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Incoming Iowa transfer Seydou Traore was a big sleeper off-season move for Iowa this spring

Traore was one of the best mid major freshman this past season averaging 12 PPG, 8.3 RPG and 2.3 APG while being a pretty effective defender

Also stands out like crazy on how athletic he is, strong first step with great tools, showcased a lot of pull-up shooting as a well

Should be a key contributor for Iowa this fall.




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Color me surprised if he sees 30 minutes a game this year, but stranger things have happened, just don't see it with both Payton's, Dembele, and Koch on the roster.
i agree but i think we wll be surprised he will take Kochs minutes at the very least
 
Would love to watch some highlights of his defense and rebounding. We know we can score, but can we play switch defense? Can we actually rotate to the correct man?
 
Would love to watch some highlights of his defense and rebounding. We know we can score, but can we play switch defense? Can we actually rotate to the correct man?
You don't really rotate in a switching D.

Shouldn't have to rotate much in any D if you keep the ball in front of you. But we'll see how that goes
 
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Color me surprised if he sees 30 minutes a game this year, but stranger things have happened, just don't see it with both Payton's, Dembele, and Koch on the roster.

i agree but i think we wll be surprised he will take Kochs minutes at the very least


David Eickholt of 24/7 reported on July 8 that he wouldn't be surprised to see Traore start at the 4.

Of their top 10 players, Iowa has just 2 seniors.

I posted this on June 5, wondering if this would be the rotations:

Starting 5:
6’3” PG Drew Thelwell (SR)
6'5" SG Josh Dix (JR)
6'7" F Payton Sandfort (SR)
6’7” PF Seydou Traore (SO)
6'10" C Owen Freeman (SO)

Next 5 off the bench:
6'0" PG Brock Harding (SO)
6'7" F Cooper Koch (FR)
6'7" F Pryce Sandfort (SO)
6'8" PF Ladji Dembele (SO)
6'8" PF Chris Tadjo (FR)

Other 2 scholarship players:
6'11" C Riley Mulvey (JR)
6'9" F/C Even Brauns (SR)
 
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Color me surprised if he sees 30 minutes a game this year, but stranger things have happened, just don't see it with both Payton's, Dembele, and Koch on the roster.
Last season, Payton and Perkins were the only players to average 30.0 or more MPG, and then just barely at 30.5 and 30.9 respectively. Everyone would be surprised if Traore averages 30 MPG because it would mean he’s playing really well and is probably one of the three best players on the team even as a transfer sophomore.

If Traore shows he’s a better overall option than Pryce, Koch, and Tadjo, then he’ll get plenty of minutes. He’s not truly competing for minutes with anyone else other than those guys.
 
Color me surprised if he sees 30 minutes a game this year, but stranger things have happened, just don't see it with both Payton's, Dembele, and Koch on the roster.
just another example of your inability to evaluate talent. He will run circles around Koch, who is more of a spot up shooter. This guy can create his own shot, rebound & dunk over/through people and has D1 game experience. He will be a go to guy when the shot clock is running down. And he can defend the 2, 3 & 4, not that it matters to Fran.

He's a bigger & better version of Perkins, who was a tweener. Not really a pg and not a good enough shooter for sg. Traore is kind of a tweener between sf & pf, a nice combo who can put it on the floor, shoot the three and strong enough in the paint to battle with bigs. He will get plenty of playing time.
 
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If Traore shows he’s a better overall option than Pryce, Koch, and Tadjo, then he’ll get plenty of minutes. He’s not truly competing for minutes with anyone else other than those guys.
With the way Fran likes to play a lot of guys, not sure this holds up in season. My guess, he will not avg 30 minutes a game.
 
With the way Fran likes to play a lot of guys, not sure this holds up in season. My guess, he will not avg 30 minutes a game.
To be clear, I don’t think Traore will average 30 minutes either. However, if he just separates himself from the incoming freshman specifically, there’s a pretty easy path to 20+ mpg.
 
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Last season, Payton and Perkins were the only players to average 30.0 or more MPG, and then just barely at 30.5 and 30.9 respectively. Everyone would be surprised if Traore averages 30 MPG because it would mean he’s playing really well and is probably one of the three best players on the team even as a transfer sophomore.

If Traore shows he’s a better overall option than Pryce, Koch, and Tadjo, then he’ll get plenty of minutes. He’s not truly competing for minutes with anyone else other than those guys.
I disagree with this. I think Traore is primarily competing with Dembele for the bulk of the minutes at 4. Traore has more offensive game, although Dembele seems to have a pretty nice stroke from 3. Dembele has the potential to be a premium interior defender and rebounder, although again, Traore might be better defending in space. Dembele is likely to split time between 4 and 5. Traore is more of a true 4, that can also play at 3. I think there are only 3 players likely to usually get 30 min--Payton, Dix, and Freeman (if he can stay out of foul trouble). I hope Traore and Dembele both get at least 20 min/game, but Koch, Tadjo, and Pryce will get to compete for minutes. Fran should have some really nice options at 3-5.
 
I disagree with this. I think Traore is primarily competing with Dembele for the bulk of the minutes at 4. Traore has more offensive game, although Dembele seems to have a pretty nice stroke from 3. Dembele has the potential to be a premium interior defender and rebounder, although again, Traore might be better defending in space. Dembele is likely to split time between 4 and 5. Traore is more of a true 4, that can also play at 3. I think there are only 3 players likely to usually get 30 min--Payton, Dix, and Freeman (if he can stay out of foul trouble). I hope Traore and Dembele both get at least 20 min/game, but Koch, Tadjo, and Pryce will get to compete for minutes. Fran should have some really nice options at 3-5.
I understand your point, I guess I see it differently.

If it just comes down to minutes played, I think the limiting factor for both Traore and Dembele is more likely to be how much Fran plays Koch and Tadjo and if Pryce slides to the 2 occasionally, and less likely to be a direct competition with each other.

In regards to whether it’s Dembele or Traore starting or finishing games, that’s probably a different argument for me.
 
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I've always thought you had to project minutes by position to really see what numbers for each player were reasonable and where the true competition for minutes was.

An example for this coming season - just using 5 min increments to keep it simple, and capping players at 30 mpg as 35 mpg is unlikely:

PG: Harding 20 mpg, Thelwell 20 mpg - likely will be 25/15 but unclear yet in which direction. No big need to play Dix here very much imo.
SG: Dix 30 mpg, Pryce 10 mpg - Thelwell could play some here also depending on minutes at PG
SF: Payton 30 mpg, Traore 5 mpg, Koch 5 mpg
PF: Dembele 15 mpg, Traore 15 mpg, Tadjo 10 mpg
C: Freeman 25 mpg, Dembele 10 mpg, Mulvey/Brauns/Tadjo 5 mpg

Total MPG:
  • Payton, Dix 30 mpg
  • Freeman, Dembele 25 mpg - Freeman deserves 30mpg, but foul trouble. Dembele could drop to 20 mpg if other PF's play well.
  • Harding, Thelwell, Traore 20 mpg
  • Pryce, Tadjo 10 mpg - has more upside, but SG/SF minutes are dominated by 2 of our star players, Tadjo notes below.
  • Koch, Mulvey/Brauns 5 mpg (Koch has upside but SF/PF minutes are very tight unless an injury occurs)
A few things become apparent when you do it this way:
  1. PG role should be by committee as matchups and gameflow could cause minutes to vary between them game by game
  2. Logjam at PF position for minutes with 4 good players capable, not even including Payton if you move his minutes to SF
  3. Backup at C a question - seems like Dembele or Tadjo should get minutes here ahead of Mulvey unless we really need his height against a low block post player
My sense of the PF options, in order of preference:
  • Dembele 6'8" 250 - a very strong PF who can play some C. Very well rounded game and will show more of it this year. Can space the floor by hitting 3's, has some mid-game face up, can handle it a bit inside the arc to attack off the dribble, and has some post moves. Good rebounder. Not elite at anyone thing, but gets a "B" grade or better on most things. Good but not great athlete. I really like Dembele's game. His weight makes him the best of this group to play backup Center in spots.
  • Traore 6'7" 215 - as you can see quite a bit smaller than Dembele, but more athletic. SF role makes sense at his size, but again not a lot of minutes available there with Payton taking 30. Is a bit light at PF but a good rebounder. Can he keep opposing PF's from backing him down or off the offensive glass at only 215? Would be tough in B10 ball. Has an all around game as well but would likely not post up much and be someone who spaces on the perimeter for 3's or attacks off the dribble with his athleticism. Better 3 point shooter than last year's stats show. Very high on him, the question with minutes is whether you can really play him at PF against some teams. On film he plays like 6'8" 230 but he's not that big.
  • Koch 6'8" 205 - also very light. Solid but not elite athlete. Elite shooter though - the best of these 4 by far - and top notch skill which Fran values in his offense. Diverse offensive game but unclear at his weight if he will be affected inside the arc by physical play, much like Patrick McCaffrey. He's an experienced baller and I'd guess is very smart and savvy. Can bring him in when we need 3's probably but again SF minutes are limited so he may have to wait for injury to see a lot of court time.
  • Tadjo 6'8" 220 - he looks a lot bigger than 220, so wonder if this will get updated. Looks about 230-235. Best athlete in this group just ahead of Traore. Raw offensively, so would be a perimeter screener and score off of rolls to the hoops, or would sit in the dunker's spot and get lobs/drop offs from others driving to the rim and drawing his defender (ie: Harding would be his best friend imo). Great in transition and finishing. Limited face up game and some low post game but not highly refined. Wins with physicality, effort and athleticism mostly, not skill.
 
I've always thought you had to project minutes by position to really see what numbers for each player were reasonable and where the true competition for minutes was.

An example for this coming season - just using 5 min increments to keep it simple, and capping players at 30 mpg as 35 mpg is unlikely:

PG: Harding 20 mpg, Thelwell 20 mpg - likely will be 25/15 but unclear yet in which direction. No big need to play Dix here very much imo.
SG: Dix 30 mpg, Pryce 10 mpg - Thelwell could play some here also depending on minutes at PG
SF: Payton 30 mpg, Traore 5 mpg, Koch 5 mpg
PF: Dembele 15 mpg, Traore 15 mpg, Tadjo 10 mpg
C: Freeman 25 mpg, Dembele 10 mpg, Mulvey/Brauns/Tadjo 5 mpg

Total MPG:
  • Payton, Dix 30 mpg
  • Freeman, Dembele 25 mpg - Freeman deserves 30mpg, but foul trouble. Dembele could drop to 20 mpg if other PF's play well.
  • Harding, Thelwell, Traore 20 mpg
  • Pryce, Tadjo 10 mpg - has more upside, but SG/SF minutes are dominated by 2 of our star players, Tadjo notes below.
  • Koch, Mulvey/Brauns 5 mpg (Koch has upside but SF/PF minutes are very tight unless an injury occurs)
A few things become apparent when you do it this way:
  1. PG role should be by committee as matchups and gameflow could cause minutes to vary between them game by game
  2. Logjam at PF position for minutes with 4 good players capable, not even including Payton if you move his minutes to SF
  3. Backup at C a question - seems like Dembele or Tadjo should get minutes here ahead of Mulvey unless we really need his height against a low block post player
My sense of the PF options, in order of preference:
  • Dembele 6'8" 250 - a very strong PF who can play some C. Very well rounded game and will show more of it this year. Can space the floor by hitting 3's, has some mid-game face up, can handle it a bit inside the arc to attack off the dribble, and has some post moves. Good rebounder. Not elite at anyone thing, but gets a "B" grade or better on most things. Good but not great athlete. I really like Dembele's game. His weight makes him the best of this group to play backup Center in spots.
  • Traore 6'7" 215 - as you can see quite a bit smaller than Dembele, but more athletic. SF role makes sense at his size, but again not a lot of minutes available there with Payton taking 30. Is a bit light at PF but a good rebounder. Can he keep opposing PF's from backing him down or off the offensive glass at only 215? Would be tough in B10 ball. Has an all around game as well but would likely not post up much and be someone who spaces on the perimeter for 3's or attacks off the dribble with his athleticism. Better 3 point shooter than last year's stats show. Very high on him, the question with minutes is whether you can really play him at PF against some teams. On film he plays like 6'8" 230 but he's not that big.
  • Koch 6'8" 205 - also very light. Solid but not elite athlete. Elite shooter though - the best of these 4 by far - and top notch skill which Fran values in his offense. Diverse offensive game but unclear at his weight if he will be affected inside the arc by physical play, much like Patrick McCaffrey. He's an experienced baller and I'd guess is very smart and savvy. Can bring him in when we need 3's probably but again SF minutes are limited so he may have to wait for injury to see a lot of court time.
  • Tadjo 6'8" 220 - he looks a lot bigger than 220, so wonder if this will get updated. Looks about 230-235. Best athlete in this group just ahead of Traore. Raw offensively, so would be a perimeter screener and score off of rolls to the hoops, or would sit in the dunker's spot and get lobs/drop offs from others driving to the rim and drawing his defender (ie: Harding would be his best friend imo). Great in transition and finishing. Limited face up game and some low post game but not highly refined. Wins with physicality, effort and athleticism mostly, not skill.
Decent analysis, except Harding will not start over Thelwell.
 
just another example of your inability to evaluate talent. He will run circles around Koch, who is more of a spot up shooter. This guy can create his own shot, rebound & dunk over/through people and has D1 game experience. He will be a go to guy when the shot clock is running down. And he can defend the 2, 3 & 4, not that it matters to Fran.

He's a bigger & better version of Perkins, who was a tweener. Not really a pg and not a good enough shooter for sg. Traore is kind of a tweener between sf & pf, a nice combo who can put it on the floor, shoot the three and strong enough in the paint to battle with bigs. He will get plenty of playing time.
Hope you’re right…he seems like a well rounded player.
 
I've always thought you had to project minutes by position to really see what numbers for each player were reasonable and where the true competition for minutes was.

An example for this coming season - just using 5 min increments to keep it simple, and capping players at 30 mpg as 35 mpg is unlikely:

PG: Harding 20 mpg, Thelwell 20 mpg - likely will be 25/15 but unclear yet in which direction. No big need to play Dix here very much imo.
SG: Dix 30 mpg, Pryce 10 mpg - Thelwell could play some here also depending on minutes at PG
SF: Payton 30 mpg, Traore 5 mpg, Koch 5 mpg
PF: Dembele 15 mpg, Traore 15 mpg, Tadjo 10 mpg
C: Freeman 25 mpg, Dembele 10 mpg, Mulvey/Brauns/Tadjo 5 mpg

Total MPG:
  • Payton, Dix 30 mpg
  • Freeman, Dembele 25 mpg - Freeman deserves 30mpg, but foul trouble. Dembele could drop to 20 mpg if other PF's play well.
  • Harding, Thelwell, Traore 20 mpg
  • Pryce, Tadjo 10 mpg - has more upside, but SG/SF minutes are dominated by 2 of our star players, Tadjo notes below.
  • Koch, Mulvey/Brauns 5 mpg (Koch has upside but SF/PF minutes are very tight unless an injury occurs)
A few things become apparent when you do it this way:
  1. PG role should be by committee as matchups and gameflow could cause minutes to vary between them game by game
  2. Logjam at PF position for minutes with 4 good players capable, not even including Payton if you move his minutes to SF
  3. Backup at C a question - seems like Dembele or Tadjo should get minutes here ahead of Mulvey unless we really need his height against a low block post player
My sense of the PF options, in order of preference:
  • Dembele 6'8" 250 - a very strong PF who can play some C. Very well rounded game and will show more of it this year. Can space the floor by hitting 3's, has some mid-game face up, can handle it a bit inside the arc to attack off the dribble, and has some post moves. Good rebounder. Not elite at anyone thing, but gets a "B" grade or better on most things. Good but not great athlete. I really like Dembele's game. His weight makes him the best of this group to play backup Center in spots.
  • Traore 6'7" 215 - as you can see quite a bit smaller than Dembele, but more athletic. SF role makes sense at his size, but again not a lot of minutes available there with Payton taking 30. Is a bit light at PF but a good rebounder. Can he keep opposing PF's from backing him down or off the offensive glass at only 215? Would be tough in B10 ball. Has an all around game as well but would likely not post up much and be someone who spaces on the perimeter for 3's or attacks off the dribble with his athleticism. Better 3 point shooter than last year's stats show. Very high on him, the question with minutes is whether you can really play him at PF against some teams. On film he plays like 6'8" 230 but he's not that big.
  • Koch 6'8" 205 - also very light. Solid but not elite athlete. Elite shooter though - the best of these 4 by far - and top notch skill which Fran values in his offense. Diverse offensive game but unclear at his weight if he will be affected inside the arc by physical play, much like Patrick McCaffrey. He's an experienced baller and I'd guess is very smart and savvy. Can bring him in when we need 3's probably but again SF minutes are limited so he may have to wait for injury to see a lot of court time.
  • Tadjo 6'8" 220 - he looks a lot bigger than 220, so wonder if this will get updated. Looks about 230-235. Best athlete in this group just ahead of Traore. Raw offensively, so would be a perimeter screener and score off of rolls to the hoops, or would sit in the dunker's spot and get lobs/drop offs from others driving to the rim and drawing his defender (ie: Harding would be his best friend imo). Great in transition and finishing. Limited face up game and some low post game but not highly refined. Wins with physicality, effort and athleticism mostly, not skill.
Traore will start, as this will allow Payton to guard the 4
 
Do you remember his athletic testing at the combine? Just not seeing it. Great offensive player who hustles but cannot guard most 4’s.
Do you remember last season? Payton guarded the 4 when Krikke was on the bench, unless Freeman and Dembele were both in.

He has a much easier time guarding 4's than staying in front of 3's.

Plus, Payton at 4 presents problems for the opponent on D. They either have to have their 4 chasing him off screens, or cross-match, which is extremely tough to do vs Iowa's transition game.

Thelwell
Dix
Traore
Pa Sandfort
Freeman

Book it
 
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Do you remember last season? Payton guarded the 4 when Krikke was on the bench, unless Freeman and Dembele were both in.

He has a much easier time guarding 4's than staying in front of 3's.

Plus, Payton at 4 presents problems for the opponent on D. They either have to have their 4 chasing him off screens, or cross-match, which is extremely tough to do vs Iowa's transition game.

Thelwell
Dix
Traore
Pa Sandfort
Freeman

Book it
1. Krikke was possibly the worst defender in Fran era so spelling him shows me very little
2. He can’t guard 3’s or 4’s…I see a trend here.

I hope you are right but not booking it.
 
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Traore will start, as this will allow Payton to guard the 4

David Eickholt, a beat reporter for 24/7, reported on July 8 that he wouldn't be surprised to see Traore start at the 4. So, Payton could actually be guarding the 3.

I said it above and on June 5, wondering if this would be the rotations. Hopefully Fran does not go much deeper than 10.

Starting 5:
6’3” PG Drew Thelwell (SR)
6'5" SG Josh Dix (JR)
6'7" F Payton Sandfort (SR)
6’7” PF Seydou Traore (SO)
6'10" C Owen Freeman (SO)

Next 5 off the bench:
6'0" PG Brock Harding (SO)
6'7" F Cooper Koch (FR)
6'7" F Pryce Sandfort (SO)
6'8" PF Ladji Dembele (SO)
6'8" PF Chris Tadjo (FR)

Other 2 scholarship players:
6'11" C Riley Mulvey (JR)
6'9" F/C Even Brauns (SR)
 
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David Eickholt, a beat reporter for 24/7, reported on July 8 that he wouldn't be surprised to see Traore start at the 4. So, Payton could actually be guarding the 3.

I said it above and on June 5, wondering if this would be the rotations. Hopefully Fran does not go much deeper than 10.

Starting 5:
6’3” PG Drew Thelwell (SR)
6'5" SG Josh Dix (JR)
6'7" F Payton Sandfort (SR)
6’7” PF Seydou Traore (SO)
6'10" C Owen Freeman (SO)

Next 5 off the bench:
6'0" PG Brock Harding (SO)
6'7" F Cooper Koch (FR)
6'7" F Pryce Sandfort (SO)
6'8" PF Ladji Dembele (SO)
6'8" PF Chris Tadjo (FR)

Other 2 scholarship players:
6'11" C Riley Mulvey (JR)
6'9" F/C Even Brauns (SR)
Of course Payton will be playing on the perimeter on offense. But these days, coaches define one's position by who he can guard.

Media members don't necessarily understand this. Or, Eickholt could be quoting Fran, as it wouldn't be surprising if he is one of the few coaches that still defines position according to offense. Shoot, he probably considers Payton a guard.

Payton and Traore may interchange who they guard some, based on the player types of the opponent's frontcourt. But Payton will mostly guard 4's when the starting lineup is playing
 
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I've always thought you had to project minutes by position to really see what numbers for each player were reasonable and where the true competition for minutes was.

An example for this coming season - just using 5 min increments to keep it simple, and capping players at 30 mpg as 35 mpg is unlikely:

PG: Harding 20 mpg, Thelwell 20 mpg - likely will be 25/15 but unclear yet in which direction. No big need to play Dix here very much imo.
SG: Dix 30 mpg, Pryce 10 mpg - Thelwell could play some here also depending on minutes at PG
SF: Payton 30 mpg, Traore 5 mpg, Koch 5 mpg
PF: Dembele 15 mpg, Traore 15 mpg, Tadjo 10 mpg
C: Freeman 25 mpg, Dembele 10 mpg, Mulvey/Brauns/Tadjo 5 mpg

Total MPG:
  • Payton, Dix 30 mpg
  • Freeman, Dembele 25 mpg - Freeman deserves 30mpg, but foul trouble. Dembele could drop to 20 mpg if other PF's play well.
  • Harding, Thelwell, Traore 20 mpg
  • Pryce, Tadjo 10 mpg - has more upside, but SG/SF minutes are dominated by 2 of our star players, Tadjo notes below.
  • Koch, Mulvey/Brauns 5 mpg (Koch has upside but SF/PF minutes are very tight unless an injury occurs)
A few things become apparent when you do it this way:
  1. PG role should be by committee as matchups and gameflow could cause minutes to vary between them game by game
  2. Logjam at PF position for minutes with 4 good players capable, not even including Payton if you move his minutes to SF
  3. Backup at C a question - seems like Dembele or Tadjo should get minutes here ahead of Mulvey unless we really need his height against a low block post player
My sense of the PF options, in order of preference:
  • Dembele 6'8" 250 - a very strong PF who can play some C. Very well rounded game and will show more of it this year. Can space the floor by hitting 3's, has some mid-game face up, can handle it a bit inside the arc to attack off the dribble, and has some post moves. Good rebounder. Not elite at anyone thing, but gets a "B" grade or better on most things. Good but not great athlete. I really like Dembele's game. His weight makes him the best of this group to play backup Center in spots.
  • Traore 6'7" 215 - as you can see quite a bit smaller than Dembele, but more athletic. SF role makes sense at his size, but again not a lot of minutes available there with Payton taking 30. Is a bit light at PF but a good rebounder. Can he keep opposing PF's from backing him down or off the offensive glass at only 215? Would be tough in B10 ball. Has an all around game as well but would likely not post up much and be someone who spaces on the perimeter for 3's or attacks off the dribble with his athleticism. Better 3 point shooter than last year's stats show. Very high on him, the question with minutes is whether you can really play him at PF against some teams. On film he plays like 6'8" 230 but he's not that big.
  • Koch 6'8" 205 - also very light. Solid but not elite athlete. Elite shooter though - the best of these 4 by far - and top notch skill which Fran values in his offense. Diverse offensive game but unclear at his weight if he will be affected inside the arc by physical play, much like Patrick McCaffrey. He's an experienced baller and I'd guess is very smart and savvy. Can bring him in when we need 3's probably but again SF minutes are limited so he may have to wait for injury to see a lot of court time.
  • Tadjo 6'8" 220 - he looks a lot bigger than 220, so wonder if this will get updated. Looks about 230-235. Best athlete in this group just ahead of Traore. Raw offensively, so would be a perimeter screener and score off of rolls to the hoops, or would sit in the dunker's spot and get lobs/drop offs from others driving to the rim and drawing his defender (ie: Harding would be his best friend imo). Great in transition and finishing. Limited face up game and some low post game but not highly refined. Wins with physicality, effort and athleticism mostly, not skill.
Good analysis. I agree with almost everything you say. I might add a little time to my projection for Traore, and take a little from Dembele, but the minutes at 4 and backup 3 minutes are going to be extremely competitive. I would predict Thelwell will start at PG, but agree that Harding will get about as many minutes at PG, with Thelwell maybe getting some at 2.

I really like the balance of this team, and think it could really surprise if the guards, Freeman, and Payton stay healthy.
 
David Eickholt, a beat reporter for 24/7, reported on July 8 that he wouldn't be surprised to see Traore start at the 4. So, Payton could actually be guarding the 3.

I said it above and on June 5, wondering if this would be the rotations. Hopefully Fran does not go much deeper than 10.

Starting 5:
6’3” PG Drew Thelwell (SR)
6'5" SG Josh Dix (JR)
6'7" F Payton Sandfort (SR)
6’7” PF Seydou Traore (SO)
6'10" C Owen Freeman (SO)

Next 5 off the bench:
6'0" PG Brock Harding (SO)
6'7" F Cooper Koch (FR)
6'7" F Pryce Sandfort (SO)
6'8" PF Ladji Dembele (SO)
6'8" PF Chris Tadjo (FR)

Other 2 scholarship players:
6'11" C Riley Mulvey (JR)
6'9" F/C Even Brauns (SR)
Koch, Dembele & Tadjo gives Fran a lot of options to create match up problems for opponents. And a lot of fouls to give as there may not be much drop off talent wise between the three. They each have their specialties. Kock's shooting, Dembele's rebounding and D & Tadjo's energy.

Should be fun to watch.
 
Koch, Dembele & Tadjo gives Fran a lot of options to create match up problems for opponents. And a lot of fouls to give as there may not be much drop off talent wise between the three. They each have their specialties. Kock's shooting, Dembele's rebounding and D & Tadjo's energy.

Should be fun to watch.
Yep. You can add Traore to that mix, and the coaches have a lot of options to throw at opponents, along with their big three of Freeman, Payton and Dix. If the combo of Thelwell and Harding at PG can emerge as nice facilitator of the rest of the team, I like this team's potential. About a third of the B1G has stockpiled a lot of talent, so wins won't be easy and it is going to be which teams can come together as a unit (on both ends) and stay healthy.
 
Do you remember his athletic testing at the combine? Just not seeing it. Great offensive player who hustles but cannot guard most 4’s.
His lack of athleticism is more of a liability at the 3 than the 4 imo.

And as the other poster said his offensive advantages are better at the 4, although the opponent doesn't have to defend him with the guy he's guarding it will create transition matchup problems if they don't and Sandfort is probably the last guy they want to lose in transition.

Its easier for Iowa to get back and find cross matchups because most teams aren't going to push the pace consistently the way Iowa does.
 
His lack of athleticism is more of a liability at the 3 than the 4 imo.

And as the other poster said his offensive advantages are better at the 4, although the opponent doesn't have to defend him with the guy he's guarding it will create transition matchup problems if they don't and Sandfort is probably the last guy they want to lose in transition.

Its easier for Iowa to get back and find cross matchups because most teams aren't going to push the pace consistently the way Iowa does.

I don’t disagree that his lack of athleticism is more pronounced at the 3 than 4, but he still gives up a ton of size and length at the 4 (plus lack of athleticism) Given our log jam at the 4 and what I would call 3/4 hybrid, PLUS our thin thin roster at guard, I still believe we will see a healthy dose of Sanford at the 3. Much of this will come down to matchups as well as how well the many new faces play.

*I am not saying PS cannot play the 4 at all, I just don’t see him as our starter MOST nights there
 
I don’t disagree that his lack of athleticism is more pronounced at the 3 than 4, but he still gives up a ton of size and length at the 4 (plus lack of athleticism) Given our log jam at the 4 and what I would call 3/4 hybrid, PLUS our thin thin roster at guard, I still believe we will see a healthy dose of Sanford at the 3. Much of this will come down to matchups as well as how well the many new faces play.

*I am not saying PS cannot play the 4 at all, I just don’t see him as our starter MOST nights there
That's a fair point as well considering the majority of the roster are bigs.

Traore will be a better defender at every position 1-5 vs Sandfort so I guess it really just means that when they play together it will allow Fran to find the easiest matchup for Payton wherever that may be.
 
I don’t disagree that his lack of athleticism is more pronounced at the 3 than 4, but he still gives up a ton of size and length at the 4 (plus lack of athleticism) Given our log jam at the 4 and what I would call 3/4 hybrid, PLUS our thin thin roster at guard, I still believe we will see a healthy dose of Sanford at the 3. Much of this will come down to matchups as well as how well the many new faces play.

*I am not saying PS cannot play the 4 at all, I just don’t see him as our starter MOST nights there
That's a fair point as well considering the majority of the roster are bigs.

Traore will be a better defender at every position 1-5 vs Sandfort so I guess it really just means that when they play together it will allow Fran to find the easiest matchup for Payton wherever that may be.
Given Payton and Traore will most likely start, Payton will usually start on the 4.

Payton's minutes guarding the 3 will be when Traore is on the bench
 
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That's a fair point as well considering the majority of the roster are bigs.

Traore will be a better defender at every position 1-5 vs Sandfort so I guess it really just means that when they play together it will allow Fran to find the easiest matchup for Payton wherever that may be.
Fran doesn't care, he believes in positionless basketball. Everyone is interchangeable, for the most part..
 
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Given Payton and Traore will most likely start, Payton will usually start on the 4.

Payton's minutes guarding the 3 will be when Traore is on the bench
I agree, unless there's a team that has a spot up shooter like a Luke Goode at the 3 or someone similar but most times the better matchups for Payton will be at the 4.

Dix will give even more flexibility in matchups because he can defend the 1-3 at a high level.

So really can try to hide Payton on whoever the opponent's least athletic player 2-4 is.
 
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I agree, unless there's a team that has a spot up shooter like a Luke Goode at the 3 or someone similar but most times the better matchups for Payton will be at the 4.

Dix will give even more flexibility in matchups because he can defend the 1-3 at a high level.

So really can try to hide Payton on whoever the opponent's least athletic player 2-4 is.
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I don’t disagree that his lack of athleticism is more pronounced at the 3 than 4, but he still gives up a ton of size and length at the 4 (plus lack of athleticism) Given our log jam at the 4 and what I would call 3/4 hybrid, PLUS our thin thin roster at guard, I still believe we will see a healthy dose of Sanford at the 3. Much of this will come down to matchups as well as how well the many new faces play.

*I am not saying PS cannot play the 4 at all, I just don’t see him as our starter MOST nights there
I think Payton will be at 3 offensively almost always. When Traore is at 4, we might see Payton guarding the 4 and Traore the 3, at least with some match ups. Dembele would be more of a 4 on both ends. Not sure about Koch, who seems like a slightly bigger version of Payton, or Tadjo. If we have better interior defenders, which is almost a certainty vs last year, Payton's deficiencies on defense should be less of a problem.
 
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The reason I see Traore playing backup SF is not just because he's smaller size wise than the other PF's were discussing, but because there's a lot of competition for those PF minutes.

If Payton plays 30 minutes at SF, I could see Traore getting the rest. He'd then get another 10 minutes (maybe up to 15 if he flashes) at PF. He's the only PF other than Koch who can play SF, and I don't see Koch playing a ton just due to how crowded things are (but I think he's good enough to play).

Playing Dembele or Tadjo at backup C also frees up more PF minutes. I think we all want to see a lot of those 3 PF's in particular, and maybe even Koch a bit. That pushes our other backup Centers way back in the rotation (Braun, Mulvey).
 
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