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So, all of sorensons $$

McD did place as a junior.

I'm not saying the recruits then were like Hall or Lee. I'm saying that the Iowa high schoolers then were objectively better than the highschoolers now based on highschool performance and rankings.

It's really not even up for debate.

You are right that it is not up for debate. But I'm right that Iowa High School wrestling has remained relatively consistent.
 
You are right that it is not up for debate. But I'm right that Iowa High School wrestling has remained relatively consistent.

Factoring in all the Iowa high school wrestlers ISU has irredeemably screwed up, it's been consistent.
 

We'll see how it ends up playing out. But I definitely don't see the state of Iowa matching top 3 AAs compared to the Iowa high school of ~10 years ago. Another one I forgot to include is Montell Marion. There were actually a bunch of top 3 AAs coming out of Iowa back then. I'd be surprised if that continues out of the next few graduating classes. Basically following Sorensen's class until now and the next few classes, it seems quite down. Hope I'm wrong.
 
At the end of the day it is neither my intent or desire to convince you of the credibility of my source but it is unfortunate that you resort to ad hominem.

My source is from Fort Dodge and is close to the situation. There is no scenario in which this individual would misrepresent Teske's direct statements.

I have no doubt Teske also told parties affiliated with Iowa and the local press that he enjoyed the visit but he absolutely negatively contrasted the program with PSU following that visit. He absolutely indicated that he would get the best coaching at PSU.Teske had no reason to mislead this source nor for the source to misrepresent what he said. This was not done with the intention to disparage Iowa but rather to contrast the programs and ultimately justify his decision. There is no ulterior motive here and if you choose to believe it's fabricated then that's an opinion, and that's exactly what it is, your opinion.

I don't know every single detail from the visits nor do I pretend to but I can say with confidence that he thought the culture was better at PSU and the athletes appear to have more fun. He also believes the best coaching is available at PSU. That's really not that controversial especially in light of his decision.

My intention of sharing this was for the purpose of discussing the cultural and coaching style differences as perceived by a recruit. Apparently that caused some angst.
But your post isn’t pro Brands and therefore you will be attacked. Thank you for sharing. I think most are aware of the cultural differences in the programs and I believe much of it to be true. Most kids, even diehard wrestlers, fit with PSU culture better. Brands attracts a certain type of kid and there are less and less of them out there. I’ve heard for years how PSU kids get a designated day off during the week to refresh the body and just be normal college kids and i’ve heard Brands views days off as a sign of weakness. PSU seniors seem to peak. Gable was ahead of the game in training. Others caught up. Cael has moved ahead, we need to catch up.
What you report fits the narrative I have heard. Iowa fans need to accept that a lot of it is true and stop denying it. I also think any difference in state talent obviously tips things even more in Carl’s favor.
 
But your post isn’t pro Brands and therefore you will be attacked. Thank you for sharing. I think most are aware of the cultural differences in the programs and I believe much of it to be true. Most kids, even diehard wrestlers, fit with PSU culture better. Brands attracts a certain type of kid and there are less and less of them out there. I’ve heard for years how PSU kids get a designated day off during the week to refresh the body and just be normal college kids and i’ve heard Brands views days off as a sign of weakness. PSU seniors seem to peak. Gable was ahead of the game in training. Others caught up. Cael has moved ahead, we need to catch up.
What you report fits the narrative I have heard. Iowa fans need to accept that a lot of it is true and stop denying it. I also think any difference in state talent obviously tips things even more in Carl’s favor.
That is not true. They are on their own 1-2 days per week to rest their bodies and get what they need. Why do some Iowa fans spread false rumors? Wednesdays are commonly on their own. Stop in and see for yourself.
 
Why do u think brands is going to be so good. He is great on his feet but doesn't ride or turn many guys. He's good at getting out on bottom. I do believe he is the most improved wrestler every year I have seen him but has a lot to improve on to be AA guy

Sarcasm? God I hope so.

When my boys were younger we spent 80-90% of their time on their feet and bottom. You get the two things down and the turns will come, but if you can’t get out from bottom or take someone down first then who gives to half shit$ if you can turn someone? I have seen plenty of great wrestler going down in defeat with their head on the mat and unable to escape or dancing like a beat cause they suck on their feet.

Get a clue.
 
That is not true. They are on their own 1-2 days per week to rest their bodies and get what they need. Why do some Iowa fans spread false rumors? Wednesdays are commonly on their own. Stop in and see for yourself.

I really like the idea of having one practice a week (mid week probably) to just let each wrestler work on what they want in an unstructured practice. Could drill what you want. Focus on a certain technique all practice. Do conditioning all practice. W/e it is they want to work on. I feel like that would keep guys from burning out.
 
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That is not true. They are on their own 1-2 days per week to rest their bodies and get what they need. Why do some Iowa fans spread false rumors? Wednesdays are commonly on their own. Stop in and see for yourself.

nut has proven time and time again that he has no idea what he’s talking about.
 
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nut has proven time and time again that he has no idea what he’s talking about.

Yes... Cael gets his wrestlers to "peak at the right" time. Like when he got Mark Hall to peak when he won his second consecutive FS Jr World Gold by TF, no less. Oh wait... that was before Hall started at PSU. When exactly did Retherford "peak" last season?

Nut completely ignores the the extremely high level these PSU guys are at all year and that they are the absolute best coming out of HS.
 
HS and College wrestlers absolutely do bash programs to other wrestlers. I’ve heard of HS kids at the OTC telling other HS kids “you’re going there? That program is dogsh*t.” And college kids doing the same and HS kids telling college kids that they’ll never end their school, that the coach sucks, the team sucks, blah blah blah.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Teske told an Iowa wrestler that they have more fun, he likes the coaches better, etc but really was just scared of Lee.
 
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