He’s basically playing on one leg. He can’t really run. He’s gutting it out. Kudos to Cade.
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So how did they break Cade?
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Good luck playing on 1 leg against PSU, though. But Kirk will still try that obviously stupid sh** and fail, which is one of many reasons why we should've moved on from him years ago.
For those of you blaming the offensive line, did you even watch today’s game? He had all day to throw, with a dominant run game. He made ill advised throws and held onto the ball way too long. Both the interceptions and sacks were all on him. He was flat out awful today.
Wow! The rest of us were wholly unaware of Iowa's record. You're quite the intellectual. Any more hot takes you'd like to share with the rest of us? Maybe you could shed some light on what we're missing in Cade's performance yesterday that would confirm your assertion that he's "getting back into form". We're all on the edge of our seats awaiting your cutting edge insights.
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Have we seen enough to make that assertion?
This "he missed two weeks of preseason and hasn't been able to get his timing down" stuff is BS. He's had the practice time and the game time to have his basic timing down. It's pretty simple really....either Cade is significantly hampered by the injury, throwing off critical elements of his mechanics....or, he just isn't as good as we hoped. Truth be told...it's probably a combination of BOTH.
This is where I’m at. He’s serviceable when healthy. He’s been slightly below that so far in my opinion and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that the injury is holding him back slightly.
Could be a lot of things. Missing the time couldn't have been helpful and his injury has to be hampering him to an extent. With that said, his decision making has been slow and he doesn't look confident in who he's throwing to in this offense. Passing game is broken.
Was hoping and expecting it even sooner especially with way leshon was running in 1st half. Kept waiting for us to use it on 1st down to catch them off guard but again didn’t see it till 4th qtr. I agree works better when committed to run but just shocked we didn’t see it sooner and more often.
Yeah, it's probably naive to think that he would operate at the same level given the offense around him, but he's just a different player today than he was a couple of years ago. Yesterday was his worst performance to date, but he hasn't really had what you'd call a good game yet. We were told that he felt better than he has since his injury. Maybe that was bullshit. Who knows. The only thing we know for sure is that the "easy" part of the schedule is over and the QB that was supposed to help salvage this offense is going into the meat of the season with a lower QBR than the guy he replaced who everyone swears was the worst QB in all of football last year.
Seems like an overreaction to me.
Sure ... it was irritating to see Cade play a little like Petras.
However, I think that the context explained things quite a bit ... we're down our top RB ... so Cade probably thinks that he needs to do more for us to win. It got even more accentuated when Jaz got dinged too ... and Lachey went down to a bad injury. No shit Cade then feels like he had to press.
On top of all that ... in the back of his mind, he's still likely worrying about his leg. So it appears that is impacting the mechanics of this throws to some extent.
Also, one of the biggest issues I saw with some of his passes was just that they were coming out late. As Kirk even mentioned ... that seems to be consistent with Cade feeling like he needed to do to much and be too perfect (I think Anthony was mentioning as much when commenting on the game).
Anyhow, given that the OL finally seems to be coming around ... and that our RB room might be better than we suspected ... and our pass catchers are improving. Methinks that the offense still has a perfectly decent shot of getting on track this season.
As a final shot ... for as bad as our passing game looked against WMU ... Cade still passed for 2 TDs. That's made 2 games through the season where he's passed for 2 TDs. Petras only had 1 game ALL of last season where he passed for more than 1 TD.
It's not an overreaction. It's not one game. These are the facts. He's the 116th ranked quarterback in the country today. His 3 game non-conference QBR of 30.4 is worse than Petras' was all of last year. We can pretend that these numbers don't exist but that won't solve the problem that this passing game is stuck. Not blaming it all on Cade either. He's not exactly surrounded by elite talent or coaching and he's surely been hindered by injury, but he's not been good so far, and that's just a fact.
You can worry about QBR all you want.
Cade has passed for 4 TDs in his first 3 games ... and that's with there being a bunch of drops AND with him "being off" the past 2 games. Petras had 5 TD passes through ALL of last year!
Do we want him to play better? Sure we do!
No-one is saying that Cade's play isn't rough around the edges. However, the overreaction is the fact that you're immediately drawing the conclusion that Iowa (and Brian) has somehow "broken" Cade.
I don't see one decent refutation of ANY of the points I made in my prior post.
I'm not worried about it. I don't get emotional over this stuff. I use data to confirm what we're seeing on the field. QBR is a number that measures a QB's performance and allows fans to compare their performance with the performance of others. You allow emotion to guide your perception of reality and confuse what you want to happen with what actually is happening.
The Iowa broke Cade thing was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek reflection of how his performance has been uneven at best and a continuance of subpar QB play at Iowa even after bringing in a proven B1G championship level QB off the portal to fix that exact problem. Maybe, just maybe it's not entirely a personnel issue?
As a final thought, passing for 2 TD's doesn't mean a whole lot when the rest of his line is 9-19 for a 103 yards and 2 interceptions. That's a pretty shitty line that equates to a QBR of 14.9. Not that it matters of course.
We literally had a quarterback with a QBR that was the worst rating in big ten football history through the first two weeks last season. Cade is going to be fine.
I hope you're right. We all hope you're right. Today he's the 116th ranked quarterback in college football.
I think that also shows us what scheme and offensive coaching iowa has right now.
The only thing wrong with Cade is that he doesn't have the mobility he needs to operate like he is capable of. Whether his leg improves enough for that to happen is a big question. Go Hawks !
Hey, like I've already said in this thread, it's not just a Cade problem. That would be naive to believe given his history. He's a product of this offense as much as the passing offense is a product of his play.
Relax, Cade and Spencer are right where they belong. One is wearing a green cap and the other has his helmet on for good reason.
And we're 3-0 and ranked 25th in the nation. I'm not sure any ratings or rankings mean much right now.
I posted elsewhere that at Michigan he did NOT have that double pump before throwing. As the announcers said, this make him late to throw. I hope the coached figure this out and get him to change his mechanics.
At least we have a quarterback coach/guru to help him with his mechanics. A guy that did it at a high level. A guy that knows how to teach the fundamentals of throwing the ball. A guy…. I’ll shut up now.
I attributed that double pump to a lack of confidence in where to go with the ball and maybe a lack of zip due to his leg injury. He's definitely late on a lot of his throws.
Or our route trees and scheme also suck. We can continue to blame the quarterback play but he was good enough to be recruited by the blue blood schools. Why is it the tight end is the only guy ever open in our offense?
Little early to say one way or another! But he is big. That is a fact. Bet he could lay a lot of line backers on their back if laid a should into them.
He was benched during the orange bowl game. Guy has a great arm and has shown to have some good touch. Not sure he has anything beyond average or less for decision making or reaction speed though.
I still thought he was going to be one of ferentz best passers but either his health or bfs son is going to get in the way of that.
Idk to me on most sacks it was an effect of good coverage or just being to slow to get it out of his hand.
I could care less if he didn’t throw any INTs and added a td. The offense was starting with very short field and the run game was dominating. He could have had an awesome game with under 120 yards.
But he… he didn’t. Slow to get the ball out, decided to throw into double coverage on probably 4 throws, wildly inaccurate on two throws. And the one time he did scramble, he made it apparent he was lying about his leg feeling great.
I think I'd agree with this and add in the possibility of just missing a receiver. I'm not sure he's seeing his progressions like he should.
Dud he threw 3 passes and completed 2 of them. Not exactly the largest of samples
Maybe somewhat. I think it is more like a guy that missed a bunch of time and he is not trusting himself. Then he looks like he is pressing. We certainly need Cade to have a damn good game vs PSU
