The patient gave him consent to draw and the nurse refused access to the patient. That's the only thing that would the only thing that would justify this. Note that I realize that didn't happen in this case. I'm just saying.
SIAP...Utah nurse arrested for obeying the law....
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The patient gave him consent to draw and the nurse refused access to the patient. That's the only thing that would the only thing that would justify this. Note that I realize that didn't happen in this case. I'm just saying.
If veteran officers and lieutenants do not have knowledge of basic laws, we have an even bigger problem ...
Not that I disagree something has to be done. . . But 20 years in prison seems excessive for the harm caused. Yeah he's an idoit, he arrested her for no reason hauled her to jail where he probably quickly found out that his interpretation of the law was wrong and she was taken back to work or home.
Guy needs to be fired. More then that his supervisor needs to be fired.
Maybe if they announced that lawsuits like this will be taken from the officer's pay collectively things would change. If a guy knew he was likely to lose pay for this, he might stand up to his stupid co-worker.
No, it is not. They KNEW they needed the warrant.
Penalties for willful abuse of power need to hold some bite.
None of this "suspended, with pay" bullshit.
You have clear evidence of misconduct, you get suspended WITHOUT pay. Pay is 'accrued' and you get it back in full, with interest, if you are found to have not acted inappropriately. But if misconduct is determined, you lose: all 'accrued back pay' during the investigation that was withheld, you lose ALL pension (100% of it), you lose you job and you are listed as NEVER HIRE for any police precinct in America.
Oh, AND you're not eligible for unemployment benefits or ANY local/federal benefits for 5 years.
Stop making taxpayers financially accountable for this crap.
It's not about 'harm caused' in this case. It is about 'harm caused' when this type of misconduct becomes 'normal'. Make the penalties severe enough, and both police and supervisors will pay attention to training and proper conduct.
It's a 'deterrent'. These are people who are sworn to UPHOLD the law, not ABUSE the law, and the loss of public trust in police forces should never be tolerated with wrist slaps.
no I am talking about the constitutional law, not state and local laws. and the ignorance I speak of is ignorance of the constitution. sorry I was not specific.
yes and I think being knocked out in a coma is pretty much the same as being blasted out on drugs and alcohol as far as giving consent goes
I would say there are other ways to prevent these things then to go draconian and put someone in prison for 20 years for this kind of thing. Like I said, collectively take the lawsuits out of the officer's pay.
Not only are they going to stand up to each other out in the field. But when they know one of their co-workers is an idoit they are going to be doing everything they can, begging their superiors to please get rid of the idiot now. . . or at least assign him to a job where his idiocy is going to cause the least amount of damage.
Either
A) they didn't know they needed a warrant to draw blood or consent (which is inexcusable for veteran officers)
OR
B) They knew it (I think they did) and decided to use their power to try and obtain it. Which also is inexcusable from any officer.
The fact that the place was filled with other Leo's that did nothing is the bigger story. Cops need to police their own if they want people to start trusting them again.
Dude....you're expecting him to remember what he'd posted 30 seconds before....
It's like talking with a 5 year old....
I'm fine with the 'draconian' thing, because in 1 of 10 or 20 instances, somebody innocent is going to get shot or killed by an out of control officer.
If you cannot control yourself, get training or get on the job counseling. The other officers in that video need to be held accountable as well, for not standing up and saying something. Stand up to the guy; call the police chief and get the chief to weigh in. Something.
Properly trained officers DO NOT ENGAGE in this type of behavior.
The officer and his supervisor should both be fired for misconduct. Unemployment would be denied and it would be difficult to get a job as a cop again. They both knew or should have reasonably known that a warrant was required in this case.
Perhaps a really slick union attorney could argue the case to an arbitrator and get it reduced to a 30-90 day suspension without pay. The ONLY argument is whether they knew there was a rule that required them to have a warrant in this case. Since the one officer was trained to draw blood, it seems reasonable that he would know the law regarding this type of circumstance.
Perhaps a really slick union attorney could argue the case to an arbitrator and get it reduced to a 30-90 day suspension without pay. The ONLY argument is whether they knew there was a rule that required them to have a warrant in this case. Since the one officer was trained to draw blood, it seems reasonable that he would know the law regarding this type of circumstance.
This.
If it's truly the occasional bad apple ruining the bunch, why don't we see stories of cops arresting those bad apples? You know there are cops who knew this Utah jackass for years who wouldn't put it past this guy to screw up like this. I can link stories where whistle blower cops are subsequently fired for dubious reasons, but have trouble finding those Serpico stories.
And getting a little off topic, why aren't 95% of police proud BLM members? Wouldn't the good cops be all over this - treating the public fairly, giving it the benefit of the doubt, working tirelessly to ensure that everyone's Constitutional rights are treasured and upheld? Why do cops have an adversarial relationship with BLM? Maybe it isn't just the occasional bad apple in the bunch, but mindless thug cops who can't wait to crack someone's head open are the norm? That Georgia cop flat out told the white lady he pulled over that cops "only kill black people." I saw the Trumpsters saying the cop was "being sarcastic" on that one, but with the lack of truly good cops coming forward to call out their fellow officers, I think his comments can be taken at face value. /rant
see I do not usually recognize anything other than the constitution as the law , but that's another topic
must get a lot of speeding tickets
I do and "no seat belt" tickets. ha ha
the courts locally negate their own court by putting gold fringe around the flag making it a false flag
But the person they were trying to draw blood from wasn't the guy who caused the accident. The unconscious guy was the victim, not the suspect. The suspect was killed in the crash.
This nurse is going to get paid. The police officer needs to be terminated. He needs to have his pension revoked and his benefits cancelled. Let him try to find a job working mall security.
I've given blood to the ME's office (medical examiner) many times. I've also given lab results and testified if court. They need to get a court order. Once the local authorities know the contact people usually the court orders are faxed. The blood would be picked up while lab results were faxed.
I've had impostures ask for blood and results but they are each to spot if you look. The impostures were never lucky fortunately.
I've had impostures ask for blood and results but they are each to spot if you look. The impostures were never lucky fortunately.
Pensions need to be 'on the block' as well.
Get convicted of misconduct, and the FIRST $$ paid out in compensation comes from YOUR pension AND fractional amounts of pensions of superiors or anyone else involved. You want to protect YOUR pension as a police chief or sheriff, then you'd damned well better have control of your department....and be ready to get rid of the 'problems' before they cost YOU money.
100% agreed.
It's time police officers and departments are finally held accountable.
This dude should be fired along with his supv.
I do have question. Was he trying to get the blood from the guy in the truck? I know those rules and regulations are different and handled by the feds.
If a truck driver is in an accident are they required by law to give blood sample?
I do have question. Was he trying to get the blood from the guy in the truck? I know those rules and regulations are different and handled by the feds.
If a truck driver is in an accident are they required by law to give blood sample?
I'm not fully clear on the background details, but it's implied that the other driver in the accident died on scene and was suspected of the DUI; the truck driver was not suspected, and the LEO may have been wanting to verify he was not also drinking.
Whatever his motivations, the LEO was WAY out of bounds on this, and judging by the reactions of the other officers, he was the senior guy and they were intimidated and trying to stay out of the way. It's apparent this officer probably acts belligerently most of the time and others just tolerate it.
Just reading about people selling loose cigs makes me fear for my life.
I'd go even farther and charge him with a crime. To that point, why did security just stand around and let this dirtbag cop bully their employee? Aren't they there to protect hospital employees from criminal harm?
My answer to the question you posed is that at some point in time in this country the police and a large percentage of our citizens have came to believe that the police can tell you to anything they want and you have to obey. If you don't obey, you face arrest, incarceration or even worse death. If being a police officer is too hard or dangerous for you find a new profession. The power that we as a society have given police is needed but at the same time with that power should come strict and powerful oversight.
Exactly. From 2014, but relevant as ever in the same week we see this Utah video, the Georgia cop telling the white lady cops "only kill black people," and Jeff Sessions and President Stupid call for the re-militarization of local polices forces.
Bill Maher asks the question: When did the police go from this:
to this:
"In the 90's, Conservatives used to warn about 'jack booted government thugs' coming to take away our freedom. But where are those Conservatives today when we need them?"
