We were lucky that they didn't catch the flagrant sooner, or they wouldn't have given Jok his 2 free throws
That call on jok...
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so you feel the game was evenly called?
Didn't seem like it to me. I was streaming on my laptop though, so not exactly hdtv on a 70" screen
I thought it was about as good as you can hope for at Wisconsin. I thouget we got a couple of out of bounds plays that were sketchy. They missed Jok getting fouled on a shot and just generally getting mugged.so you feel the game was evenly called?
Didn't seem like it to me. I was streaming on my laptop though, so not exactly hdtv on a 70" screen
Not sure what game you are watching but if you do not consider the multitude of absolutely ridiculous whistles in favor of Hayes who is the player typically initiating contact I do not know what to say. Hey wait that's another foul on Iowa for breathing near Nigel. Meanwhile on the other end Jok is tackled, hand-checks galore and body bumps on every shot. Another Wisconsin home game.
I think, based on what everyone could plainly see, jok was being held around the waist and in an attempt to get free he brought his arm around in a swim move and his elbow came up as the wisconsin player was going down. If there was contact it was extremely slight. Was a judgment call by the officials and 90% of the time it would have been a "no call". You can be 100% certain we would not have gotten it.
The review was in violation of the rules:
If the roles were reversed, and we didn't get that call, everyone that is ever going to read this, would have gone nuclear
Why , in your opinion, do you think jok would not have been given the free throws? You think the "second" foul would negate the one that had come first? If you do, you are WRONG.
To make my point. A play that could have, by rules, been reviewed...the jump ball in the mn game was not reviewed and the play that, by rules, could not be reviewed in the ws game was.
The first ref that called the foul missed the flagrant on Jok, they were almost simultaneous. Had he been properly corrected immediately, Jok would not have shot 2 free throws.
Give it a rest. The first foul was called. That is not reversable. Plus the replay clearly showed jok was being held well before any, possible contact he may have made.
You never heard of a double foul? Jok was obviously fouled on the play and would have shot the free throws.
No, the review is not in violation of the rules. It is allowed until the shooter has the ball for his 2nd FT.
When it comes to an elbow above the shoulders, referees will be allowed to use a video monitor to determine the severity of the blow. If deemed inadvertent, the referee could call a player-control foul or even nothing.
That's the rule. Is there anyone who really thinks that there was sufficient evidence to overturn what was originally called and determine that whatever contact, if any, was deliberate?
That's the rule. Is there anyone who really thinks that there was sufficient evidence to overturn what was originally called and determine that whatever contact, if any, was deliberate?
Completely agree. Bo pulled this crap in IC when Cartwright was our PG. End of the game, one of his two years in IC, and he swipes at a ball going over the guards head and right in front of Bo. Player acts like BC scalped him and Bo loses his mind so they call the foul.
Replays clearly showed BC missed his head by a couple of inches.
Guess you can't gard against Bohannon.
I usually complain about the refs but I don't think it was as bad as I have seen before. It seemed to me that Iowa was getting the majority of calls on 50/50 balls going out of bounds. The missed travel call on Jok was horrible.so you feel the game was evenly called?
Didn't seem like it to me. I was streaming on my laptop though, so not exactly hdtv on a 70" screen
The bad stretch of and1's that Wisconsin got was bad. The Jok elbow was a bad call. Right after that Happ got to shoot FTs on a reverse layup miss where no one touched him. (He missed both FT's)
The no calls on the constant mugging tips the officiating in Wisconsin's favor but I don't think it was a complete screw job.
This.
I hate the "let's look at the replay" culture that now pervades the game but your reaction was the same as mine. I thought it was a flagrant at the time and thought that Showalter would get FTs and Jok wouldn't have been shooting.
In retrospect, essentially calling a "double foul" inured to Iowa's benefit.
And to those complaining about the refs, I'm pretty sure that Iowa scored 5-6 points on possessions where Bohannan and Jok blatantly travelled and nothing was called.
I forgot about the crap moving screen call on Jok when he was just standing there.
My take on the F1 call is that Jok had shot his first FT. Then Gard made a scene and the refs then went to the monitor. Fran probably doesn't get that same courtesy.
Jok was being held and they actually called that foul. In jok's attempt to free himself and continue where he wanted to go, he brought his arm closer to his body and up to make himself narrower. Because the Wisconsin player was also flopping his motion took him down and in the area of jok's elbow. That play was not even going to be reviewed until Gard pulled his whine session and then they screwed the call for that review. Not even sure if there was contact. I bet you could find 10 plays in the game where an arm made contact with the head in rebound or guarding situation that were more contact than this one. And don't forget, the play was initiated by Wisconsin
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Some of you people need to (1) get your eyes checked, (2) revisit the basic laws of physics and (3) recognize idiocy when you see it.
Jok did NOT make contact with Showalter. Watch the replay a million times, and that will STILL be true. Jok was simply trying to extricate himself from a tackle for which Showalter was called for a foul--an egregious foul. But once again justice is turned upside down and the innocent victim, Mr. Jok, is penalized for being egregiously fouled by Showalter. Think about that for a minute. Let it sink in . . .
With 20 seconds left in the game at Minnesota, the refs don't review whether Iowa should have been awarded a time out. They don't review whether the Minny player was out of bounds while touching the ball. But we can spend half an hour reviewing a physical foul on Wisconsin and conclude that it was really Iowa that was at fault and, in making that retroactive, subjective judgment, give Wisky TWO free throws. What the hell is THAT?!
Give Fran credit for maintaining his composure. And, of course, as several of us have noted, the ONE free throw that Wisky made on that ruling was the difference in the game . . . until the little freshman who wasn't good enough to get a Wisky offer drained a three and washed away the injustice.
But that does not absolve the refs, the Big Ten, or the NCAA for allowing such shenanigans. Congrats again to Fran and the Hawkeyes for having the guts to shove it all in their faces and win anyway, which is always the best revenge.
Jok did NOT make contact with Showalter. Watch the replay a million times, and that will STILL be true. Jok was simply trying to extricate himself from a tackle for which Showalter was called for a foul--an egregious foul. But once again justice is turned upside down and the innocent victim, Mr. Jok, is penalized for being egregiously fouled by Showalter. Think about that for a minute. Let it sink in . . .
With 20 seconds left in the game at Minnesota, the refs don't review whether Iowa should have been awarded a time out. They don't review whether the Minny player was out of bounds while touching the ball. But we can spend half an hour reviewing a physical foul on Wisconsin and conclude that it was really Iowa that was at fault and, in making that retroactive, subjective judgment, give Wisky TWO free throws. What the hell is THAT?!
Give Fran credit for maintaining his composure. And, of course, as several of us have noted, the ONE free throw that Wisky made on that ruling was the difference in the game . . . until the little freshman who wasn't good enough to get a Wisky offer drained a three and washed away the injustice.
But that does not absolve the refs, the Big Ten, or the NCAA for allowing such shenanigans. Congrats again to Fran and the Hawkeyes for having the guts to shove it all in their faces and win anyway, which is always the best revenge.
I need to find the replay of the flagrant because I was positive last night that Jok caught his face when he was freeing himself. I think it's stupid that it can be reviewed after a FT has been taken but I agreed it was a flagrant regardless of Jok being fouled as well.
If anyone has a link to the flagrant with multiple angles that would be appreciated!
If anyone has a link to the flagrant with multiple angles that would be appreciated!
So you are saying you are a snowflake? Feelings getting hurt? What, is Jok suppose to run around the court with his elbow up in the air to protect the snowflake defender who committed a foul? Jok was bringing down his elbow so he could run faster to get open. It's called being competitive. If they called more fouls for the defense mugging Jok, that play probably would not have happened.
Yeah just like Cook being held by the Indiana center at the end of that game and no call. The good thing is Iowa won both games. Wisky and Showalter in particular is good at flopping.
Some of you people need to (1) get your eyes checked, (2) revisit the basic laws of physics and (3) recognize idiocy when you see it.
Jok did NOT make contact with Showalter. Watch the replay a million times, and that will STILL be true. Jok was simply trying to extricate himself from a tackle for which Showalter was called for a foul--an egregious foul. But once again justice is turned upside down and the innocent victim, Mr. Jok, is penalized for being egregiously fouled by Showalter. Think about that for a minute. Let it sink in . . .
With 20 seconds left in the game at Minnesota, the refs don't review whether Iowa should have been awarded a time out. They don't review whether the Minny player was out of bounds while touching the ball. But we can spend half an hour reviewing a physical foul on Wisconsin and conclude that it was really Iowa that was at fault and, in making that retroactive, subjective judgment, give Wisky TWO free throws. What the hell is THAT?!
Give Fran credit for maintaining his composure. And, of course, as several of us have noted, the ONE free throw that Wisky made on that ruling was the difference in the game . . . until the little freshman who wasn't good enough to get a Wisky offer drained a three and washed away the injustice.
But that does not absolve the refs, the Big Ten, or the NCAA for allowing such shenanigans. Congrats again to Fran and the Hawkeyes for having the guts to shove it all in their faces and win anyway, which is always the best revenge.
100% correct. Jok didn't touch his head, total acting job.
The ref called a foul on Jok. They would not have corrected that and then have said there was no foul on Jok.
DirtyJohns has obviously not watched a replay of the play. The ONLY way I defend the refs is to think the screen they are looking at is not hidef or large enough to see Joks' elbow actually miss making contact. "smacked the guy in the face" Dirtyjohns???? Watch the replay if you think he got "smacked in the face"!
I totally agree but whether there was contact or not it was still a poor call or one promted by wanting to please the ws coach. I have posted the rule on here regarding what took place. Will do it once again. There has to be intent and it not be inadvertent. No way after viewing the replay can ANYONE think it was intentional. Worst case scenario, no ws free throws, a common foul on jok and ws gets the ball out of bounds after jok's free throws.
When it comes to an elbow above the shoulders, referees will be allowed to use a video monitor to determine the severity of the blow. If deemed inadvertent, the referee could call a player-control foul or even nothing.
No truer statement ever posted here. All these big strong guys go flying backwards with a mere touch from the opposition. This is a Bo Ryan speciality perpetuated by his successor.
Had it properly called they wouldn't have went to the line, period. There was no contact, at all, by Jok.
i thought it was an okay officiated game. calls i didnt like cooks 2,3 fouls, jok got called for a bad pick late in the game i didnt see anything when they reviewed it. pemsl got a very bad call when he set a pick and then posted up he is intitled to do that as long as he is moving toward his own basketball. did not think joks foul was flagrant. i thought happ got happy feet 3 or 4 times. the difference between me and a lot of posters is i dont expect perfection out of the officials.so you feel the game was evenly called?
Didn't seem like it to me. I was streaming on my laptop though, so not exactly hdtv on a 70" screen
