“We Need a Covid Commission” – Bill Maher Says Fauci and Democrats Refuse to Admit They Got It Wrong
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But not before they got all the run out of it they could, allowing people much like yourself to push the panic porn on the Gen pop and not before the crazy conspiracy theory was proven true.
Outside of that... they really did a great job.
No. When they identified the error, they corrected it.
Something that YOU asserted wouldn't happen.
This was TWO YEARS AGO.
And 2 years later you were here denying it ever happened, gaslighting everyone in this thread until you were confronted with enough proof you backtracked and now want to give the experts credit for fixing their F-Up that you denied even happened.
Thanks for reaffirming the ‘…if they died WITH covid they died OF covid…” aspect of this entire scam. 🤣 🤣 🤣Meanwhile, UMN CIDRAP cites a report that Covid deaths have been vastly UNDER-reported, based on DATA, not ANECDOTES:
COVID-19 behind thousands of excess US deaths, analysis shows
www.cidrap.umn.edu
A new study from researchers at Boston University School of Public Health and the University of Pennsylvania shows that a substantial proportion of excess mortality numbers counted as deaths from natural causes during the COVID-19 pandemic were actually attributable to the novel coronavirus.
The study appears in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1,174,626 Americans have died due to COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic nearly 4 years ago. But excess mortality—deaths that would not be expected compared to other years—has also risen, suggesting COVID-19 has a role in those deaths, as well.
While other assessments of excess US mortality rates during the pandemic have looked at interruptions or delays in medical care and lockdowns, this study associates the excess deaths temporally with local increases in COVID-19 activity.
Excess deaths match COVID-19 peaks
The study was based on natural-cause deaths and reported COVID-19 deaths for 3,127 US counties from March 2020 to August 2022. The researchers focused on excess deaths attributed only to natural causes, not excess deaths attributed to intentional or unintentional injuries or to accidents.
"We observed peaks in non-COVID-19 excess deaths in the same or prior month as COVID-19 deaths, a pattern consistent with these being unrecognized COVID-19 deaths that were missed due to low community awareness and a lack of COVID-19 testing,” said corresponding author Andrew Stokes, PhD, in a Boston University press release.
If delays and disruption in care were the primary cause of the excess mortality, then those deaths would have followed peaks in COVID activity, the authors explained.
High rates in nonmetropolitan counties
Overall, 15.8 excess deaths were reported due to non–COVID-19 natural causes for every 100 reported COVID-19 deaths across the study period. A total of 1,194,610 excess natural-cause deaths occurred nationally (90% posterior interval [PI], 1,046,000 to 1,340,204).
A total of 162,886 of these excess natural-cause deaths (90% PI, 14,276 to 308,480) were not reported as COVID-19.
The authors found significant regional patterns in these excess deaths: Nonmetropolitan counties reported the most natural-cause deaths for every 100 COVID deaths (36.0), as did counties in the West (Rocky Mountain states, 31.6 deaths; Pacific states, 25.5 deaths), and the South (East South Central states, 26.0 deaths; South Atlantic states, 25.0 deaths; West South Central states, 24.2 deaths).
"Contrary to prior literature which indicated that these gaps were mostly limited to the early months of the pandemic, we found nearly as many excess deaths reported to non-COVID-19 natural causes in the pandemic’s second year as the first year," the authors concluded.
So, head on out to troll CIDRAP and their university experts here.
“COVID-19 death counts in Massachusetts included deaths within 60 days of a diagnosis until March 2022, which differed from the 30 day guidelines in other states.”
No; I'm pointing out to you what you claimed NO RESEARCHERS WOULD EVER DO: CORRECT THE NUMBERS.
THEY DID.
You're welcome.
Contact the folks at UMN CIDRAP if you need additional information.
I quoted from the junk science cidrap was pushing. You ever even read the crap you post?
The entire ‘study’ was conjecture: “We could not directly distinguish between excess natural-cause deaths that were unrecognized COVID-19 deaths and those that were related to health care interruptions and/or social and economic consequences of the pandemic.”
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You posted more anecdotal and out-of-context garbage. Not data
If you think there is data out there to support your point, ask CIDRAP to find it for you.
You're a total ****ing idiot as usual. The guy who sits there and touts RCT's and meta's, then posts a link to:
"We present an interdisciplinary narrative review of the literature on the role of face masks in reducing COVID-19 transmission in the community."
Jefferson's meta with Cochran is the gold standard. Showed no benefit for masking at all. Shut the hell up with your mask bullshit.
Common Joe, I know you didn’t sleep through those COVID years. Unlike most posters, I do actually have respect for you and your ability to put up a good fight even when there shouldn’t be one on just about every topic under the sun, but why the need to defend Fauci, the Dem party, etc, in terms of those dark COVID years? Live and learn…
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He wasn't asleep, he was tirelessly working on spreading the panic and fear to ensure we had as many restrictions on freedom as possible for as long as possible.
This is true. Your linked study was anecdotal, out-of-context garbage. Not data.
(From CIDRAP; Joey’s latest source of expertise):
(1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection.
If the data are limited, how can we say face coverings are likely not effective?
We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing. At the time we wrote this article, we were unable to locate any well-performed studies of cloth mask leakage when worn on the face—either inward or outward leakage. As far as we know, these data are still lacking.The CDC failed to reference the National Academies of Sciences Rapid Expert Consultation on the Effectiveness of Fabric Masks for the COVID-19 Pandemic (NAS 2020), which concludes, “The evidence from…laboratory filtration studies suggests that such fabric masks may reduce the transmission of larger respiratory droplets. There is little evidence regarding the transmission of small aerosolized particulates of the size potentially exhaled by asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals with COVID-19.”
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Yep. From CIDRAP.
Cloth masks: 73% more effective than nothing
Surgical masks: 300% more effective than nothing
Q.E.D
Thus, reducing your exposure levels.
Look up "dose dependence" or "viral inoculum" if you need an explainer of how this works (for the umpteenth time).
Literally WHY the longer you spend time in an enclosed room with someone infected, the more likely you are to be infected.
“But this virus is transferred by what we call aerosols, these very fine particles that float into the air. It’s like smoke. It’s like perfume. And you have to have a high-quality respiratory protection device to protect yourself.
What happens in airplanes today is really more just check a box. It is not effective. Why? Because, first of all, you have most people not wearing an N95. They’re wearing a face cloth covering or even a surgical mask, which is not effective in reducing transmission.”
Dr. Mike Osterholm
Director
CIDRAP (Joe’s latest infatuation)
What happens in airplanes today is really more just check a box. It is not effective. Why? Because, first of all, you have most people not wearing an N95. They’re wearing a face cloth covering or even a surgical mask, which is not effective in reducing transmission.”
Dr. Mike Osterholm
Director
CIDRAP (Joe’s latest infatuation)
Yes; we know this.
It's why cloth masks offer limited protection.
Which is NOT THE SAME as ZERO protection.
Which is why CIDRAP has posted that graphic estimating regular cloth masks at about 73% effectiveness over nothing. Offering you about an extra 10 minutes before you'll get sick, which makes a difference when you are in/out of a store in under 25 minutes.
The best part of your ‘chart pretending to be science’? It’s this: “The baseline time of 15 minutes is not based on any science…” But of course! 🤣 🤣 🤣
Yep. From CIDRAP.
Cloth masks: 73% more effective than nothing
Surgical masks: 300% more effective than nothing
Q.E.D
That’s almost as awesome as Fauci’s statement on the benefits of 6’ of social distancing for covid containment: ‘it sort of just appeared’ and ‘likely wasn’t based on any scientific data’. 🤡
You're arguing with someone who has been sold the Climate Change BS and can't even answer basic meteorology questions that anyone with any base knowledge in the atmosphere could answer. He's a sheep and nothing more. He lives off Tik-Tok and other social media.
That's not entirely fair.
What is accurate is that Joe's Place stops the evolution of scientific recognition as soon as the evolution disagrees with his political position.
It is used as a BASELINE value, because it is not a "universal number" for every scenario.
Go email CIDRAP if you want to understand more about it.
Their posted material implies a >70% effectiveness for regular cloth masks.
Someone who UNDERSTAND the climate change issue.
You could go back and watch the PBS series on Big Oil, and how many Republicans back in the 90s now agree that the oil lobby outright lied to them. But you won't, because you're rather remain ignorant.
Au contraire.
It's your buddies here, who post TikToks and other social media blurbs absent any actual DATA.
Don't care you're an idiot. There's no evidence masks work.
If they worked to stop or significantly reduce the transmission of airborne viruses, they would have been pushed every cold and flu season by your PCP since we knew they were effective.
I've never been to a doctor that said, if you don't want the flu shot, at least wear a mask in public it's a viable alternative to taking the shot. Yet, we are to believe we killed the flu for 2 years by masking up if you believe Joe's place.
I don’t believe that number. If you died in a car accident and were treated for Covid, it went down as a Covid death. Half those deaths they claim were Covid were something else. Hospitals received a kickback for dealing with Covid, which is why everyone died from Covid. Anytime money is involved there is corruption. This doesn’t diminish Covid and the effects, my neighbor was a long hauler and I saw it firsthand. However, I’m young and healthy and had minimal impact. However, if I died in a car accident with Covid, I would count towards the 1.2m.
Can't believe people still believe this falsehood. Hospitals lost over $300 billion in 2020. There was no kickbacks, only reimbursement from CMS (Medicare/caid) for treating COVID patients. For example, one patient in an ICU that was on a ventilator for 30 days would run over $1 million in hospital charges, CMS still pays the same flat rate(~$39K) for the patient no matter length of stay or outcome. Yes, I know Medicare offsets most of the hospital charges, but private insurance companies sure do not.
Also, when someone died Covid positive in the hospital, it was one of the contributing factors reported to coroners and the state. Just like when someone with Stage 4 cancer dies of sepsis. Cancer was a contributing factor to the death and needs to be included when reporting the death. There was one case in Florida that I remember that a motorcycle death was considered a Covid death because the individual was Covid positive at the time of death. It was removed from the Covid death number later. That was a one in one million occurrence.
There were no falsehoods or skewed reporting of Covid cases by hospitals or doctors. The fines for committing fraud against insurance companies or CMS are ridiculously high and why would doctors risk their reputations and licensure for this.
Being a frontline RN in an ICU, this stupid claim about kickbacks and padding Covid deaths is quite personal to me and my fellow healthcare workers. We had no pay increase and lost 401k matching in the hospital I worked in. Many auxiliary workers were put on furlough and some lost their jobs. Hospital administrators took pay cuts, granted it wasn't much, in order to try to balance the budget. Nothing good happened within hospital walls in 2020 besides death, despair, animosity and PTSD.
AHA continues to debunk false claims about COVID-19 deaths and payments | AHA News
For the last several months, disturbing and unproven theories have gained attention about the death count for COVID-19. We find these erroneous and egregious charges leveled against doctors – which have been repeated during the past few weeks – dismaying, disconcerting and disturbing.
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The Covid virus killed off influenza in 2020 and 2021. The original strain of the virus and variants until Omicron overpowered and dominated all other viruses and they had no way to grow and spread. Surprise, surprise, now that the current Covid variants are not as strong and dominated as in 2020/21, influenza and RSV cases are right back where they were pre-2020. Simple science, but most failed that growing up and have zero real clue about healthcare, just repeating what they see/hear in their echo chamber of information.
That begs the question then, if the flu was all but killed off for 2 years why did it re-emerge? It didn't just lay dormant in people so... if it really went away, what brought it back?
Now that's a great question. Influenza was never fully killed off, just less effective of spreading and reproducing b/c Covid virus, masks and social distancing. In order to survive, it will mutate slightly it's antigens (H,N) e.g. H1N1, in order to survive and avoid human immune response. With everyone worried about Covid, most people did not get influenza vaccines. Most studies show this and the fact that after 2020, most people started travelling again and airports are the easiest way for viruses and diseases to spread across the US and globe.
If most people didn't get the flu shot, and the flu all but went away, that's somewhat damning for the flu shots? If most people had gotten the flu shots, would that have helped kill the flu off completely or did the masses skipping the flu shot contribute to it laying low?
Sigh.
There are multiple strains of the flu virus out there, and experts have to make educated guesses based on data they have about which strains are going to be most prevalent each year as they haven’t been able to make a universal vaccine that works for all strains. In addition, the flu strains mutate a bit as well, which prevents them from making the flu vaccine as effective as other vaccines.
That's a nice cut and paste answer that I've read before, but it doesn't actually address the question asked here.
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