That's the (translated) comment from the "Kremlin spokesman," as seen on RT.
What do you make of that?
What do you make of that?
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There is a difference were not putting missiles in UkraineWe declared a blockade on Cuba to prevent military stockpiles on our ‘border’, but no one seems to be able to understand how anyone else could think that way.
We declared a blockade on Cuba to prevent military stockpiles on our ‘border’, but no one seems to be able to understand how anyone else could think that way.
Yet.There is a difference were not putting missiles in Ukraine
Isn’t that sort of a self fulfilling prophecy? Tell your neighbor you’re going to burn their house down….then when them and other neighbors line up to stop you….”I can’t have this kind of aggression on my lot line!!!!”Yet.
Well, not nukes. But we and our main allies are sending surface-to-air and anti-tank missiles. Short range weapons, useful for the upcoming "skirmish."
"Real" missiles will wait for Ukraine to join NATO. And that's why Putin feels he has to get a deal now or make a military move.
Is Putin correct to worry about real missiles in Ukraine once Ukraine joins NATO? Who knows? But I don't doubt for a minute that that's what Putin thinks will happen if he doesn't stop it.
That's the TV version of what's happening. The US TV version, to be more accurate. Not helpful.Isn’t that sort of a self fulfilling prophecy? Tell your neighbor you’re going to burn their house down….then when them and other neighbors line up to stop you….”I can’t have this kind of aggression on my lot line!!!!”
Not that she's wrong, but this is exactly what I'd expect her to say. She's a conservative and hawkish. Not a fascist, but no liberal. You have to be a hawkish con to praise Pompeo.
It's going to be funny when we get to year 4 and you are still teying to say the Trump shit. Way to reinforce the do nothing dems mantra.
Yet.
Well, not nukes. But we and our main allies are sending surface-to-air and anti-tank missiles. Short range weapons, useful for the upcoming "skirmish."
"Real" missiles will wait for Ukraine to join NATO. And that's why Putin feels he has to get a deal now or make a military move.
Is Putin correct to worry about real missiles in Ukraine once Ukraine joins NATO? Who knows? But I don't doubt for a minute that that's what Putin thinks will happen if he doesn't stop it.
Putin is asking for guarantees that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO.
We are refusing to make that commitment, pretending like it isn't up to us.
If we wanted to put an end to this growing crisis, we should offer a limited guarantee. Say no admission to NATO for 10 years.
I have no idea if Putin would accept such a deal, but that gives everybody 10 years to try peaceful solutions.
I don't know when we reach the point of no return. Might be there already.
Rationale for a decision already madeThat's the (translated) comment from the "Kremlin spokesman," as seen on RT.
What do you make of that?
You realize there are people sitting in Luhansk and Donetsk tonight that consider Svoboda drew 'first blood' when they started shooting police and protestors in Kiev and the elected government fled to - pure coincidence - be replaced by the same person the US Ambassador and Victoria Nuland were discussing should become the next leader of Ukraine, and not via the ballot box.
Putin is concerned that his popularity is dropping quickly as the Russian economy is in the crapper and covid is running out of control. So a quick patriotic war will fix things for a while. It has in the past. Make people feel like the west is out to get them, rally around Putin again. Crisis over for ~18 months.Putin is asking for guarantees that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO.
We are refusing to make that commitment, pretending like it isn't up to us.
If we wanted to put an end to this growing crisis, we should offer a limited guarantee. Say no admission to NATO for 10 years.
I have no idea if Putin would accept such a deal, but that gives everybody 10 years to try peaceful solutions.
I don't know when we reach the point of no return. Might be there already.
The US has nuclear weapons on the border with Russia?We declared a blockade on Cuba to prevent military stockpiles on our ‘border’, but no one seems to be able to understand how anyone else could think that way.
This.Sorry, but Fvck that. Putin should not be able to dictate Ukraine decision to join NATO or not. Giving in to Putin now is akin to Chamberlain giving in to Hitler in 1937.
And the same thing could be said in reverse.Putin is concerned that his popularity is dropping quickly as the Russian economy is in the crapper and covid is running out of control. So a quick patriotic war will fix things for a while. It has in the past. Make people feel like the west is out to get them, rally around Putin again. Crisis over for ~18 months.
The problem is, that would mean Putin knows he has 10 years to take the Ukraine unopposed. The irony of this is Russia's actions with the Ukraine are what are bringing NATO into the equation. There are resources and grain land in the Ukraine that Russia desperately wants to take control of. But they will act like troop buildups on their Western border are this out of the blue aggression on poor wittle Wussia and why is the West picking on them? It's an effective strategy. They will have 35% of Americans fully supporting them.Putin is asking for guarantees that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO.
We are refusing to make that commitment, pretending like it isn't up to us.
If we wanted to put an end to this growing crisis, we should offer a limited guarantee. Say no admission to NATO for 10 years.
I have no idea if Putin would accept such a deal, but that gives everybody 10 years to try peaceful solutions.
I don't know when we reach the point of no return. Might be there already.
It’s not about NATO membership for Ukraine. That is a Russian excuse to take over the country.Sorry, but Fvck that. Putin should not be able to dictate Ukraine decision to join NATO or not. Giving in to Putin now is akin to Chamberlain giving in to Hitler in 1937.
Talk to me when Biden starts massing troops at the border of Canada.And the same thing could be said in reverse.
Biden going to war with Canada would not provide anywhere near the distraction/unification that going to war with Russia would.Talk to me when Biden starts massing troops at the border of Canada.
I don't know, we're a pretty easy country to pull by the leash. But sure, the difference is Biden didn't make Russia start massing troops on the border. Biden is reacting to what Russia is doing, he's not instigating anything.Biden going to war with Canada would not provide anywhere near the distraction/unification that going to war with Russia would.
They are both looking for an excuse is the gist here.I don't know, we're a pretty easy country to pull by the leash. But sure, the difference is Biden didn't make Russia start massing troops on the border. Biden is reacting to what Russia is doing, he's not instigating anything.
What resources does Ukraine have that you would consider Russia ‘desperate’ to control?There are resources and grain land in the Ukraine that Russia desperately wants to take control of.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Good people on both sides. Isn't that your leader's mantra.They are both looking for an excuse is the gist here.
That's a weak effort, even by your standards. Read this:Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Good people on both sides. Isn't that your leader's mantra.
It seems to me like there is an opportunity to negotiate a peaceful settlement.That's the (translated) comment from the "Kremlin spokesman," as seen on RT.
What do you make of that?
Sorry, but Fvck that. Putin should not be able to dictate Ukraine decision to join NATO or not. Giving in to Putin now is akin to Chamberlain giving in to Hitler in 1937.
I don't think you and I are on different sides on this - at least from what I can tell.You realize there are people sitting in Luhansk and Donetsk tonight that consider Svoboda drew 'first blood' when they started shooting police and protestors in Kiev and the elected government fled to - pure coincidence - be replaced by the same person the US Ambassador and Victoria Nuland were discussing should become the next leader of Ukraine, and not via the ballot box.
Do we send American troops to force them to submit to governance from Kiev?
I don't think that's what the oath of enlistment is about at all.
That's certainly the comparison the hawks and yellow journalists are trying to sell us.Sorry, but Fvck that. Putin should not be able to dictate Ukraine decision to join NATO or not. Giving in to Putin now is akin to Chamberlain giving in to Hitler in 1937.