Suriano moving back to 125?
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Running from Teasdale!!
I hope not...I want Suri to surpass Nato in losses to Hawkeye singlets.
NATO: Gilman, Clark, Lee
SURI: Gilman, Lee, Desanto, ........Teasdale?
Lets do this!
I hope not...I want Suri to surpass Nato in losses to Hawkeye singlets.
NATO: Gilman, Clark, Lee
SURI: Gilman, Lee, Desanto, ........Teasdale?
Lets do this!
Good, Spencer will beat him again and it opens up 133 a ton with Fix taking an Olympic redshirt.
I’m not sure Gilman or Desanto are gloating about those. Loved the wins, but I think the National Championships that NATO and Suriano hold ease the sting of the losses.
Well I'm still gloating and dont you even try to take my gloatiness away.
This is a Sith board and we deal in absolutes!
Talks about it after 48:20.
Suriano was completely shredded at 133. I think he would have a very hard time coming down. He looked awesome at that weight.
This was a click-bait headline. It wasn't seriously discusses, just speculation based on Olympic weight classes, no real news.
While anything is possible, as Hounded said, dude has zero body fat, I would think the challenge of getting down to 25 and facing Spencer and the 2 or 3 other contenders, would be a tougher ask than facing off with Micic and Gross at a more comfortable weight. He's the returning champ at 33 and I am sure he feels that. Either way, he isn't beating Spencer at NCAA's and if Gross returns to form, I don't see him winning there either. So the question is, does he want to finish 2nd at 25 or at 33?
While anything is possible, as Hounded said, dude has zero body fat, I would think the challenge of getting down to 25 and facing Spencer and the 2 or 3 other contenders, would be a tougher ask than facing off with Micic and Gross at a more comfortable weight. He's the returning champ at 33 and I am sure he feels that. Either way, he isn't beating Spencer at NCAA's and if Gross returns to form, I don't see him winning there either. So the question is, does he want to finish 2nd at 25 or at 33?
Y’all keep saying he’s not beating spencer. I think you guys forget it was a close match (by score. Maybe not by the eye test) during their NC match. A healthy nick suriano is just as good as a healthy spencer lee. Suriano beat colon for crying out loud. This idea that suriano simply can’t beat spencer doesn’t make sense to me. Not saying he will or won’t, only that the gap isn’t nearly as big as some of you make it out to be.
I also don’t see him dropping to 125. He is on a full feed at 133, the defending champion, and the team has some good 125 lb young guys.
I also don’t see him dropping to 125. He is on a full feed at 133, the defending champion, and the team has some good 125 lb young guys.
no he is not as good as spencer lee period
Suriano doesn’t have the offense attacks or pace needed to beat Spencer. 9 out of 10 times a 100% Spencer Lee beats a 100% Nick Suriano.
Suriano has a very good pace. Not sure that offensive attacks are what is needed to beat Spencer (see Bresser/Picc).
Spencer is the favorite, no doubt. But I would give Suriano 3/10 chance.
Okay, so this is an Iowa board, which you know,so why would it confuse you that people here would think Spencer would be a lock to beat Nick in the tournament? If the only facts you are going off of are:
1- Spencer already beat him at NCAA
2- This is an Iowa board and Spencer is our guy
This should be enough to know why people might say it.
But in addition to that, Spencer has looked near untouchable at NCAA's AND he is a two time champ in two attempts AND the last NCAA match wasn't really that close by either the eye test or by score, Nick scored 1 point off an escape that Spencer gifted him with 5 seconds to go. So with all of this, it's pretty easy to assume why some of us believe this potential rematch at NCAA's is a heavy lean for our guy.
On the other hand, there are no "locks", no sure things in this sport and I don't for a minute think Spencer would cake walk over Nick, but go back to my first 2 points and you will understand that, at least in my case, it was more hyperbole that factual. On HR I might just pick Spencer to beat David Taylor straight up followed by him beating both Trump and whoever the Dems run for President and after a short stay in the White House, I might pick him to replace Kirk Ferentz when he retires. Afterall, he's Spencer Fricking Lee !!
Suriano is a tough dude for sure, but I'm taking Spencer Lee at NCAA's every single time if both are healthy. Every. Single. Time.
I agree with some of this for sure. Last year, suriano would’ve given Spencer a real match, every match and I suspect he would’ve won some. Lee wasn’t a hundred percent. Suriano is better than Rivera and picc. There’s no question in my mind about that. But when lee beat suriano, lee wasn’t exactly 100% either coming off a serious injury but I’d say both were pretty close to tip top form. I’d favor a 100% lee over suriano at any percent. And I’ll say this, lee is a bad matchup for nick just like nick is a bad matchup for someone like Rivera. I think suriano kills Rivera but he gives lee fits. Just the nature of different styles.
go sell that on the rutgers board both guys will agree with you.
Suriano 70-7 career record
vs Iowa 1-3
Rutgers Fan: But he beat Colon!
vs Iowa 1-3
Rutgers Fan: But he beat Colon!
Both matches with Rivera two years ago were very close. Rivera almost knocked him off at Midlands. I don't think Suriano is a particularly bad match up for Rivera, who struggles more with good mat wrestlers.
I think the answer depends on who Spencer Lee really is. Were his struggles last year 100% due to a health issue or is he just a guy that has peaks and valleys to his wrestling? I don't think Suriano can beat Lee when Lee is at his best, but Lee has often (relatively speaking of course) not been at his best during his first 2 years. Suriano absolutely could have beaten Lee last year and if Lee wrestles like that again, I think I may even favor Suriano.
I don't think he's coming down though. My impression while listening live was just pure speculation based on 61 kg not being an olympic weight, and that meaning 125 makes more sense for Suriano if he wants to make the team. Willie asked if this was actually a thing at one point and Pyles just kind of shrugged, so I don't think there's much to go on. It doesn't make a ton of sense considering Micic and Fix are redshirting and his top challenger is Gross coming off of a serious back injury. Why cut a bunch of weight to take on Lee when you don't have to?
I don't think he's coming down though. My impression while listening live was just pure speculation based on 61 kg not being an olympic weight, and that meaning 125 makes more sense for Suriano if he wants to make the team. Willie asked if this was actually a thing at one point and Pyles just kind of shrugged, so I don't think there's much to go on. It doesn't make a ton of sense considering Micic and Fix are redshirting and his top challenger is Gross coming off of a serious back injury. Why cut a bunch of weight to take on Lee when you don't have to?
A healthy nick suriano is just as good as a healthy spencer lee. Suriano beat colon for crying out loud...
Did you even watch these matches? A healthy Spencer Lee and a semi healthy Spencer Lee has dominated both his runs thru the NCAAs. A healthy Suriano lost to the aforementioned Spencer Lee in a previous trip to said NCAAs.
Also don't even bring up the Colon match. Colon didn't take that match seriously and half-assed it for the first 4 minutes. Anyone with any sort of logic could easily see that. Now Suriano still had to show up and preform, so I grant him that, but on a re-match and a mentally healthy Joe Colon, I'll take Colon every time.
lol, always good for a laugh. He wouldn’t just beat him healthy he would Lizak him.
I know you’re a Rutgers fan, but Suriano has to be the most popular wrestler among non Hawkeye fans. His motor, toughness and he broomsticked Carl with no Vaseline. Good dude.
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You'd think so, but somehow Fix is making 57kg for FS. He is massive at that weight. I thought Gilman looked shredded and strong, but Fix has tree trunks for thighs and hips for a 57kg.
Funny how you plucked those 2 matches as examples... Fact is, Spencer is a 2x national champion going into his junior year without a redshirt and no one, not even Iowa fans, have witnessed a 100% Spencer Lee. It’s gonna real fun, or shitty depending on who you root for, when we do.
Anyone arguing that Spencer isn’t the far superior wrestler is just a plain fool...
Suriano and Lee both looked pretty healthy to me on their march to The Finals 2 years ago, and Suriano got handled. There's your answer.
Suriano is one tough SOB, much respect from me. He didn't get ragdolled, but he got handled and never really was a threat to win that match at any point.
Suriano 70-7 career record
vs Iowa 1-3
Rutgers Fan: But he beat Colon!
To be fair, Suriano is 3-3 against Iowa
That was 2 years ago. I recall the midlands match being razor thin. Rivera does struggle on bottom but I think it’s the big strong 125’s that he can’t handle. He got Spencer off of him (for the most part) and didn’t give up any backs last year. But mueller bullied him and pat glory did the same for a time at NCAA’s on their feet. Last years version of nick probably does the same thing is all I’m saying. Glory and mueller are big...so is nick. Rivera attributes him beating lee to getting stronger and being a big 125 now. He wasn’t bigger than mueller or glory and certainly not NS.
Read a little closer. I said I'd pick Lee if both were at their best, but that Lee hasn't always been on his best the past 2 years, so I wouldn't be shocked if Suriano took a match off him at some point.
Yes, Lee has looked unbeatable at NCAA's, but that wasn't the case for most of last year, and it remains to be seen whether that was due to an injury or whether Lee is just a guy that has off days, but will show up when it counts. He wouldn't be the first guy like that. We'll find out this year.
"Rivera has improved against big, strong 125's which is why....he'll do worse than he used to against big, strong 125 Suriano." I think you've confused yourself a bit.
I think you’re confused. I didn’t say he improved against big strong 125 lbers. Unless you’re referring to lee? Lee is small. I’ve said that time and time again. He’s strong but he’s nowhere near big for 125. I’ve seen him more in person than anybody who has attended every practice and match since he started college. But Rivera would and has struggled against all of them...suriano did win, mueller did and even a year younger glory easily could’ve won their last match. I’m not sure what you’re defending here...Rivera has only really struggled on bottom against lee and mueller as far as I can tell but he has been worse in neutral against lee (at times), suriano, mueller and glory. 3 of those guys are huge 25’s. They’re also skilled. I think it’s more of a reach and strength issue coupled with a bottom issue than just bottom. How many points did mueller score riding Rivera? Lee in their last two? My point stands.
He has 4 career losses, what ones do you want me to pick? Not like I’m cherry picking from a gigantic sample.
I think Spencer is amazing. But I definitely think that Daton Fix is neck and neck with Spencer. I’d call that match up a complete toss up. Suriano is a toss up with Fix, and is as elite as they come. As I said, I pick Spencer, but think Suriano is getting sold a bit short.
If you don’t know or even want to know what the real situation is don’t try to make something up that sounds good and that you would like to believe. Here is what you can BELIEVE. Spencer was not only not 100% physically he wasn’t even 60%. Read a little closer because that's a FACT.
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Lighten up, Francis.
I've always believed there was something wrong with Spencer this year, but, as someone who isn't an insider, I won't know for sure until I see him be more consistent this year.
Well now you know for sure.
Well, Mueller scored 1 point riding against Rivera by having about 3 hours of riding time. Not a great point on your part.
Also, Lee is one of the most notoriously freakishly strong wrestlers in the country so he may as well be a huge 125. He may not actually be big, but he certainly feels like it to his opponents.
What I don't get is you acting like we haven't seen this match twice. It was tight 2 years ago. It is widely accepted that Rivera jumped levels since then. Rivera is one of the only guys in the country to score a takedown on Suriano. If your argument is Suriano is a tough match up for Rivera, it's only because Suriano is a tough match up for literally everybody because he's elite. There's nothing Suriano specifically does that gives Rivera trouble. He wrestles nothing like any of the guys you mentioned. Mueller out-slicked and rode Rivera, neither of which Suriano does. Glory gave Rivera trouble with attacks from space and wrist ties, more things that Suriano doesn't do.
They actually wrestle a really similar style, but Suriano is slightly better at it. If you said you'd pick Suriano every time, I'd agree, but that match will almost always be a 1-2 takedown affair, if for no other reason than all of Suriano's matches against top talent are 0-2 takedown affairs. Maybe you have a different definition of "kill" than me.
"bbwrestler on HR said so with caps lock on, so now I know FOR SURE that Spencer wasn't healthy. No way an anonymous poster on the internet could be wrong or misleading."
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