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Doesn't happen at Iowa. This has been brought up ad naseum with the Ferentz boys & now McCaffery's boys too.
Initially I heard he was offered .5 to both Iowa and PSU and 1.0 to ISU.
More recently I heard PSU offered to cover tuition leaving him room/board.
Additionally I heard from a source I trust that he wasn't thrilled with his Iowa visit which is likely part of the reason in addition to them wanting him at 133. Apparently he felt the team culture was much more positive at PSU and didn't get the impression the Iowa wrestlers had the f** word. Apparently Brands just had him go against Gilman, who of course worked him over.
You can take it or leave it but from my perspective it reinforces some of the underlying theme we discuss here about the culture and style differences. Brands' extreme conditioning practice mentality will appeal to some recruits like the Metcalf's and Lee's of the world but not others.
At the end of the day I have no vested interest in Teske and don't feel he is a need recruit especially with Lee here. I just thought it lended a perspective to the recruiting process and culture differences.
I heard something very different than you heard. I heard he loved it at Iowa, but PSU offered almost a full ride and Iowa didnt offer as much and the money and the fact he felt that both he and Lee were both 5-year 125lbers as the primary reason for the choice. I heard that he loved the training at Iowa and the approach. I also heard that he got along great with Lee, but feels as if he was going to be a 125.
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Nelson wrestled FS at 2017 Western Regional, and won in dominating fashion - 5 straight TF's. The finals saw him TF CA state runnerup Romero, who's currently ranked #13 at 160# by FLO.
I'll take a poor Bulgarian or RussianMaybe we should try to recruit internationally. Maybe like a middle eastern stud that comes from oil money? 0 scholly money required, 3-4 national championships, gracious donor for HWC after graduation...
Maybe just a pipe dream
Ask the Perry family in Oklahoma or the Smith family in Oklahoma about that.
Lol they are related sir. They merged for the sole fact of creating champions. Now they’ve added Cooperman to the mix.
Do you guys have the opinion that N brands trains like a kid going for olympic dreams and the stuff between now and then is just part of the process? I think he is a great recruit, and I think he will have a good to great college career. Yet, I have it in the back of my mind that his true destiny is to fill the void Terry had.
this is nothing i have heard and nothing i have read for sure.
Probably more a movie type arc for sure....Avenge me, Avenge Me!
Pantaleos and Amines parents were both former AAs for Michigan and I think there are others on the roster too that I'm missing. Michigan seems to always have a lot of legacy recruits in their program with lots of their parents former wolverines.
And this jives with what i've heard about him in the ISU room too.. Heard he was getting worked by Vega. Also, I've heard Vega isn't very good (too small).. so that is about all i need to know about Brody..
I still think he is a solid recruit, but he was getting a bit over hyped on all of these boards because he was an Iowa kid. Time will tell.
Not sure who asked if pedigree really matters but that's like asking if pedigree in dogs or horses matters. Of coarse is has reflection on the athletes if humans were to breed athletes would they get the studs from the gymnasium or the band.
Rex Peery, and sons Ed and Hugh. 9 NCAA tourneys, 9 national championships.
I suppose it depends whom he was speaking with. Again, I trust this source. He also said this after the PSU visit so maybe he changed his tune when he had a basis for comparison after initially stating Iowa was a good visit. I'm paraphrasing as I don't recall verbatim but it went something along the lines of the Iowa guys didn't look like they were enjoying themselves. He also said before the PSU visit while Iowa and PSU had similar money, 0.5, that if PSU would increase it he'd be there because he thought he'd get better coaching there.
Taking off my Iowa high school homer hat, we may be better off. In my opinion I'm seeing another Nate Moore here. Solid depth but will be a project for a couple of years.
This is the pitch these coaches give these recruits they know are thinking about Iowa. Would not be surprised that is what a kid who bought what they are selling would say. Maybe he really thought that, maybe he got a better deal and a clearer path to starting at PSU and this is the pitch he is giving himself and anyone that asks why he is going where he is.
The best way Brands can solve this is by winning. College kids don't have to be shown by their coach how to have fun. Win and it is just a lame pitch by a jealous coach. As it stands it seems to be an effective sales pitch.
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I think your post also speaks to just how far Iowa high school wrestling has fallen... in a comparison to a decade ago. Right now, I'd say Iowa HS wrestling isn't even in the top ten, nationally.
And that speaks to the challenges the Hawks staff has getting kids/families to head to IC.
Teske is also too small for a college 125 at this point in time. Vega has a heck of a pedigree.
Most high schoolers are initially going to get worked in a D1 room. None of these reports should really surprise anyone.
Tend to agree. Of course, getting a top kid from the home state is great, but he didn't seem to warrant the "must have" status some seemed to give him. Ranked only about 6th or 7th at best, at his weight and with mixed results against good kids from out of state.
As some have said, the PSU pursuit is puzzling. If Cael develops him into a national champ, I'll join the PSU faithful, singing praises to St Cael. More likely, I think he'll have difficulty starting for PSU, and Cael was pursuing him just to show Brands he can pull a top Iowa kid away. If $$$ is no object for PSU recruiting, it could just be being petty.
What states are ahead of IA? Not doubting as I tend to agree so I'll list states I think are ahead right now and lets see about where IA ranks.
PA, OH, CA, MN, NY, NJ, IL, MI, IN....is OK in there? There are nine and 10 if you count OK. Did I miss any?
I'd put CO and FL in there above IA right now too, maybe not quantity of solid kids but quality of the top tier kids
Agreed. I put Iowa as a 10-12 state. CO and FL have passed IA...but with so many top tier states nearby, it shouldn’t really matter.
Lewis. Campbell. Banachs. Chiaparelli. Goldman. Kistlers. Penrith. Melchiore. Steiners. Ryan. McIlravy. Brinzer. Joe & TJ. Mocco. Metcalf.
Iowa high school wrestling has declined, but don't let it be an excuse. BTW, 3 of our past 4 champs were from Iowa. It's hardly a vast wasteland.
I tend to agree with you and Huck! Iowa has fallen monumentally since the Clark/Meeks, and others class. AINEC
Out of State tuition, perhaps? There is an increasing number of top notch young staffs being assembled in some neighboring areas. Although not young... Manning adding Buroughs is just one example.
I don't think there is any magic explanation on why Iowa hs wrestling has declined so markedly while at the same time States like Minnesota have really been elevated.
This offers a nice debate. Who is worse, the full of crap source, the person who believed that source, or those that liked the persons post repeating the BS. I am surprised Teske got more than one or two posts on this site. The kid wasn't going to help Iowa close the gap. He enjoyed his time at Iowa. He especially enjoyed wrestling with Perry and Delgado.
Iowa high school wrestling is bad. In a good year, most would only want Teske if he came for books. I think Carl wanted Iowa to throw a lot of money at him. I expect him to get the big money for 1 year at PSU then transfer or stay for crumbs. He likely won't get the same scholarship the second year.
Teasdale really screwed the program over. That cost them getting 4 studs to go with the Warner and Lee class. We aren't going to close the gap by offering much money to guys like Teske or Hidlay. Hidlay is good, but it's debatable if he could beat out Wilke, which would leave a lot of money on the pine. We have to save our money for the Lees, Warners, and Cass. We aren't going to violate rules like PSU and OSU. What we can do is get 2 or 3 studs each year. The coaches need to cast a wider net while contacting kids. I hope this gets addressed.
We won't get as many as OSU/PSU, but they can only wrestle 10 at a time. I think most would have been happy with this class had Gavin not screwed the coaches over. I hope Spencer gets a chance to rip his arm off and give it to Downey to beat the ugly out of Carl.
Overall, lets look at what has happened to the Iowa room since last March. Adding Perry, Lugo, Cass, Boris, Ali, Delgado, Downey. That is some serious talent being added in such a short time period. Most programs would kill for 1 or 2 of those additions.
I also heard the donations to the new facility has close to tripled from the original 2 million pledged. There is a lot of great things going on. Next year will be essential to add at least 2 elite guys at need weights. Cast that wide net and reel in the next Kemdawg, Lee, Warner, Cass, or Bull.
People tend to look at history and think it was so much better back then. Iowa has always had ebbs and flos in talent. How many potential D1 AA will wrestle in this years state tournament:? Thomsen, Teske, Scheiver, Shapiro, Happel, Biscoglia, Lara? Throw in maybe 2/3 more, that's right in the same range as Iowa has always been. And, there are more kids training year round in wrestling now than ever before. Around CR the coaching in the clubs at eastern Iowa, Ubassa, Wrestling Lab are a higher profile than ever before.
I agree with you, but that doesn't make Iowa top 10.
Iowa needs to give instate tuition to out of state athletes. That is a huge advantage for schools such as Oklahoma State. I thought Ohio State does also.
