“We Need a Covid Commission” – Bill Maher Says Fauci and Democrats Refuse to Admit They Got It Wrong

[KFsdisciple]

My favorite part was when they tried to convince everyone that your mask didn't protect you, it protected others.

Like asking your friend to wear a condom so you don't knock up your girl friend... and SMART people bought into that BS Hook Line and Sinker.

 

[sober_teacher]

What is ‘better’ today? The overuse of vaccines, antibiotics and prescription drugs? America is the unhealthiest developed country on earth…shouldn’t we be the best?

The only thing that’s changed in regard to masks is their mass production. They still can’t prevent the inhalation/exhalation of aerosols. Only thing that’ll do that are scba’s.

Whether or not vaccines, antibiotics and prescription drugs are overused is not the question, some are, some are not and I don’t pretend to be anything like a medical expert to opine on that.

What I was responding to your post that

Exactly. And they learned from the Spanish Flu a hundred years prior that A) masks were useless and B) the most effective weapon was the stockpiling of antibiotics to treat/prevent bacterial pneumonia.

Going all in on rushing a vaccine into the market was a disaster.

If you’re going to argue that medical care hasn’t improved, that the masks they use in hospitals aren’t better than what they had back then, I don’t know what to tell you.

Effective use of vaccines has effectively eliminated several major diseases, such as polio, in the US.

As to whether or not we’re the unhealthiest developed country? I’d argue there’s a lot more that goes into that - like lack of exercise, how much food we eat, etc that goes into that than medical practices.

 

[hawkedoff]

No one knows the "exact" number.
But we know that number is >1.2M Americans.

No. We don't know that at all.

 

[KFsdisciple]

No. We don't know that at all.

But it sounds good though! We can just pull numbers right out of our ass and call it science! trust the experts!

 

[hawkedoff]

Whether or not vaccines, antibiotics and prescription drugs are overused is not the question, some are, some are not and I don’t pretend to be anything like a medical expert to opine on that.

What I was responding to your post that

If you’re going to argue that medical care hasn’t improved, that the masks they use in hospitals aren’t better than what they had back then, I don’t know what to tell you.

Effective use of vaccines has effectively eliminated several major diseases, such as polio, in the US.

As to whether or not we’re the unhealthiest developed country? I’d argue there’s a lot more that goes into that - like lack of exercise, how much food we eat, etc that goes into that than medical practices.

Polio vaccine you say ....

Guessing you weren't aware of how effed our first vaccine for polio was and the harm it caused

The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[hawkedoff]

But it sounds good though! We can just pull numbers right out of our ass and call it science! trust the experts!

Funny how flu deaths virtually disappeared during covid. They were all covid deaths

 

[KFsdisciple]

Funny how flu deaths virtually disappeared during covid. They were all covid deaths

EVERY death was a covid death. Those numbers were so exaggerated.

 

[Joes Place]

Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.

N95/P2 respirators

Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned. (Cochran.org)
😷🤡

Yes; we know that in healthcare settings, and enclosed spaces, where people spend many hours, masks will be of minimal value.

But in other routine settings, where exposure times are much shorter, they appear to work pretty well. No one has claimed they're 100% effective.

 

[Joes Place]

Funny how flu deaths virtually disappeared during covid.

That's because masks & distancing pretty much eliminated flu transmission.

 

[Joes Place]

I thought Trump was roundly condemned for not doing anything re: covid?

Who claimed he "didn't do anything"?

He routinely spread misinformation, spud.

"15 cases, down to zero"
"Shine a flashlight up your butt"
"Drink cleaning solution/bleach"

 

[Joes Place]

Yeah, when you predicted 2.5 million deaths in the US in the first year.

No, I did not.

I posted graphics showing you where the trends were headed IF we did not take dramatic measures to limit the spread in the first months.

We TOOK those measures, Cletus.

 

[Joes Place]

What is ‘better’ today? The overuse of vaccines

Vaccines are the primary reason we have few childhood deaths, anymore.

You and your buddies are trying to turn that around, with measles and polio outbreaks, though...

 

[Joes Place]

My favorite part was when they tried to convince everyone that your mask didn't protect you, it protected others.

It actually DOES limit how much you expose others, when you are the one infected, idiot.
That's well-established, now.

 

[Joes Place]

EVERY death was a covid death. Those numbers were so exaggerated.

Nope; just the ones listed on the Death Certificates.

Which has been explained to you, over and over again.

 

[KFsdisciple]

It actually DOES limit how much you expose others, when you are the one infected, idiot.
That's well-established, now.

Others wearing a mask or not wearing a mask? Be careful how you answer this one genius.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Back to the same old One Trick Pony, shit.

We've been over this, many times. Covid deaths were treated the same as flu deaths.

This just might be your biggest whopper ever. When have we ever counted accidents as flu deaths?

Everything about covid was a lie.

CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen admitted in a column, Friday, that the medical community is “overcounting” the amount of “COVID deaths and hospitalizations.”

The article is titled, “We are overcountingCOVID deaths and hospitalizations. That’s a problem.”

Wen began her column with some apparent skepticism about the CDC’s latest COVID-19 death stats: “According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United States is experiencing around 400 COVID deaths every day. At that rate, there would be nearly 150,000 deaths a year. But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?”

She spoke to two Infectious-disease experts, who told her they believed “the number of deaths attributed to COVID is far greater than the actual number of people dying from COVID.”

Mentioning the first, she wrote, “Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

Dretler told the analyst, “Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for COVID many are incidentally positive.” Wen noted how people with gunshot wounds or other serious illnesses often test positive for the virus, and wrote, “If these patients die, COVID might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.”

 

[Joes Place]

Others wearing a mask or not wearing a mask? Be careful how you answer this one genius.

LOLWUT?

When YOU are infected, YOU spread virus a far shorter distance when YOU wear a mask.
Whether someone else wears one, or not.

When BOTH people are wearing masks, risks of transmission are even lower.

This concept seems to flummox you on a weekly basis. Go back and read the threads where it was explained to you the last dozen times.

 

[Joes Place]

This just might be your biggest whopper ever. When have we ever counted accidents as flu deaths?

Everything about covid was a lie.

CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen admitted in a column, Friday, that the medical community is “overcounting” the amount of “COVID deaths and hospitalizations.”

The article is titled, “We are overcountingCOVID deaths and hospitalizations. That’s a problem.”

Wen began her column with some apparent skepticism about the CDC’s latest COVID-19 death stats: “According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United States is experiencing around 400 COVID deaths every day. At that rate, there would be nearly 150,000 deaths a year. But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?”

She spoke to two Infectious-disease experts, who told her they believed “the number of deaths attributed to COVID is far greater than the actual number of people dying from COVID.”

Mentioning the first, she wrote, “Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

Dretler told the analyst, “Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for COVID many are incidentally positive.” Wen noted how people with gunshot wounds or other serious illnesses often test positive for the virus, and wrote, “If these patients die, COVID might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.”

Kewl. She "wrote an Op Ed/column".

No one has any published data that supports this. A gunshot victim who dies of the gunshot is NOT listed as a Covid death on the death certificate. If you believe that is the case, POST the data that supports it.

 

[Joes Place]

This just might be your biggest whopper ever. When have we ever counted accidents as flu deaths?

Everything about covid was a lie.

CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Leana Wen admitted in a column, Friday, that the medical community is “overcounting” the amount of “COVID deaths and hospitalizations.”

The article is titled, “We are overcountingCOVID deaths and hospitalizations. That’s a problem.”

Wen began her column with some apparent skepticism about the CDC’s latest COVID-19 death stats: “According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the United States is experiencing around 400 COVID deaths every day. At that rate, there would be nearly 150,000 deaths a year. But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?”

She spoke to two Infectious-disease experts, who told her they believed “the number of deaths attributed to COVID is far greater than the actual number of people dying from COVID.”

Mentioning the first, she wrote, “Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

Dretler told the analyst, “Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for COVID many are incidentally positive.” Wen noted how people with gunshot wounds or other serious illnesses often test positive for the virus, and wrote, “If these patients die, COVID might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.”

I like how the citations in your snippet go to NY Post Op Eds, too, which don't say what they claim in your Op Ed.

Nearly 60,000 have died of COVID in China since restrictions eased

59,938 people have died of coronavirus in China since the country abandoned its zero-COVID policy last month.

nypost.com

 

[Finance85]

I like how the citations in your snippet go to NY Post Op Eds, too, which don't say what they claim in your Op Ed.

Nearly 60,000 have died of COVID in China since restrictions eased

59,938 people have died of coronavirus in China since the country abandoned its zero-COVID policy last month.

nypost.com

Dude, Bill Maher is calling you out. Your incessant posts on these threads are emblematic of what Maher is saying. YOU were, and continue to be WRONG. Stop doubling down.

Heck, I was wrong too. The difference is that I realized it, and admit it.

 

[Joes Place]

Dude, Bill Maher is calling you out.

So? Maher is an idiot on this topic.

When Seth MacFarlane can school you on this topic, you're probably out of your element...

 

[hawkedoff]

The level of brainwashed responses from the people in this thread on the left side if the aisle is astounding. Seriously wake the **** up already

 

[KFsdisciple]

The level of brainwashed responses from the people in this thread on the left side if the aisle is astounding. Seriously wake the **** up already

they have "long covid brain fog"

 

[MichaelKeller99]

In remarks made during a telephonic press briefing, (Washington) DOH officials even acknowledged knowingly including multiple deaths caused by gunshot wounds in the state’s COVID-19 fatality count.

1. DOH includes deaths of all persons who tested positive for COVID-19 in its totals, even if the victims died from other causes, such as gunshot wounds.

“Our (DOH COVID-19) dashboard numbers do include any deaths to a person that has tested positive to COVID-19.”

“We don’t always know the cause of death for a death when it is first reported on our dashboard. That is true. Over the course of the outbreak, we have been monitoring and recording the causes of death as we know it. We currently do have some deaths that are being reported that are clearly from other causes. We have about five deaths — less than five deaths — that we know of that are related to obvious other causes. In this case, they are from gunshot wounds.”

Last week, after it was reported that, like Washington, Colorado was counting deaths of all COVID-19 positive persons regardless of cause (which had resulted in the inclusion of deaths from alcohol poisoning), the Colorado Department of Health and Environment began to differentiatebetween deaths “among people with COVID-19” and “deaths due to COVID-19.”

Did Governor Inslee get pissed off at the government officials engaging in medical fraud? Nope. He saved his derision for those REPORTING on fraud. 🤡

When asked about the Foundation’s report at a press conference Monday, Gov. Jay Inslee dismissed it as “dangerous,” “disgusting” and “malarkey.” He further accused the Freedom Foundation of “fanning these conspiracy claims from the planet Pluto” and not caring about the lives lost to COVID-19. 🤣
(FreedomFoundation 5/21/2020)

 

[KFsdisciple]

In remarks made during a telephonic press briefing, (Washington) DOH officials even acknowledged knowingly including multiple deaths caused by gunshot wounds in the state’s COVID-19 fatality count.

1. DOH includes deaths of all persons who tested positive for COVID-19 in its totals, even if the victims died from other causes, such as gunshot wounds.

“Our (DOH COVID-19) dashboard numbers do include any deaths to a person that has tested positive to COVID-19.”

“We don’t always know the cause of death for a death when it is first reported on our dashboard. That is true. Over the course of the outbreak, we have been monitoring and recording the causes of death as we know it. We currently do have some deaths that are being reported that are clearly from other causes. We have about five deaths — less than five deaths — that we know of that are related to obvious other causes. In this case, they are from gunshot wounds.”

Last week, after it was reported that, like Washington, Colorado was counting deaths of all COVID-19 positive persons regardless of cause (which had resulted in the inclusion of deaths from alcohol poisoning), the Colorado Department of Health and Environment began to differentiatebetween deaths “among people with COVID-19” and “deaths due to COVID-19.”

Did Governor Inslee get pissed off at the government officials engaging in medical fraud? Nope. He saved his derision for those REPORTING on fraud. 🤡

When asked about the Foundation’s report at a press conference Monday, Gov. Jay Inslee dismissed it as “dangerous,” “disgusting” and “malarkey.” He further accused the Freedom Foundation of “fanning these conspiracy claims from the planet Pluto” and not caring about the lives lost to COVID-19. 🤣
(FreedomFoundation 5/21/2020)

Yeah but did they report this on MSNBC? If not, it never actually happened.

 

[Joes Place]

Anyone that believes or engages with you should understand you are the asshole that would line people against a wall and shoot them based on your ideology.

Seems like an awful lot of "projection" here, Cletus.

 

[Joes Place]

Did Governor Inslee get pissed off at the government officials engaging in medical fraud? Nope.

He told you that it's not happening on any significant level.

AND, it's Easy-Peasy to go back and CORRECT numbers at any future date.

 

[Joes Place]

Yeah but did they report this on MSNBC? If not, it never actually happened.

There's no written reports of any of it.

Just "mentions", which means your Covid Conspiracists are blowing it completely out of proportion.
Those death certificates and deaths records are PERMANENT records; if this were actually happening, one of them would amass the data and publish those findings. They cannot do that, because those records don't actually exist - they were corrected LONG AGO.

 

[KFsdisciple]

There's no written reports of any of it.

Just "mentions", which means your Covid Conspiracists are blowing it completely out of proportion.
Those death certificates and deaths records are PERMANENT records; if this were actually happening, one of them would amass the data and publish those findings. They cannot do that, because those records don't actually exist - they were corrected LONG AGO.

Anybody with the balls, time, and ability to publish such findings would only come from sources you wouldn't believe anyway.

Sorry none of your leftwing media sources are going to do their jobs.

 

[Joes Place]

Anybody with the balls, time, and ability to publish such findings would only come from sources you wouldn't believe anyway.

Why wouldn't a university researcher want to come forward and make a big splash w/ correcting deaths records?

Instant publication; instant notoriety. And, with the actual facts to back up the paper, there really wouldn't be much for anyone to do but repeat/verify the outcome.

The REASON no one has done this, is that those data don't exist. You and your buddies are pushing innuendo and accusations - NOT FACTS.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Why wouldn't a university researcher want to come forward and make a big splash w/ correcting deaths records?

Instant publication; instant notoriety. And, with the actual facts to back up the paper, there really wouldn't be much for anyone to do but repeat/verify the outcome.

The REASON no one has done this, is that those data don't exist. You and your buddies are pushing innuendo and accusations - NOT FACTS.

Yes because academia is the place where right wing conspiracy theories are worked on the daily...

No academia is still trying to convince the sane part of society boys can be girls.

 

[Joes Place]

Yes because academia is the place where right wing conspiracy theories are worked on the daily...

Academia would love to correct inaccurate data and get notoriety from it.

Your problem here, is that there IS NO SUCH DATA, so you can continue regurgitating your conspiracies absent anything to back them up.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Anybody with the balls, time, and ability to publish such findings would only come from sources you wouldn't believe anyway.

Sorry none of your leftwing media sources are going to do their jobs.

Joey claims covid deaths were treated the same as flu deaths.

Can’t wait to see articles that claim there were shooting deaths in this country being classified as flu deaths (like they were with covid).

Commence goalpost moving in 5…4…3… 🤣

 

[Joes Place]

Joey claims covid deaths were treated the same as flu deaths.

Can’t wait to see articles that claim there were shooting deaths in this country being classified as flu deaths (like they were with covid).

Can't wait to see the actual data supporting your silly claims here.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

"Technically, if you died of a clear alternate cause,* but you had COVID-19 at the same time - it's still listed as a COVID death," Dr. Ezike answered. "Everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that was the cause of death, but they had COVID at the time."
• Dr. Ngozi Ezike
• Illinois Dept. Public Health
• 4/19/2020

* like a shooting. Or a car accident.

 

[Joes Place]

"Technically, if you died of a clear alternate cause,* but you had COVID-19 at the same time - it's still listed as a COVID death," Dr. Ezike answered. "Everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that was the cause of death, but they had COVID at the time."
• Dr. Ngozi Ezike
• Illinois Dept. Public Health
• 4/19/2020

* like a shooting. Or a car accident.

Meanwhile, UMN CIDRAP cites a report that Covid deaths have been vastly UNDER-reported, based on DATA, not ANECDOTES:

COVID-19 behind thousands of excess US deaths, analysis shows

www.cidrap.umn.edu

A new study from researchers at Boston University School of Public Health and the University of Pennsylvania shows that a substantial proportion of excess mortality numbers counted as deaths from natural causes during the COVID-19 pandemic were actually attributable to the novel coronavirus.

The study appears in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1,174,626 Americans have died due to COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic nearly 4 years ago. But excess mortality—deaths that would not be expected compared to other years—has also risen, suggesting COVID-19 has a role in those deaths, as well.

While other assessments of excess US mortality rates during the pandemic have looked at interruptions or delays in medical care and lockdowns, this study associates the excess deaths temporally with local increases in COVID-19 activity.

Excess deaths match COVID-19 peaks​

The study was based on natural-cause deaths and reported COVID-19 deaths for 3,127 US counties from March 2020 to August 2022. The researchers focused on excess deaths attributed only to natural causes, not excess deaths attributed to intentional or unintentional injuries or to accidents.

"We observed peaks in non-COVID-19 excess deaths in the same or prior month as COVID-19 deaths, a pattern consistent with these being unrecognized COVID-19 deaths that were missed due to low community awareness and a lack of COVID-19 testing,” said corresponding author Andrew Stokes, PhD, in a Boston University press release.

If delays and disruption in care were the primary cause of the excess mortality, then those deaths would have followed peaks in COVID activity, the authors explained.

High rates in nonmetropolitan counties​

Overall, 15.8 excess deaths were reported due to non–COVID-19 natural causes for every 100 reported COVID-19 deaths across the study period. A total of 1,194,610 excess natural-cause deaths occurred nationally (90% posterior interval [PI], 1,046,000 to 1,340,204).

A total of 162,886 of these excess natural-cause deaths (90% PI, 14,276 to 308,480) were not reported as COVID-19.

The authors found significant regional patterns in these excess deaths: Nonmetropolitan counties reported the most natural-cause deaths for every 100 COVID deaths (36.0), as did counties in the West (Rocky Mountain states, 31.6 deaths; Pacific states, 25.5 deaths), and the South (East South Central states, 26.0 deaths; South Atlantic states, 25.0 deaths; West South Central states, 24.2 deaths).

"Contrary to prior literature which indicated that these gaps were mostly limited to the early months of the pandemic, we found nearly as many excess deaths reported to non-COVID-19 natural causes in the pandemic’s second year as the first year," the authors concluded.

So, head on out to troll CIDRAP and their university experts here.

 

[Pinehawk]

Can't wait to see the actual data supporting your silly claims here.

"A quiet change to how the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publicly reports Covid death details underscores the need for the agency to communicate clearly and transparently about rapidly evolving science, experts say.

Last week, after reporting from the Guardian on mortality rates among children, the CDC corrected a “coding logic error” that had inadvertently added more than 72,000 Covid deaths of all ages to the data tracker, one of the most publicly accessible sources for Covid data.

The agency briefly noted the change in a footnote, although the note did not explain how the error occurred or how long it was in effect.

A total of 72,277 deaths in all age groups reported across 26 states were removed from the tracker “because CDC’s algorithm was accidentally counting deaths that were not Covid-19-related”, Jasmine Reed, a spokesperson for the agency, told the Guardian.

This resulted in an overcount of deaths due to Covid in the demographic breakdown, and the error, once discovered, was corrected last week. The CDC did not answer a question on how long the coding error was in effect."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/24/cdc-coding-error-overcount-covid-deaths

 

[Joes Place]

"A quiet change to how the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publicly reports Covid death details underscores the need for the agency to communicate clearly and transparently about rapidly evolving science, experts say.

Last week, after reporting from the Guardian on mortality rates among children, the CDC corrected a “coding logic error” that had inadvertently added more than 72,000 Covid deaths of all ages to the data tracker, one of the most publicly accessible sources for Covid data.

This was 2 yrs ago, Cletus.

 

[Pinehawk]

This was 2 yrs ago, Cletus.

You asked for an example and I provided proof that deaths were overcounted. You were throwing around those inflated, incorrect numbers two years ago.

 

[Joes Place]

You asked for an example

I asked for the SPECIFIC example of death certificates being improperly attributed.

The example you posted was CORRECTED 2 years ago