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Maybe so, but this time every year we get offered their "expertise" every time an Iowa guy loses. It would be nice if Iowa wins in BB, but not going to go over and tell them how sucky they are if they don't
Cmon man, that is bullcrap. That happens throughout the year, every time Iowa under performs or loses a thread is started about how TT sucks, this wrestler or that has no offense, M* blah blah blah, we can't recruit, and so on and so on. Although I am a "basketball guy" i follow the wrestling board throughout the year and this is not just "this time of year". I for one think the new strength and conditioning will help even more so next year, it appears our recruiting is improving this year and next, and I also feel as though we have a very solid team next year to compete for the title. I am not claiming to be an expert but as I just posted I think we improve at all weights besides 194 because of somebody new improving results (141 and 157) or because the rest return.
 
Okay, I did the comparison. Moore was 3-8 lifetime in the NCAA tournament, including 0-3 in the first round. Sammy Brooks is 4-3 lifetime at the NCAA tournament, including 2-0 in the first round. To me it looks like Brooks is wrestling better at the NCAAs than Moore.

Look at my original quote:
"Brooks is a great kid with amazing potential, but at the end of the day, we're unfortunately going to look back on him like a slightly improved version of Nick Moore WRT performing on the big stage. Hate it for him!!"

I stand by my comments. If he doesn't AA this year and next, there will be those of us who look back on Brooks as an amazing kid who just couldn't put it together in the NCAAs. And when you're from Iowa, we don't care whether you're 3-8 or 4-3; we care if you're an AA, semi-finalist, finalist, champion...that's it. If you're a stud like Brooks and don't make the top 4 or 5 this year and next, he will have significantly under-performed just like Moore. Both these horses were supposed to get us major points in the NCAAs...and it just hasn't happened (yet).
 
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Maybe so, but this time every year we get offered their "expertise" every time an Iowa guy loses. It would be nice if Iowa wins in BB, but not going to go over and tell them how sucky they are if they don't

Exactly the point. It would be like me going to the basketball board two days a year in March to post that Fran sucks and he needs to coach his players to score more points. I wouldn't even consider doing something that idiotic.
 
We return everybody besides 141, 157, 194, am I correct on that. Obviously we got nothing from 141 this year, Coop did what he could, and Burak is and has been pretty solid the last 2 year. I think we will upgrade 141 for sure, I mean you can't get any worse than 0 points. 157 from all the talk will be Kem and from what I have heard is going to have bright future. 194 might be our only downgrade, although I could be wrong due to being a "basketball guy" LOL
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We really needed horses at 41, 57, 65, 74, and 97...and hopefully the superheroes we have in the room and coming in will fill those voids...or perhaps we just need to fill four of those because Meyer will turn the corner and make next year something special?
 
Maybe so, but this time every year we get offered their "expertise" every time an Iowa guy loses. It would be nice if Iowa wins in BB, but not going to go over and tell them how sucky they are if they don't

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I don't get why people have to bash another sport? Fans are fans and Hawkeyes are Hawkeyes, it doesn't matter what sport(s) they follow. The wrestling community should and needs to be as inviting towards others as it can.
Feel the same, I've been a long time follower of ALL Hawkeye sports. Been on HR for quite some time too, I've even stepped in once or twice over the years and did some PBP of matches here. I also enjoy watching the FB team, mens & women's BB, VB, SB, etc. Yes every year some casual fans drop by, just like every year in FB when the bowl season comes, or in BB when the tourney starts. Doesn't make me any less of a wrestling fan to admit I like other Hawkeye sport as well...
 
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Barring a meltdown, it's hard not to see PSU take home the Championship.... How many places after that do teams still get trophies? Is it up to 4th place or 3rd? I hope Iowa can stay in there and still take home some hardware...
 
Aside from Dudley holding on against Brooks, Nebraska has totally shit the bed today. Lambert just got bounced.
 
Why is all criticism of this team's performance met with a "you're a basketball fan." Do you need to have a Cubs' fan mentality to be a Hawkeye wrestling fan now?

I'll be cheering on the remaining wrestlers and I don't place the blame on their shoulders. It's not their fault that Brands left massive holes at 141 and 165. Brands has to improve his recruiting. You can't settle on one Marinelli per year while PSU gets a Nolf, Nickal and Retherford. Most Iowa fans excused the previous seasons assuming PSU caught lightning with Ruth and Taylor and now here we go again.
 
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possibly - but i do recall a guy named fine material lurking on the Scout board years ago b4 cable got to psu. Not sure if the same guy here.
I don't know about the scout board but I can tell you that after the 2011 tournament these dudes absolutely came out of the wood work! Now don't get me wrong there are several PSU posters that I love reading and conversing with. But on the whole, their message board faction has been an inflammatory bunch.
 

We really needed horses at 41, 57, 65, 74, and 97...and hopefully the superheroes we have in the room and coming in will fill those voids...or perhaps we just need to fill four of those because Meyer will turn the corner and make next year something special?[/QUOTE]
Bad news, we don't have anyone in the room besides another 49 lbr that is going to be a difference maker. Either him or our current 49 are going to have to bump a weight class above their ideal weights. Recruiting got psu where they are, it's the only way to catch them in the yrs to come.
 
good to hear...maybe then Burroughs will quit trolling Iowa fans....best one was when he compared Iowa to Donald Trump...lol
This is interesting because I read a twitter exchange between him and Metcalf where Burroughs said that people love to hate the Hawks, and it wasn't right. He said he loved Iowa except when they wrestle Nebby.
 
We return everybody besides 141, 157, 194, am I correct on that. Obviously we got nothing from 141 this year, Coop did what he could, and Burak is and has been pretty solid the last 2 year. I think we will upgrade 141 for sure, I mean you can't get any worse than 0 points. 157 from all the talk will be Kem and from what I have heard is going to have bright future. 194 might be our only downgrade, although I could be wrong due to being a "basketball guy" LOL
Which is obvious because the weight class is 197
 
We return everybody besides 141, 157, 194, am I correct on that. Obviously we got nothing from 141 this year, Coop did what he could, and Burak is and has been pretty solid the last 2 year. I think we will upgrade 141 for sure, I mean you can't get any worse than 0 points. 157 from all the talk will be Kem and from what I have heard is going to have bright future. 194 might be our only downgrade, although I could be wrong due to being a "basketball guy" LOL

Have to replace 165 as well, but big upgrade coming with that (assuming he doesn't redshirt)
 
If Meyer wins his next match he has Epperly tonight... if I am looking at things right. Going to need to show up to AA. Sammy needs to beat the winner of Abounader and Zillmer to AA. Better get on it. . or did Abounader lose I didnt see that one

Gross takes out Jimmy G.
 
....and their fans, mostly the buttholes, were never around before the run. Definition of Johnny-come-lately.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Of course teams that start winning are going to attract more fans. That is how it works. I think PSU has a fantastic program and are obviously the new Iowa when it comes to wrestling. Iowa needs to up their game is all.
 
This is interesting because I read a twitter exchange between him and Metcalf where Burroughs said that people love to hate the Hawks, and it wasn't right. He said he loved Iowa except when they wrestle Nebby.
Listening to his interview the thought crossed my mind that he'd be a great choice to take the reigns someday. Going to end up as one of the greatest international wrestlers of all time and he's a pretty sharp dude.
 
If Meyer wins his next match he has Epperly tonight... if I am looking at things right. Going to need to show up to AA. Sammy needs to beat the winner of Abounader and Zillmer to AA. Better get on it. . or did Abounader lose I didnt see that one

Gross takes out Jimmy G.
Meyer has Hammond then Rogers tonight if he wins.
 
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Of course teams that start winning are going to attract more fans. That is how it works. I think PSU has a fantastic program and are obviously the new Iowa when it comes to wrestling. Iowa needs to up their game is all.

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Look at my original quote:
"Brooks is a great kid with amazing potential, but at the end of the day, we're unfortunately going to look back on him like a slightly improved version of Nick Moore WRT performing on the big stage. Hate it for him!!"

I stand by my comments. If he doesn't AA this year and next, there will be those of us who look back on Brooks as an amazing kid who just couldn't put it together in the NCAAs. And when you're from Iowa, we don't care whether you're 3-8 or 4-3; we care if you're an AA, semi-finalist, finalist, champion...that's it. If you're a stud like Brooks and don't make the top 4 or 5 this year and next, he will have significantly under-performed just like Moore. Both these horses were supposed to get us major points in the NCAAs...and it just hasn't happened (yet).
"when you're from Iowa, we don't care whether you're 3-8 or 4-3; we care if you're an AA, semi-finalist, finalist, champion...that's it."

Comments like this make me embarrassed to say I'm an Iowa fan! Of the 200+ (?) colleges that have wrestling programs, seems that the Iowa fan base has a reputation for this attitude. It's sickening to me to cheapen the efforts and achievements of these athletes. This is one reason why I've waited years to start posting on this board, because of attitudes like this. No! - winning championships isn't what it's all about - ask any college coach and he'll tell you it's about developing the guys into fine young men, well-rounded academically, athletically, socially, spiritually, etc. Yes, there is great desire to achieve the highest level possible, both as an individual and a team, but when you fall short then you learn from it and move on. Too many fans treat sports like they're the end-all, and are more important than social, political, spiritual, or everyday aspects of life.

Yes, I'm bi-polar (hahaha) - my posts are usually insightful and sometimes comical, but sometimes I vent - sorry, I'm now climbing off my soap box! :oops:
 
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