is possible that these conclusions would be subject to review and reconsideration.”


The panel’s report was steered by Robert Kadlec, an adviser to Burr who served as assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Trump administration.
Some health officials, including Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the Trump administration, have reiterated their belief that a lab-leak in China is the most likely cause of the pandemic.

“I think you’re going to see the preponderance of the evidence for the origins of covid-19 is that it didn’t come from natural origins. That’s my own view,” Redfield told a House committee investigating the government’s coronavirus response in March.
In a statement on Thursday, the panel’s top Democrat reiterated that a separate probe into the origins of the virus is ongoing.
n 2021, I announced a bipartisan oversight effort with Sen. Burr into the origins of this virus. The HELP Committee is continuing bipartisan work on this oversight report,” said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), the Senate health committee’s chair.


Well....they know more about women's vaginas than women do.

So, their medical credentials check out, yo!!!!
 

ihhawk

HR Legend
Feb 4, 2004
23,115
20,017
113
Fort Lauderdale
I think it's implicitly about making the Chinese the big boogie men threats as opposed to the Russians.

Don't get me wrong China is a threat. . . but the R's really stepped in it but getting real close with Putin and now they want to deflect from that and point the finger elsewhere.
This makes absolutely no sense. Either way it came from China. If it is because of eating bats, try at just makes people think those folks are weird.

People can understand if it was an accident in a lab. The main issue for China in that situation is that financial liability may come into play
 

Joes Place

HR King
Aug 28, 2003
127,335
124,709
113
I was commenting on Hoosiers post. Why would it make China the boogie man if it was a lab accident vs eating bats

Why is the "lab leak" theory so important to you?

The reality is that PAST virus emergents HAVE come from the wet markets, and scientists around the world have encouraged China to ELIMINATE those wet markets to lower the threat of new outbreaks.

Your "lab leak" posture, minimally supported by any actual evidence, takes the heat off China from closing those wet markets and supporting their food needs through agricultural/farming means.

Wet markets remaining in existence practically guarantees another Covid-like virus spilling out into the world. That's a lot more concerning to me than a "lab".
 

ihhawk

HR Legend
Feb 4, 2004
23,115
20,017
113
Fort Lauderdale
Why is the "lab leak" theory so important to you?

The reality is that PAST virus emergents HAVE come from the wet markets, and scientists around the world have encouraged China to ELIMINATE those wet markets to lower the threat of new outbreaks.

Your "lab leak" posture, minimally supported by any actual evidence, takes the heat off China from closing those wet markets and supporting their food needs through agricultural/farming means.

Wet markets remaining in existence practically guarantees another Covid-like virus spilling out into the world. That's a lot more concerning to me than a "lab".
Of course the wet market should be closed.

However, I’m a heck of a lot more concerned about lab accidents. We should all be.
 

Joes Place

HR King
Aug 28, 2003
127,335
124,709
113
Of course the wet market should be closed.

However, I’m a heck of a lot more concerned about lab accidents. We should all be.
Wet markets are a bigger risk.

Which maybe is why someone who wants to keep them going (so they don't have a massive famine and civil unrest) wants to keep "lab leak" theories going to distract from the real problem
 

Joes Place

HR King
Aug 28, 2003
127,335
124,709
113
Did Sen. Inhofe show up on the Senate floor with one of these, as "proof"?

mondo-coronavirus-stress-ball.jpg
 

ihhawk

HR Legend
Feb 4, 2004
23,115
20,017
113
Fort Lauderdale
One big component of the lab accident theory is that the international community needs to enforce lab safety protocols. Evidently the older Wuhan lab was known to have safety issues