So Who's Left and How Many Schollies?

[GunnerHawk]

With 15 commits, I think we only take 4 - 5 more

My wish list is:

Yeast - versatile athlete, can play a lot of positions
Oliver - We have a speed receiver and a big receiver, Oliver has great hands, we need a possession guy
Van Ginkel - At 230 will need to get bigger but he has great speed off the edge
Nelson - really like this savvy, hard hitting safety
Daniels - Love his size, always good to have someone stuffing the line of scrimmage

Names discussed that could be in the mix - Boyce @ DB, Buckley - don't think he'll change from A&M, Graves was mentioned early on, really like this kid but he hasn't visited, Greenwood, Hippenhammer or Muse could be in the mix.

Staff often saves a schollie for a late Iowa bloomer.

In the end, I think we fill our last 4-5 from around a dozen prospects. Key now is to keep the kids committed until February. A good season will go a long way to getting us there.

Go Hawks

 

[mazda1]

I like your list and would be totally pumped if we could fill it from that group. I do think we are getting full at the DB spot with 4 in this class and youngsters already in the two deeps.

In a perfect world I'd take
1. Daniels
2.VanGinkle
3.Buckley
4.Oliver
5.Yeast/Greenwood

I'd happily take any of the names you mentioned if they would pull the trigger for Iowa, and anymore than 2 of the names I listed would be another huge win IMO for the coaching staff.

 

[StormHawk42]

I really want Van Ginkel personally

 

[pocha444444]

I really want Van Ginkel personally

I second that. He's the guy I think the Hawks could use the most.

 

[spbc7]

The Wisky insider on TOS just put his crystal ball on Iowa for Joshua Turner

 

[shotdoc08]

I second that. He's the guy I think the Hawks could use the most.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Please give your opinion on WHY the team could use him the most. Most first year players (I know he's not fresh out of HS) see limited action on Iowa's lines. He'll be coming here in the fall of 2017.

Would he, in your opinion, displace Hesse or Nelson next year? I don't see it.

A.J. will be in his class, and AVG will not play before A.J.

Personally, I don't see AVG as a huge need. D-ends are not a huge need for this class. If you see him as a WIL backer, then maybe you're on to something.

 

[RecruitR]

Turner has show some interest but not confirmed.
and 21 -22 should be the number. VG will not be a hawk. Iowa is rich in this position, at VG's weight he would struggle to see the field compared to other recruits.

 

[shotdoc08]

If you look at the scholarship distribution chart, it looks to me like they should get another TE this year. In the fall of 2017, they'll have 1 senior scholarship TE, no juniors.

 

[RecruitR]

shot doc...they have no concern there due to the recruits from last season with Fant and others with possible red shirts to learn the system.

 

[shotdoc08]

shot doc...they have no concern there due to the recruits from last season with Fant and others with possible red shirts to learn the system.

I respectfully disagree. Even with 3 guys coming in this year (Fant, Hock, Beyer) they'll have a shortage of TE's starting the 2017 season. Unless they radically change their personel groups. The majority have 2 TE's.

I realize I'm discounting non-scholarship players, but as it stands, unless something changes, they will only have 1 upperclassman scholarship TE in 2017 (Wiz), and 1 in 2018 (Vev). Hope for no injuries, or head cases.

Fant, Hockenson, Beyer: 2 will have to play year, to get them ready for 2017, and one will have to redshirt, to space out the numbers.

Regardless, I think they should recruit another TE in this class.

 

[icu81222]

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Please give your opinion on WHY the team could use him the most. Most first year players (I know he's not fresh out of HS) see limited action on Iowa's lines. He'll be coming here in the fall of 2017.

Would he, in your opinion, displace Hesse or Nelson next year? I don't see it.

A.J. will be in his class, and AVG will not play before A.J.

Personally, I don't see AVG as a huge need. D-ends are not a huge need for this class. If you see him as a WIL backer, then maybe you're on to something.

Hesse. Yes. Absolutely. His game film is off the charts. Special

 

[icu81222]

shot doc...they have no concern there due to the recruits from last season with Fant and others with possible red shirts to learn the system.

Yet Van Ginkels weight is your concern? His point is legit regarding TE.

Listen, we get it, you coach at Pella and talked to Seth Wallace about a player....come on man.

Just kinda busting your balls but don't be that guy

 

[mazda1]

I also like VanGinkel, but feel Daniels is more critical due to the upcoming graduation losses. IMO VanGinkle would be limited to a pass rushing specialist at least initially.

TE is also a position of need, but I didn't have a target at this point for that slot. Wide receivers continue to be a real need and Yeast gives us options on both offense and defense.

 

[pocha444444]

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Please give your opinion on WHY the team could use him the most. Most first year players (I know he's not fresh out of HS) see limited action on Iowa's lines. He'll be coming here in the fall of 2017.

Would he, in your opinion, displace Hesse or Nelson next year? I don't see it.

A.J. will be in his class, and AVG will not play before A.J.

Personally, I don't see AVG as a huge need. D-ends are not a huge need for this class. If you see him as a WIL backer, then maybe you're on to something.

I see him potentially having a spot right away as a situational third down edge rusher. We are getting a lot of D-ends, but how many are going to be able to pressure the quarterback like Van Ginkel could? Hesse didn't show me much as a pass rusher last year.

 

[whatsup13579er]

The class was going to be 18-19 to start and now with a couple unexpected transfers they class should be in the low 20s so 5-6 more? I'd like to see:
1 DT (Daneils), 1 DE/LB (Van Ginkle), 1 DB (Boyce), 1 WR (Oliver), 1 LB, and 1 TE or OL

 

[MepoDawg#]

Reading a Hawk Central article, it listed Iowa's top 3 targets as Daniels, Martin and Yeast. All 3 were mentioned by recruiting analysts as potential 4* by the end of summer. Of course that's all opinion, but they have more knowledge on the subject than almost all of us.

It also mentioned Iowa is having another recruiting tailgate July 30-31 and if Daniels and/or Yeast attend it's a good sign and a commit could come that weekend.

 

[shotdoc08]

Hesse. Yes. Absolutely. His game film is off the charts. Special

So you predict he could come in, first year, first season, B1G, at his size, and do what he's doing against his current competition? I just think that's very optimistic. Also, do you think he chooses Iowa, knowing his best shot at playing time is as a "situational pass rusher?" I understand the infatuation, I do, Iowa kid, fantastic athleticism, but D-end is crowded and will be for the foreseeable future. My original comment was concerning someone's statement that he would/could be used "most" by this team, and realistically I've tried to say, he might not be "needed" at all, on this current roster. Sometimes things fall that way.

 

[funnyfletcher]

Just move AVG to TE, problem solved! I think Coons could be a solid TE, which would mean they might need a LB recruit.

 

[pocha444444]

So you predict he could come in, first year, first season, B1G, at his size, and do what he's doing against his current competition? I just think that's very optimistic. Also, do you think he chooses Iowa, knowing his best shot at playing time is as a "situational pass rusher?" I understand the infatuation, I do, Iowa kid, fantastic athleticism, but D-end is crowded and will be for the foreseeable future. My original comment was concerning someone's statement that he would/could be used "most" by this team, and realistically I've tried to say, he might not be "needed" at all, on this current roster. Sometimes things fall that way.

Who are the pass rushers going to be in 2017? It's an honest question. I don't follow recruiting that much anymore, just watch some highlight videos every now and then. I just know that from what I saw on the field last season, no one stood out as a "pass rusher". Yes we seem to be recruiting a lot of defensive ends, but how many of them are known for rushing the passer? If they are mostly a bunch of run stuffers then I would think a player like Van Ginkel would be a high priority.

 

[J_Heater]

Why are so many people convinced that a Van Ginkel is going to be a stud pass rusher in the Big 10? You should take his highlight video and treat it like HS highlight videos. Understand that he is going against OT's that were much slower than he is. If 230lb DE dominated in college football there would be far more of them.

 

[shotdoc08]

Who are the pass rushers going to be in 2017? It's an honest question. I don't follow recruiting that much anymore, just watch some highlight videos every now and then. I just know that from what I saw on the field last season, no one stood out as a "pass rusher". Yes we seem to be recruiting a lot of defensive ends, but how many of them are known for rushing the passer? If they are mostly a bunch of run stuffers then I would think a player like Van Ginkel would be a high priority.

Interestingly enough, Rivals provides a scholarship distribution chart right at the top of this very page! scroll over FB RECRUITING and the drop down window has a link for scholarship distribution chart, and you yourself can see who is there. Five new D-ends joined the team 3 weeks ago. 2017 will have no seniors.

Now for my opinion. Matt Nelson will have nearly 2 years of starting experience and people who know say he is a rare athlete, I don't think it would be easy to displace him with an incoming player. Everybody is discounting Hesse, but he may turn into another Drew Ott, he's certainly on that path. Does AVG play in front of Drew Ott ? We haven't seen Lattimore yet, but people who know are comparing him to Adrian Clayborne, does AVG play in front of an AC clone? AJE comes in as a 4-5 star, which essentially says he's college starter ready already. AJE will see many plays in 2017. They have Anthony Nelson, who is also a rare athletic talent. People in the know have high hopes for Golston, McKnight, and Schulte, all of those guys were better players in HS than AVG. Certainly not all will stay at D-end, but that's because we're loaded there. Don't forget Rieff and Simon. Absolutely, I'm making some huge generalizations, but my point is D-end is far from an area of need for the next 3-4 years, barring injuries or head cases.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Hesse. Yes. Absolutely. His game film is off the charts. Special

Don'the get me wrong, I want Van Ginkle to be a Hawk - however, your assessment of Hesse illustrates grand ignorance. The level of play that Hesse managed as just a RS FR was exceptionally impressive. Hesse was effectively the starter at DE for the Hawks for 11 games. He's going to additionally benefit from another year of starts in '16. Unless the coaches try to beef Hesse up and move him to the interior - I don't see anybody taking a starting gig from him.

 

[pocha444444]

Interestingly enough, Rivals provides a scholarship distribution chart right at the top of this very page! scroll over FB RECRUITING and the drop down window has a link for scholarship distribution chart, and you yourself can see who is there. Five new D-ends joined the team 3 weeks ago. 2017 will have no seniors.

Now for my opinion. Matt Nelson will have nearly 2 years of starting experience and people who know say he is a rare athlete, I don't think it would be easy to displace him with an incoming player. Everybody is discounting Hesse, but he may turn into another Drew Ott, he's certainly on that path. Does AVG play in front of Drew Ott ? We haven't seen Lattimore yet, but people who know are comparing him to Adrian Clayborne, does AVG play in front of an AC clone? AJE comes in as a 4-5 star, which essentially says he's college starter ready already. AJE will see many plays in 2017. They have Anthony Nelson, who is also a rare athletic talent. People in the know have high hopes for Golston, McKnight, and Schulte, all of those guys were better players in HS than AVG. Certainly not all will stay at D-end, but that's because we're loaded there. Don't forget Rieff and Simon. Absolutely, I'm making some huge generalizations, but my point is D-end is far from an area of need for the next 3-4 years, barring injuries or head cases.

Yes, you are being very optimistic about our current roster of D-ends. Hope you're right. You also didn't really answer my question, which, if any, are known for their pass rushing ability? Getting to the passer on third down is a big part of football these days. I'm not saying AVG would start over any players you listed, but I think he could have a very key role on the team. He is a big recruit, and from his video and stats seems to have a skill that I don't think anyone could argue this team lacks right now. I'm not sure why there is any resistance to the thought of him being a top priority recruit. And he's listed at 240 lbs on rivals, Hesse is listed at 250 lbs. I don't think the weight is a big issue for a situational pass rusher.

 

[icu81222]

Don'the get me wrong, I want Van Ginkle to be a Hawk - however, your assessment of Hesse illustrates grand ignorance. The level of play that Hesse managed as just a RS FR was exceptionally impressive. Hesse was effectively the starter at DE for the Hawks for 11 games. He's going to additionally benefit from another year of starts in '16. Unless the coaches try to beef Hesse up and move him to the interior - I don't see anybody taking a starting gig from him.

Hesse is a nice player and played because we had nothing better to put out there but van ginkel has elite skill.

Hesse played fundamentally sound DE. He helped Iowa win and filled a spot and did a nice job.

If you watch van ginkel and then watch Hesse, it's not that close.

 

[pocha444444]

Don'the get me wrong, I want Van Ginkle to be a Hawk - however, your assessment of Hesse illustrates grand ignorance. The level of play that Hesse managed as just a RS FR was exceptionally impressive. Hesse was effectively the starter at DE for the Hawks for 11 games. He's going to additionally benefit from another year of starts in '16. Unless the coaches try to beef Hesse up and move him to the interior - I don't see anybody taking a starting gig from him.

Hopefully Hesse develops into a great player, but he didn't really stand out much last season. Yes, he played in games, but what does that really mean? A player isn't automatically going to be good just because they play early in their career.

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

Interestingly enough, Rivals provides a scholarship distribution chart right at the top of this very page! scroll over FB RECRUITING and the drop down window has a link for scholarship distribution chart, and you yourself can see who is there. Five new D-ends joined the team 3 weeks ago. 2017 will have no seniors.

Now for my opinion. Matt Nelson will have nearly 2 years of starting experience and people who know say he is a rare athlete, I don't think it would be easy to displace him with an incoming player. Everybody is discounting Hesse, but he may turn into another Drew Ott, he's certainly on that path. Does AVG play in front of Drew Ott ? We haven't seen Lattimore yet, but people who know are comparing him to Adrian Clayborne, does AVG play in front of an AC clone? AJE comes in as a 4-5 star, which essentially says he's college starter ready already. AJE will see many plays in 2017. They have Anthony Nelson, who is also a rare athletic talent. People in the know have high hopes for Golston, McKnight, and Schulte, all of those guys were better players in HS than AVG. Certainly not all will stay at D-end, but that's because we're loaded there. Don't forget Rieff and Simon. Absolutely, I'm making some huge generalizations, but my point is D-end is far from an area of need for the next 3-4 years, barring injuries or head cases.

You can only see the scholarship dis. chart if you're a paid member.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Who are the pass rushers going to be in 2017? It's an honest question. I don't follow recruiting that much anymore, just watch some highlight videos every now and then. I just know that from what I saw on the field last season, no one stood out as a "pass rusher". Yes we seem to be recruiting a lot of defensive ends, but how many of them are known for rushing the passer? If they are mostly a bunch of run stuffers then I would think a player like Van Ginkel would be a high priority.

Did you follow Drew Ott's career at Iowa? That also is an honest question. Very early in his career did he strike you as an elite pass rusher? Furthermore, are you familiar with 2 gap defensive line play?

Iowa's defensive scheme asks a lot of their defensive linemen. Early in their career an enormous amount of effort is dedicated to helping things become ingrained. As the guys get to the point where they can execute their base responsibilities with consistency, they play faster and gain the steps that can result in more TFLs and sacks.

The comments above explain how Ott managed to start off the 2015 season poised to be a pretty elite pass rusher. We'll invariably see similar progressions with several of the other DEs who are either already on the roster or who have already committed.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Hopefully Hesse develops into a great player, but he didn't really stand out much last season. Yes, he played in games, but what does that really mean? A player isn't automatically going to be good just because they play early in their career.

I critically break down the DL play of the Hawks after each game. I guarantee you that Hesse will develop into an exceptional D-lineman provided he can remain healthy.

He was an undersized guy in '15 who still managed to more than hold his own. He was very solid against the run ... and we can anticipate that he'll only improve against the pass.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I respectfully disagree. Even with 3 guys coming in this year (Fant, Hock, Beyer) they'll have a shortage of TE's starting the 2017 season. Unless they radically change their personel groups. The majority have 2 TE's.

I realize I'm discounting non-scholarship players, but as it stands, unless something changes, they will only have 1 upperclassman scholarship TE in 2017 (Wiz), and 1 in 2018 (Vev). Hope for no injuries, or head cases.

Fant, Hockenson, Beyer: 2 will have to play year, to get them ready for 2017, and one will have to redshirt, to space out the numbers.

Regardless, I think they should recruit another TE in this class.

While I'm sure that the Hawks are still evaluating TE prospects in this class - you have to remember that there are still a ton of guys who are currently on the roster who still might switch positions over to TE.

For example, Cook could still switch over to TE. Also, guys like Welch and Nick Niemann both are guys who project at DE/TE/LB. That sort of versatility gives the coaches a little more wiggle room in how they recruit,

 

[pocha444444]

Did you follow Drew Ott's career at Iowa? That also is an honest question. Very early in his career did he strike you as an elite pass rusher? Furthermore, are you familiar with 2 gap defensive line play?

Iowa's defensive scheme asks a lot of their defensive linemen. Early in their career an enormous amount of effort is dedicated to helping things become ingrained. As the guys get to the point where they can execute their base responsibilities with consistency, they play faster and gain the steps that can result in more TFLs and sacks.

The comments above explain how Ott managed to start off the 2015 season poised to be a pretty elite pass rusher. We'll invariably see similar progressions with several of the other DEs who are either already on the roster or who have already committed.

Drew Ott showed flashes his first full year playing. I didn't see the same thing last year from Hesse. I hope you are right on your guarantee though. And you win on watching the line play after games, I only pay attention to it during the games. I still think it wouldn't hurt to add another potential pass rusher to a team that didn't show much in the way of natural pass rushers last season. I guess that's a crazy idea.

 

[shotdoc08]

Hesse is a nice player and played because we had nothing better to put out there but van ginkel has elite skill.

Hesse played fundamentally sound DE. He helped Iowa win and filled a spot and did a nice job.

If you watch van ginkel and then watch Hesse, it's not that close.

I'm really not trying to sound like I'm bashing you. Everyone is welcome to have an opinion. But if you're basing your "elite skill" and "it's not that close," evaluation from watching a few videos of him making plays in practice, and running down a running back from behind, I don't know what to tell you. If you think that AVG will look like he looks, in those videos, against B1G O-linemen, his first fall in the league, well then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[pocha444444]

I'm really not trying to sound like I'm bashing you. Everyone is welcome to have an opinion. But if you're basing your "elite skill" and "it's not that close," evaluation from watching a few videos of him making plays in practice, and running down a running back from behind, I don't know what to tell you. If you think that AVG will look like he looks, in those videos, against B1G O-linemen, his first fall in the league, well then I don't know what to tell you.

Why are you assuming that people think he will look exactly like he does in his video in the big ten? Obviously that would not be the case. Choose another point to argue. What exactly were you basing Lattimore being the next Clayborn or Anthony Nelson being a "rare athlete" on other than some videos and hearsay?

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

Drew Ott showed flashes his first full year playing. I didn't see the same thing last year from Hesse. I hope you are right on your guarantee though. And you win on watching the line play after games, I only pay attention to it during the games. I still think it wouldn't hurt to add another potential pass rusher to a team that didn't show much in the way of natural pass rushers last season. I guess that's a crazy idea.

Read my prior posts. I too said that I'd like to see Van Ginkel become a Hawk. However, I don't see him having a layup to any starting spots on the DL. His best shot to start would either require a starting DE slide to the inside (which actually has occurred on quite a number of occasions at Iowa) or having a starting DE get hurt.

Regardless, it's always great to have high quality depth.

 

[pocha444444]

Nm

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I'm really not trying to sound like I'm bashing you. Everyone is welcome to have an opinion. But if you're basing your "elite skill" and "it's not that close," evaluation from watching a few videos of him making plays in practice, and running down a running back from behind, I don't know what to tell you. If you think that AVG will look like he looks, in those videos, against B1G O-linemen, his first fall in the league, well then I don't know what to tell you.

To further support your contention, I'd that Iowa had Woody Orne join the Hawks from South Dakota State where he was a newcomer of the year recipient in the conference. He was a valuable member of the Hawks, but I don't believe he ever earned a start. The point being that there most definitely can be a difference in the level of line play you see in a week-in, week-out basis.

 

[shotdoc08]

Why are you assuming that people think he will look exactly like he does in his video in the big ten? Obviously that would not be the case. Choose another point to argue. What exactly were you basing Lattimore being the next Clayborn or Anthony Nelson being a "rare athlete" on other than some videos and hearsay?

Not wanting to digress into an argument here, just pointing out your words "elite skill" and "not that close" is your opinion.

I'll have to take a little time to find the quote from Reese Morgan about A. Nelson, and the article from the recruiting talent "writer" that compared Lattimore to AC.

They weren't my words or my opinions. I'm just regurgitating what someone qualified said, to solidify my opinion. which I again reiterate, AVG is not a must have in this class. Certainly if you possess the talent evaluation qualifications of a position coach, or someone who does this everyday for a living, then my apologies.

 

[pocha444444]

They weren't my words or my opinions.

Well if you will allow me to apologize for thinking that while taking those examples from a paragraph you began with the phrase, "now for my opinion." I believe you, I just thought that was funny. Yes, I do believe that a coach said good things about one of his players. It's not like that doesn't happen all the time...

 

[pocha444444]

Well if you will allow me to apologize for thinking that while taking those examples from a paragraph you began with the phrase, "now for my opinion." I believe you, I just thought that was funny. Yes, I do believe that a coach said good things about one of his players. It's not like that doesn't happen all the time...

Also I believe the "elite skill" and "not that close" were from another poster.

 

[unoHawkeye]

While Van Ginkel may not be a necessity due to a current abundance of ends on the roster, and some pretty hyped up guys coming in (Epenesa, Lattimore, etc.), but if Iowa has a chance to bring in a guy who will increase competition at the position and make every player better (while hopefully pushing for playing time), then why not take it?

That said, I don't think Iowa has a great chance at him, with the issues regarding playing time. If you're coming out of JUCO, chances are you are looking for a place where you can earn some playing time. Minnesota is logistically a better spot for him than Iowa is IMO.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Okay guys we need to take a step back and use some logic here. AVG is a 4 star JUCO recruit. Since when can Iowa afford turn down 4 star talent? As an undersized true frosh he dominated at USD. Rivals has him listed at 240 pounds. It is not out of the possibility that he could show up to Iowa 250+. That's as big or bigger than 6 DEs currently on the roster. He would come in and contribute immediately. You can't have enough good pass rushers.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/167687