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Most on here know who I am and know my background. I never said I know everything. But reading some of this nonsense is hilarious. Every coach does need a start but that start doesn't happen with a top 5 program year in and year out. One of the best doesn't mean the best. Go look at recruiting rankings since M* was hired Iowa has been up there. Cael has built it (proving they can win individual titles with damn near everyone) now all the kids want to come that's what I meant by that. Just like Gable did

Find a post where I said we needed to totally clean house of the current staff.

However, do I think we need TWO Brands? NO. I've said that for several years now.

Do we need our entire staff to be former Hawkeyes? NO. Also said that for several years.

Ideally we keep one of the Brands as the head coach and find different assistants.

If we want DIFFERENT RESULTS, we can't keep doing the same things. Something needs to CHANGE.
 
The most polite answer I can give you is you are just plain wrong. That would be like me making the assumption that because you are opposed to his administration's polices that you must be pro ILLEGAL immigration? As such, you must be supportive of the drug cartels and have no issue with the flow of fentanyl into our country and the sex trafficking that is so profitable to your cartel? FYI - one of Trump's primary fights was to stop sex trafficking. You also then must be in favor of the more than 20,000 adult age Chinese men that have crossed illegally over our southern borders. Nothing to see there I'm sure. You must be in favor of biological men dominating and beating up women in "women's" sports? You must be in favor of the weaponization of the DOJ and actual destruction of our democracy through the targeting of political opponents? The true cult member looks past all that because Orange Man bad.

None of this makes any sense or addresses @MAGAman's extreme hypocrisy in character judgements. He's now done it in regards to AJ Ferrari and Tom Brands. It's complete hypocrisy and moral inconsistency. It's absurd to read and warrants being called out. He's criticized Tom Brands' character and pointed out alleged flaws of Brands while Trump is worse at every single one of those character traits.

I'll continue to call him out for the absurd hypocrisy as long as he continues to criticize people for character traits that he supports in Trump.

It's not about politics, it's about clear and obvious hypocrisy.
 
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No, it's pointing out that in your exact own words you are too triggered by someone's username to even be able to digest his posts. That's borderline mental illness and that's putting it gently.

You don't know what the words "in your exact own words" mean.

It seems me to me that you are the one who is triggered. I digested his post and replied to him pointing out that nearly every point he made is hypocritical and inconsistent from what he's said previously. It's a clear double standard. The username isn't the issue. The issue is that his criticisms directed at Tom Brands can't be taken seriously when he's actively contracting himself.
 
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So with the logic of many on this board every coach in D1 not named Cael should be fired .
DO you honestly feel like Iowa is headed in the right direction??? You're right our past is better than everyone but PSU but I don't see the future as bright as you do. Iowa wrestling is becoming a wee bit stale and it starts but not brining in any new blood. You obviously are way closer to the team than most so You would have a better feel, but from the outside looking in Iowa is drifting farther away...
 
It seems me to me that you are the one who is triggered. I digested his post and replied to him pointing out that nearly every point he made is hypocritical and inconsistent from what he's said previously. It's a clear double standard. The username isn't the issue. The issue is that his criticisms directed at Tom Brands can't be taken seriously when he's actively contracting himself.
Triggered? No lol. Astounded people are so obsessed with politics they post things like this, "I just can't take any of your posts like this seriously with your username @MAGAman." Yes.
Have you tried unplugging from all national politics discussion, news, twitter etc... for a few weeks and see how it effects your well being? I bet you'd feel incredibly refreshed.
 
Triggered? No lol. Astounded people are so obsessed with politics they post things like this, "I just can't take any of your posts like this seriously with your username @MAGAman." Yes.
Have you tried unplugging from all national politics discussion, news, twitter etc... for a few weeks and see how it effects your well being? I bet you'd feel incredibly refreshed.

That isn't because his username is @MAGAman. It's because he was criticizing Tom Brands' personality traits when Trump displays all of those traits that he was criticizing to a much, much worse degree. Cut the bullshit. You seem very bothered that I pointed out that hypocrisy.

This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with calling out clear and obvious hypocrisy and logical inconsistency.
 
That isn't because his username is @MAGAman. It's because he was criticizing Tom Brands' personality traits when Trump displays all of those traits that he was criticizing to a much, much worse degree. Cut the bullshit. You seem very bothered that I pointed out that hypocrisy.

This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with calling out clear and obvious hypocrisy and logical inconsistency.
I just can't take any of your posts like this seriously with your username @MAGAman. Almost every thing you say is contradicted by your username. - Vodka

You need to quit backtracking and changing direction. Your comment had everything to do with his username.
 
I just can't take any of your posts like this seriously with your username @MAGAman. Almost every thing you say is contradicted by your username. - Vodka

You need to quit backtracking and changing direction. Your comment had everything to do with his username.

I don't say that to all of his posts. I say it to the posts where he criticizes people for the same character flaws that Trump has. He writes people off specifically because of their personality, behavior, or speech, yet has a clear double standard.

That isn't backtracking. The comment has everything to do with @MAGAman's hypocrisy and contradictory post. This shouldn't be difficult to comprehend.
 
I don't say that to all of his posts. I say it to the posts where he criticizes people for the same character flaws that Trump has. He writes people off specifically because of their personality, behavior, or speech, yet has a clear double standard.

That isn't backtracking. The comment has everything to do with @MAGAman's hypocrisy and contradictory post. This shouldn't be difficult to comprehend.
Ive stayed away from political banter ever since that one thread went a bit aggressive. Been trying to stick to wrestling. Vodka if my user name triggers you that bad ill change it. My user name wasnt meant to upset people. Obviously over 1/2 of america supports it. But if its ruining your days id be willing to change it. Btw i dont care what side anyone is on, who doesnt want to make america and Iowa great again!
 
None of this makes any sense or addresses @MAGAman's extreme hypocrisy in character judgements. He's now done it in regards to AJ Ferrari and Tom Brands. It's complete hypocrisy and moral inconsistency. It's absurd to read and warrants being called out. He's criticized Tom Brands' character and pointed out alleged flaws of Brands while Trump is worse at every single one of those character traits.

I'll continue to call him out for the absurd hypocrisy as long as he continues to criticize people for character traits that he supports in Trump.

It's not about politics, it's about clear and obvious hypocrisy.
I could not care less about Magaman or what you think his name refers to. And as far as not making sense - you need to do just a bit of self reflection.
 
Ive stayed away from political banter ever since that one thread went a bit aggressive. Been trying to stick to wrestling. Vodka if my user name triggers you that bad ill change it. My user name wasnt meant to upset people. Obviously over 1/2 of america supports it. But if its ruining your days id be willing to change it. Btw i dont care what side anyone is on, who doesnt want to make america and Iowa great again!

This completely ignores my response to your post. It has nothing to do with political banter. You criticized Tom Brands for a multitude of character flaws that you believe he holds, and Trump holds all of those flaws to a much more extreme degree.

It doesn't trigger me. I'm letting you know that myself, and many others can't take your posts in regards to character/personality/etc seriously when you have that username. I'm not the only one to call you out on this. I just came across a post you made in another thread where someone called you out in the same manner.


And your claim that over 1/2 of America supports MAGA is a delusional alternative fact.

I honestly agree with many of your posts, but all of your reasonable points in regards to character, morality, narcissism, professionalism, respect, trusting X person with your daughter, etc. are undermined and contradicted by your username. It's cognitive dissonance.
 
I could not care less about Magaman or what you think his name refers to. And as far as not making sense - you need to do just a bit of self reflection.

You need to self reflect. You aren't following or comprehending the conversation and are lashing out because I've criticized hypocritical and inconsistent standards. That shouldn't be triggering.
 
Look at me, doing the leg work for you.
Back under Other Forums, there’s one called Off Topic that specifically says “Come on in and talk politics, religion, etc…”. Perhaps invite and do political battle there with all monikers that trigger you? You’re welcome.

I'm not here to discuss politics. 10 people come out of the woodwork when I point out to @MAGAman that his post criticizing Tom Brands' character/personality is completely contradicted by his username.

It's telling that you jump all over me calling that out.
 
PSU also has top 10 guys guys that don't live up to the hype. Plenty of them. They just get more of them.
Who? There are certainly a couple (Teasdale, Gulibon, Manville), but they are few and far between. Class of 2023, Penn State wasn't even in the top 5:


The Top 5 were 1. Mich, 2. Iowa, 3. Va Tech, 4. Ok St, 5. Cornell. Penn State's biggest recruits were Tyler Kasak and Josh Barr. Where are the guys now?

Mich
Lemley - ranked 13 coming off biggest win of his career
Mantanona - redshirting but has looked decent
Horwath - 2-6 as a redshirt
Gilcher - 7-7 as a redshirt
Walters - no matches as a redshirt
Adams - greyshirting to focus on greco

Iowa
Jesuroga - quit wrestling
Keuter - redshirting? Will always have a conflict with football
Arnold - redshirting? Has looked good when he gets a chance
Block - redshirting/injured?

VA Tech
Mullen - 11-3, redshirting
Sasso - 11-8, redshirting

On the other hand, from Penn State's non-top 5 recruiting class, Josh Barr is also redshirting but is 14-0 with 3 tournament wins and a B1G dual win, Tyler Kasak is ranked 12 and could be an AA, and the far less heralded Braeden Davis is now ranked #2 and looking like a potential AA if not finalist.

You could go through this exercise for every year. The 2022 #1 recruiting class was tOSU with Mendez, Bouzakis, Feldman, and Shumate, but Penn State's lone top 25 recruit was Levi Haines, who was a finalist as a true frosh and ranked #1 this year.

Penn State finally actually has a #1 recruiting class for 2024 with Lilledahl, Healey, Ryder, and the Mirasolas. Given the rate that they hit immediately with lesser ranked classes, look out below for this one.
 
That isn't because his username is @MAGAman. It's because he was criticizing Tom Brands' personality traits when Trump displays all of those traits that he was criticizing to a much, much worse degree. Cut the bullshit. You seem very bothered that I pointed out that hypocrisy.

This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with calling out clear and obvious hypocrisy and logical inconsistency.
Nothing to do with politics? Are you serious?? You brought politics into it by conflating his wrestling opinions, with his user name and Trump! Do you not understand how politically obsessed and weird that is??
 
Nothing to do with politics? Are you serious?? You brought politics into it by conflating his wrestling opinions, with his user name and Trump! Do you not understand how politically obsessed and weird that is??

I didn't comment on his wrestling opinions. I was responding to his personality trait criticisms of Tom Brands.

Your responsed to me and have come across as politically obsessed and weird. You're obsessed with the fact that I called out blatant hypocrisy in regards to character judgement.
 
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lost another thread way to go vodka you f....ing a..hol..
I made one comment calling out blatant hypocrisy and double standards. The 10 people who were triggered by that and have come out of the woodwork to take issue with that all contribute to thread derailment.

To be clear. Every single time I read a @MAGAman post hypocritically condemning someone for a personality trait that Trump exemplifies, I will call it out.
 
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I didn't comment on his wrestling opinions. I was responding to his personality trait criticisms of Tom Brands.

Your responses to me and have come across as politically obsessed and weird. You're obsessed with the fact that I called out blatant hypocrisy in regards to character judgement.
Yep, keep doubling down instead of just admitting you brought politics into a discussion that didn't require one. Bau.
 
I didn't comment on his wrestling opinions. I was responding to his personality trait criticisms of Tom Brands.

Your responses to me and have come across as politically obsessed and weird. You're obsessed with the fact that I called out blatant hypocrisy in regards to character judgement.
Nobody cares about his politics (except you obviously). We only care whether or not what he says about Brands is true and relevant. Doesn’t matter what you find hypocritical. All that matters on the wrestling board is whether or not his opinions regarding Brands (or the team or whatnot pertaining to wrestling) are worth discussing. So, please take your Trump Derangement Syndrome drivel somewhere else. Thanks.
 
Honestly I do not know if there was a satisfactory answer for most. Think back to the Gable days if you were around. I remember when he won the Gold, I was 9 btw. He went to Iowa and built the program into arguably the best ever. How was anyone going to beat Iowa back then? well the answer was wait until he retires, then wait until another potential all time great coach comes along like Sanderson.

Gable's era started 49 years ago and for years after he retired Iowa was at the top or close until Sanderson started at PSU. Now they're still close to the top but with a widened gap, similar to other programs in the Gable era. The difference is Sanderson is in the most wrestling fertile area in the country. PSU football is in the same boat, all my football buddies want to fire Franklin and somehow they think some better coach will make PSU number 1. Nest year PSU might sniff the playoffs but i doubt they win a football title anytime soon. Things have changed.
A lot of us psu fans do want Franklin gone…..just like many of you want Kerk gone……certainly don’t think it would be instant fix to get psu football to the top but Franklin has held the reigns for what 10 plus years and not 1 playoff appearance…….he has had plenty of time. I think with wrestling a lot of the so called 5 star recruits want to be in a room with lots of the high profile guys……yes a new shiny state of the art facility is cool but I think to many of you hawk fans are putting to much stock in that…the brands bros are fiery and have a strong passion for the sport no doubt, but I don’t think they are everyones cup of tea
 
Nobody cares about his politics (except you obviously). We only care whether or not what he says about Brands is true and relevant. Doesn’t matter what you find hypocritical. All that matters on the wrestling board is whether or not his opinions regarding Brands (or the team or whatnot pertaining to wrestling) are worth discussing. So, please take your Trump Derangement Syndrome drivel somewhere else. Thanks.

In a world where we make rhetorical arguments based on logical foundations, if the foundation is inconsistently applied then it warrants push back. His criticisms of Tom Brands' character don't deserve to be seriously considered if he quite clearly doesn't apply that standard to other individuals who he supports.

Trump derangement syndrome is making your username on a wrestling forum about Trump or responding to posts that call out hypocritical double standards because your dear leader was used to illustrate the double standard.
 
Hey I just made one comment calling out blatant hypocrisy and double standards. The 10 people who were triggered by that and have come out of the woodwork to take issue with that all contribute to thread derailment.

To be clear. Every single time I read a @MAGAman post hypocritically condemning someone for a personality trait that Trump exemplifies, I will call it out.
Why? What do you gain? Wouldn’t it be easier to just ignore and move on?
 
Most people who are "maga" love the man. They like the man specifically because of all of those terrible characteristics. Policies are secondary or irrelevant to them. They don't go to rallies or read his social media posts to hear him talk about policies. There isn't a cult of personality due to his policies. It's due to his personality traits.
Still blows my mind that people still don’t understand why a lot of Americans support Trump.
 
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In a world where we make rhetorical arguments based on logical foundations, if the foundation is inconsistently applied then it warrants push back. His criticisms of Tom Brands' character don't deserve to be seriously considered if he quite clearly doesn't apply that standard to other individuals who he supports.

Trump derangement syndrome is making your username on a wrestling forum about Trump or responding to posts that call out hypocritical double standards because your dear leader was used to illustrate the double standard.
Buddy, it’s clear you irrationally hate Trump. You may keep masking the hatred by claiming that everyone responding to you just worships him or by pretending it’s all about a fellow poster’s supposed hypocrisy, but you’re not fooling anyone. We all see you crazy man.
 
Buddy, it’s clear you irrationally hate Trump. You may keep masking the hatred by claiming that everyone responding to you just worships him or by pretending it’s all about a fellow poster’s supposed hypocrisy, but you’re not fooling anyone. We all see you crazy man.

Keep projecting. Your commitment to crying about me calling out clear and absurd hypocrisy is TDS on display.
 
Maybe you should consider “maga” is more about the belief in policies than beloving the man? It’s a term constantly cultivated by the left to be a negative and as you can attest to it has worked with many.
MAGA is now directly tied into the beloved leader with 92 felony counts over four jurisdictions who wants to MAGA through seditious acts.
 
I'm not here to discuss politics. 10 people come out of the woodwork when I point out to @MAGAman that his post criticizing Tom Brands' character/personality is completely contradicted by his username.

It's telling that you jump all over me calling that out.
Never had a “tell” before, so I’ll scratch that off my bucket list. Feels kinda cool.
I’d say I’m curious exactly what it “tells” you about me, only I’m not.
And to be clear, you object to a TB criticism solely because a guy’s username appears to support a former president, but you’re not being political? Glad you cleared that up.
Now back to our regular scheduled programming.
 
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Never had a “tell” before, so I’ll scratch that off my bucket list. Feels kinda cool.
I’d say I’m curious exactly what it “tells” you about me, only I’m not.
And to be clear, you object to a TB criticism solely because a guy’s username appears to support a former president, but you’re not being political? Glad you cleared that up.
Now back to our regular scheduled programming.

I don't object to a TB criticism. I just don't take it seriously considering the guy criticizing Tom Brands for various negative personality traits espouses support for another man who exemplifies all of those traits. That's called irrational hypocrisy. The tell is that you jumped out of the woodwork along with others in the same boat to condemn me for "making the thread political" while playing dumb on the reason for my post.
 
Why? What do you gain? Wouldn’t it be easier to just ignore and move on?

What does anyone gain from posting on an online forum? It's discourse. I enjoy reading other's opinions and I give my own. What are you gaining from having a back and forth with me right now? Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore and move on?
 
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You could go through this exercise for every year. The 2022 #1 recruiting class was tOSU with Mendez, Bouzakis, Feldman, and Shumate, but Penn State's lone top 25 recruit was Levi Haines, who was a finalist as a true frosh and ranked #1 this year.

Penn State finally actually has a #1 recruiting class for 2024 with Lilledahl, Healey, Ryder, and the Mirasolas. Given the rate that they hit immediately with lesser ranked classes, look out below for this one.
Watch out for PSU if they finally get some good recruits. That's your point?
 
A lot of us psu fans do want Franklin gone…..just like many of you want Kerk gone……certainly don’t think it would be instant fix to get psu football to the top but Franklin has held the reigns for what 10 plus years and not 1 playoff appearance…….he has had plenty of time. I think with wrestling a lot of the so called 5 star recruits want to be in a room with lots of the high profile guys……yes a new shiny state of the art facility is cool but I think to many of you hawk fans are putting to much stock in that…the brands bros are fiery and have a strong passion for the sport no doubt, but I don’t think they are everyones cup of tea
I am a PSU grad and fan btw, and I do not see replacing Franklin. Sometimes you can't fix things by simply plugging in a new coach. You need a special kind of coach and there aren't enough to go around for all of those who consider themselves contenders.
 
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Ive stayed away from political banter ever since that one thread went a bit aggressive. Been trying to stick to wrestling. Vodka if my user name triggers you that bad ill change it. My user name wasnt meant to upset people. Obviously over 1/2 of america supports it. But if its ruining your days id be willing to change it. Btw i dont care what side anyone is on, who doesnt want to make america and Iowa great again!
Over half of America DOESN’T support MAGA. More like 20% and falling, imo. MAGA lost by over 7,000,000 votes in last election before 91 felony charges were filed over four jurisdictions.
 
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I don't object to a TB criticism. I just don't take it seriously considering the guy criticizing Tom Brands for various negative personality traits espouses support for another man who exemplifies all of those traits. That's called irrational hypocrisy. The tell is that you jumped out of the woodwork along with others in the same boat to condemn me for "making the thread political" while playing dumb on the reason for my post.
It’s a freaking message board. Who cares if he’s being hypocritical? The point of the board is to discuss wrestling, which he was doing by talking about Brands. Stop making things political on here. There’s several of you who engage in it constantly. It’s like you just can’t help yourselves.
 
It’s a freaking message board. Who cares if he’s being hypocritical? The point of the board is to discuss wrestling, which he was doing by talking about Brands. Stop making things political on here. There’s several of you who engage in it constantly. It’s like you just can’t help yourselves.

Another one fresh out of the woodwork.

It's like you just can't help yourselves.
 
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