Arujau's last folkstyle match was 21 months ago (with the exception of last month's Stanford dual, in which he wrestled 133). He outscored his opponents 30-9 without anyone even touching his legs in neutral and of course giving up no offensive points. He would have scored more, but the third match ended in :58.
Strategy against Spencer
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I agree with you on Vito. I think he is Spencer's biggest threat this year. That includes Glory and Nicky pushups as well. I think Vito is better than Glory and Nick sucked down to 125. I hope it is seeded so they are the top four seeds come NCAAs.
So his last folkstyle match wasn't 21 months ago. It was last month versus Stanford. Lee scored more points and allowed less points in his first three matches back and did it against tougher competition.
Is NothingMeaningful a descriptor of what goes on between your ears?
Glory is a massive 125 lber. He’s Spencer’s biggest threat IMO given his excellent top game. I think Vito can take Spencer down, he’s done it before, but Spencer wins the hand fighting and positional battle 8/10.
Btw, Spencer is still a massive favorite, and all of this talk about him looking rusty is pretty dang silly. He might not get the bonus that we’re used to seeing just because I think he’ll have to approach matches a bit differently but he’s still amazing.
They are also honing in on his bar arm, there were a few times I think they called potentially dangerous a little quick. Whenever he starts to run the bar you can see the refs step close even when it’s even across the back. Coaches have complained about this in the past and I think all refs are now cutting this position out. Yet another thing Spencer will overcome. The kids a superhero without a cape basically.
Did you overlook the fact that I excepted his Stanford match?
Correction on your data: Arujau scored more points (32) in his first two matches back (including up a weight) than Spencer did (31) in his first three matches back. Not sure how to score that pin, though he did score 44 points in his first three other matches. If you meant to say that Spencer scored more points (31) in his first three matches this week than did Arujau in his first two matches this week (30), then you are correct.
As for quality of opponents: you can only wrestle the guy across from you. Of course, Spencer beat an R12 guy while Arujau beat an R12 guy *and* an All-American. But whatever.
That is like saying "I always go to the bathroom in the toilet except when I shit my pants". If there is an exception, the statement is not true. His last folkstyle match before this weekend was last month. Not 21 months ago. Fact. It would be pretty freakin disingenuous for me to post "Kaleb Young has only been bonused by Isiaah Martinez (except for this last weekend when he gave up bonus points twice)."
I used your data of Vito's points being 30-9. I should have known from your entirely illogical first sentence that I shouldn't trust the rest of the post.
Yes, Vito did beat All American Sam Latona. Sam Latona who has started this season with an impressive 4-6 record.
If Spencer gets the 1 seed as he should if undefeated BIG champ. Who would you guys like to see as the 4 seed? Lets assume its between Glory/Suriano/Vito and Courtney is the 5 seed.
As crazy as it seems I’d say I’d want Suriano to be the 4 seed. Reason being, I think Suriano is less dynamic on offense and is more willing to stand and hand fight, which I think favors Spencer. Glory can ride, and could potentially turn Spencer, he might have gotten a two count on Spencer during their midlands match. If memory serves. I also think Glory is huge.
Vito is offensively talented and could threaten Spencer with his outside attacks, especially if Lee is dinged up even more heading into Nationals, which is possible given his current ailments.
Spencer is still more well rounded even when he’s compromised. I’d make him the betting favorite come March. Let’s not forget that Spencer turns into an absolute animals in March.
Editing my post because I actually looked at schedules. I opt to withhold my answer until ASU vs Michigan, ASU vs Princeton, and Princeton vs Cornell have their dual meets.
Probably won't matter as I would not be one bit surprised if the Ivy League schools shut down wrestling in the next couple weeks.
We get it, you're passionate about Cornell wrestling. You're posting on a forum full of passionate fans. I think your passion is deluding your thoughts on this subject. Arujau's style is not good against Spencer Lee. Watch Spencer's matches against funk and watch what happens to anyone who is in a scramble situation against him. Spencer is always in good position and has a sort of sixth sense on exactly what his body needs to do in those situations. Arujau is really good, but Spencer missing 2 ACLs isn't enough to close the gap.
@NothingMeaningful you sir are a fukin moron.
I like the concept, but I don't think that will work in reality. I'm just going to stay 5 feet away from Spencer and do some fakes and half shots while circling and pretending that I'm engaging. And if he pushes me to the edge then backs up to the center, I'm going to follow him back but stay 5 feet away, maybe even pretend that I'm chasing him for a second or two.
I just re-watched the Courtney match. Courtney did exactly as above, but tried a shot when he was near the edge to avoid the stall call. Spencer caught him on one in the second. In the third period Spencer had no reason to pursue. It didn't draw a stall call, but Courtney had to follow him back. Spencer still had to get both of his TDs 25% in-bounds and 75% out. Really amazing wrestling by Spencer.
And I get the strategy if you are the inferior wrestler, but it is so frustrating to watch.
The Ivy League schools are on a monthlong winter break.
Read what I said initially: this week's version of Arujau beats this week's version of Spencer. Is that so deluded? Have you watched Arujau's matches?
Arujau's "style" is not scrambling: it is insane quickness and clean finishes. He really doesn't scramble that much, because he doesn't need to. He's not Yianni.
Do you spend all day running from board to board defending Cornell? It's all i see from you on 3 different boards. The last time Lee and Vito wrestled Lee kicked the shit out of him. And that's putting it lightly. Now all of a sudden Vito is better?! Lee will fukin rag doll Vito, again, if they meet up. You should just worry about Vito even getting far enough to get that chance.
I watched his matches. I watched him get in positions with Teske that would get him swiftly stuck against Lee. He's just not clean enough on his finishes and relies too much on his scrambling. He also needs to be quicker on his feet. The only thing we agree on is that he isn't Yianni.
I was thinking about this scenario and I keep asking myself who out of the 3 discussed does Courtney have the best shot to beat in the quarters. I would much rather see Lee wrestle Courtney in the semis than any of the other 3. If Ivy’s cancel that would eliminate Vito and Glory. I think I’d chose Glory as 4 seed for 2 reasons. 1st I really want to see Lee beat him. 2 I think Courtney has the best shot of knocking off glory in quarters compared to Vito or Suriano.
If Courntey "ducks" Suriano and Glory in regular season, he will likely be 2/3 seed as an undefeated conference champ. I'd rather watch Lee beat 2/3 of Glory/Vito/Suriano anyway
1) Spencer is very aware of the trend of guys 'playing that game'.
2) you don't see a whole lot of scrambles from Spencer as, frankly, scrambles are predicated upon mistakes in technique. which is why...
3) Spencer is a very underrated scrambler
not sure what a lot of people were watching. must have been the scoreboard and not the actual wrestling. b/c spencer dominated every situation.
2) you don't see a whole lot of scrambles from Spencer as, frankly, scrambles are predicated upon mistakes in technique. which is why...
3) Spencer is a very underrated scrambler
not sure what a lot of people were watching. must have been the scoreboard and not the actual wrestling. b/c spencer dominated every situation.
Ask nato what happens when you try to scramble on Spencer…
there’s too many variables and unknowns at this point to think of seeding. But I am certain whoever faces against spencer is gonna get stalked by him for 7 mins like a dog on a bone.
