This is the dumbest post I've seen on here in a long time, and that's saying something. You obviously aren't in the medical field or anything close to it. You sir, need to do some research.
Snyder to the UFC
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This is the dumbest post I've seen on here in a long time, and that's saying something. You obviously aren't in the medical field or anything close to it. You sir, need to do some research.
Holy smokes! Just google"Sean Bormet MMA video" to see an excellent freestyler get clocked and knocked out in one minute! I heard Ryan Lang got knocked out a few weeks ago in a comeback. Maybe wrong.
Well let me add my two cents.....Concussions can happen in many sports and yes there are plenty in the world of wrestling especially at a higher level. With that said I would rather see someone fight MMA than go the boxing route. Boxing used to be pure, watched it growing up with my Grandpa and Dad who both boxed, but now it is so corrupt and most of the big fights are not entertaining anymore. What happened to Ward vs. Gatti type fights?
On another note whoever said that MMA fighters are all deranged lunatics looking for a fight c'mon man. Don't lump them all together. Yeah some of them are complete jerk offs but you can't tell me that there are not a lot of good guys out there as well. I personally know a couple guys that made undercard at the UFC. Neither of them done very well but they are two of the nicest guys you will meet and they both were wrestlers. Met some of the other MMA fighters through them as well and only one out of about 10 was an ass. I think half of that crap is hype to sell fights, a lot of them are professionals out of the cage as well.
On another note whoever said that MMA fighters are all deranged lunatics looking for a fight c'mon man. Don't lump them all together. Yeah some of them are complete jerk offs but you can't tell me that there are not a lot of good guys out there as well. I personally know a couple guys that made undercard at the UFC. Neither of them done very well but they are two of the nicest guys you will meet and they both were wrestlers. Met some of the other MMA fighters through them as well and only one out of about 10 was an ass. I think half of that crap is hype to sell fights, a lot of them are professionals out of the cage as well.
I have met Dan Henderson and he is an awesome guy. The majority of UFC guys are better people than a good chunk of NBA and NFL punks.
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him. Wrestling is generally considered the most important base style for MMA. Snyder is already more credentialed at Wrestling than nearly every other UFC athlete. Look at some of the wrestlers who have found success in the UFC and made good money in a very short amount of time - Brock Lesnar, Daniel Cormier, Henry Cejudo, Ben Askren, Yoel Romero.
Also, the UFC heavyweight division is incredibily thin atm. Besides the top 3 or so guys, it's all a bunch of guys in their mid to late 30s who are all past their prime.
I think if Snyder commits to fighting, he'll find success very quickly.
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I couldn't disagree more. First off Konrad and Mocco began fighting way past their prime. Both have styles that do not translate well at all to the UFC. Snyder is quick and explosive. Much more similar to Cormier. Lesnar was a UFC champ - beat some very legit fighters and lost to some of the best fighters in the world. Again, see my list of wtestlers with credentials similar or less than Snyder's who found success very, very quickly. If you're a good wrestler, then you dictate where the fight takes place.
Snyder doesn't need world class striking. He just needs to be able to defend himself and maintain control.
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There's also no equivalency in the respective pay. There just isn't money to be made in competitive wrestling.
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People in this thread are very out of the loop with the success that high level wrestlers have achieved in the UFC in a very short amount of time. See my above posts, and do research before shitting on his chances.
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Daniel Cormier won the Strike force heavyweight grand Prix while being a comparable size to Snyder and having very, very limited striking skills at the time. The Strike force Grand Prix is considered one of the most elite heavyweight mma tournaments of all time. Fedor, Overeem, Barnett, Arlovski, Werdum, Bigfoot. Cormier, Kharitonov. Those are some of the best heavy weights of all time.
Again, people in this thread seem to have a very casual understanding/following of MMA.
Not one thing you wrote is correct. Crapman is a Rhodes scholar by comparison.
Nothing about Strikeforce was elite. You are borderline retarded.
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You must not follow MMA at all. These were the contestants in the tournament:
Fedor - among consideration for pound for pound best fighter of all time.
Overeem - K1 champion and has wins over 6 UFC champions.
Werdum - Former UFC champ. Current top 3 heavyweight in the world.
Cormier - Current 205 lb UFC champ.
Barnett - Former UFC champ.
Arlovski - Former UFC champ.
You should hold off on the insults if you don't follow the sport of MMA. You are quite obviously uninformed.
Not to mention, a few other Strikeforce champs, who went on to become UFC champs: Robbie Lawler, Luke Rockhold. Gilbert Melendez.
Respectfully, stfu man.
Fedor was dead by that tourney. He was destroyed by Bigfoot, a borderline awful fighter. Overeem has lost 15 times. He can knock out anybody. More often he loses fast, like he did last weekend. Werdum wasn't half the fighter then as now. You may not be aware, most of these guys had lost so much by this point, they were dropped by the UFC.
Strikeforce had a bunch of cans well past their prime. And plenty of future stars who found quick success without a hint of competition.
Now if you weren't such an idiot, you would realize Kyle Snyder can't surrender 3-6 inches and 30-50 pounds and still contend with the top heavyweights without a stellar striking game.
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Daniel Cormier is 5'11". Won the fking grand Prix. Has beaten Anthony Johnson, and Alexander Gustafson. Both top fighters who are considered excellent strikers and have a major reach advantage on him. You should seriously stop with the insults. It's just not necessary. I enjoy discussing MMA and wrestling. We can have a discussion and disagreements without resorting to name calling.
Cormier has succeeded by cutting to 205 pounds. And he's a solid striker with an iron chin. Thanks for making my point.
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He won the heavyweight grand Prix. Which was the best heavyweight tournament of all time. You can argue those fighters were past their prime, but over half are still signed by the UFC and actively fighting and considered in the top 10 in the heavyweight division. I stated earlier the heavyweight division is incredibily thin. Most of the fighters are in there late 30s or even early 40s. You claimed they were past their prime then, and that's why Cormier was able to beat them at heavyweight. If that's the case, they should be even more passed their prime now since it's been nearly 5 years since the grand Prix.
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There is no helping you. Ever heard of Pride? They had yearly tournaments better than that. Every year. Not one of those fighters you mentioned was within five years of their peak at that time. Not a single one. Maybe you are 18 and don't know better.
The UFC heavyweight division is better and deeper now than any time in history. Snyder will fight light heavy.
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I'm 25 and have been following MMA pretty strongly for over 12 years. Werdum won the UFC championship within just a few years of the grand Prix. Time after time you're sticking your foot in your mouth and you're just straight up rude and disrespectful. Learn how to have a discussion online without throwing out insults left and right. Which pride heavyweight tournament had a better group of contestants than the Strike force grand Prix? I'm not saying, Snyder wouldn't go light heavy, but he could likely compete with top 10 UFC heavys very quickly. Who outside of Stipe, would you consider in their prime at heavy? Nearly the entire top 10 is in their late 30s.
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Your claim is that Snyder couldn't compete in the UFC HW division bc of his inexperience with striking and size disadvantage. Meanwhile, Cormier who is similarly sized and was not an experienced striker at the time won the grand Prix vs. a group of heavyweights that you claim were past their prime. I agree that they were past their prime, but 4 of them are ranked in the top 10 in the UFC while being even further past their prime than the time they competed in the grand Prix. Are you understanding the logic?
Im certainly not shitting on Snyders chances of having success in MMA. I was critical of the line of thinking that elite wrestling automatically translates to immediate success. Snyder will need a couple years before he can compete at the highest level.
I have been competitively competing at Brazilian Jiujitsu for 15 years. While I'm not interested in being punched in the face in a cage, I have trained MMA for the fun of it. I trained under former Hawkeye greats Ricco Chiaparelli and Chad Zaputil back in the day. My time their taught me (among other things) that whilewrestling is an important component of the fight game, you have to learn striking and Jiujitsu to be great. Cormier doesn't always rely on his wrestling and neither did Jon Jones.
When wrestlers go MMA I root for them and I wish Kyle success, but if he thinks he can compete in the UFC without knowing striking and Jiujitsu, he's a naive 20 year old. Whoever he chooses to train him, will tell him that and show him.
I have been competitively competing at Brazilian Jiujitsu for 15 years. While I'm not interested in being punched in the face in a cage, I have trained MMA for the fun of it. I trained under former Hawkeye greats Ricco Chiaparelli and Chad Zaputil back in the day. My time their taught me (among other things) that whilewrestling is an important component of the fight game, you have to learn striking and Jiujitsu to be great. Cormier doesn't always rely on his wrestling and neither did Jon Jones.
When wrestlers go MMA I root for them and I wish Kyle success, but if he thinks he can compete in the UFC without knowing striking and Jiujitsu, he's a naive 20 year old. Whoever he chooses to train him, will tell him that and show him.
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I'll give you a pass because you're only 25 and have been an avid fan since 13. The original suggestion was that he'd quit wrestling and go straight to the UFC. Few have ever started at the highest level in modern UFC, without earning that right. Even fewer have had success doing so.
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Give me a pass? A pass for what? It wouldn't take much for him to earn the right to compete in the UFC. He could easily win a few fights in lower mma organizations and the UFC would sign him. The heavyweight division is severely lacking young talent. They would jump all over an Olympic gold medalist. Even if he fights at 205, he is only a couple of low level wins from getting signed. Which other Olympic gold medalist wrestlers who wanted to compete in the UFC were denied?
It's weird that so many people are making it sound like they'd be shocked if he succeeded in the UFC. Look at Dan Henderson, Kevin Randleman, Henry Cejudo, Daniel Cormier, Johnny Hendricks, the list goes on and on and on. I have little doubt if Snyder fully commits to MMA he would find success very quickly.
That would likely depend on his chin. Lesnar's is glass though, and it didn't seem to harm his marketability too much. Hit the roids Kyle!
That would likely depend on his chin. Lesnar's is glass though, and it didn't seem to harm his marketability too much. Hit the roids Kyle!
Lesnar doesn't have a glass chin, he just has a terrible reaction to being punched in the face!
Haha, ok. Thank you for reiterating my point. He'd need to win a few fights at a lower level. I haven't said anything about being shocked if he has success. I am a Snyder fan. You missed my point apparently about the success rate of people that get ushered into UFC in modern MMA. Silly argument here. Back to the Hawkeyes.
