That call on jok...

[DewHawk]

The call on Jok was total BS! Even if Jok had hit the guy (which I do not believe he did) Showalter was tackling him and Jok was trying to make a basketball move to free himself. I watch 100's of BBall games and typically when I guy is trying to make a basketball move it is usually ruled as not a flagrant foul.

The refs were bad from the start of the second half with the two calls on Cook. Plain and simple Wisconsin was supposed to win and the refs called the game that way IMO.

Same BS all year, actually year after year!!

 

[papabeef]

The call on Jok was total BS! Even if Jok had hit the guy (which I do not believe he did) Showalter was tackling him and Jok was trying to make a basketball move to free himself. I watch 100's of BBall games and typically when I guy is trying to make a basketball move it is usually ruled as not a flagrant foul.

The refs were bad from the start of the second half with the two calls on Cook. Plain and simple Wisconsin was supposed to win and the refs called the game that way IMO.

Same BS all year, actually year after year!!

if the refs wanted wisconsin to win they would have.

 

[DewHawk]

if the refs wanted wisconsin to win they would have.

They did their best IMO - different perspectives and your perspective is always contrary to the majority on just about any subject (especially officiating). It is very easy to spot ex or current officials on the board. Because the refs are never at fault.............

 

[papabeef]

They did their best IMO - different perspectives and your perspective is always contrary to the majority on just about any subject (especially officiating). It is very easy to spot ex or current officials on the board. Because the refs are never at fault.............

lets see.. most teams FG % is between 40 and 47. most people consider 70% to be a good free throw shooting team. most teams average between 13 and 19 turn overs a game, but blow one call like the foot out of bounds in the minnesota game and the refs are out to get us , the big ten wants minnesota to get in the tournament and yes i dont think an officials call ever cost anyone a game. i disagree that my perspective is always different from everyones. alot of the bad calls that posters complain about were the wrong call, i just dont think they cost us any games.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I just watched the replay about a dozen times. I think Jok hit him with his elbow, inadvertently. They particular way he swung his elbow probably meets the definition of a F-1, IMO. As I understand the rule, it doesn't need to be intentional.

I don't understand how the technical could be called after the first free throw, but otherwise I don't have a problem with it.

 

[papabeef]

I just watched the replay about a dozen times. I think Jok hit him with his elbow, inadvertently. They particular way he swung his elbow probably meets the definition of a F-1, IMO. As I understand the rule, it doesn't need to be intentional.

I don't understand how the technical could be called after the first free throw, but otherwise I don't have a problem with it.[/QUOTE i think he meant when showalter was sitting on the court and he showed a little displeasure over the call.

 

[papabeef]

I just watched the replay about a dozen times. I think Jok hit him with his elbow, inadvertently. They particular way he swung his elbow probably meets the definition of a F-1, IMO. As I understand the rule, it doesn't need to be intentional.

I don't understand how the technical could be called after the first free throw, but otherwise I don't have a problem with it.

i think he meant when showalter was sitting on the court he showed his displeasure over the call.

 

[goodbyebobby]

I just watched the replay about a dozen times. I think Jok hit him with his elbow, inadvertently. They particular way he swung his elbow probably meets the definition of a F-1, IMO. As I understand the rule, it doesn't need to be intentional.

I don't understand how the technical could be called after the first free throw, but otherwise I don't have a problem with it.

Get your eyes checked, Jok never touched him. Their players are coached to act like they've been shot when an elbow is anywhere close to their nuggets.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Get your eyes checked, Jok never touched him. Their players are coached to act like they've been shot when an elbow is anywhere close to their nuggets.

My eyes are fine. I don't think a player could react that fast to a swing and a miss.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

lets see.. most teams FG % is between 40 and 47. most people consider 70% to be a good free throw shooting team. most teams average between 13 and 19 turn overs a game, but blow one call like the foot out of bounds in the minnesota game and the refs are out to get us , the big ten wants minnesota to get in the tournament and yes i dont think an officials call ever cost anyone a game. i disagree that my perspective is always different from everyones. alot of the bad calls that posters complain about were the wrong call, i just dont think they cost us any games.

While I certainly don't buy into some "conspiracy theory" against Iowa I think you have your head in the sand if you feel officiating can not cost a team a win. In another thread I posted studies done by Pychology of Sport and Exercise on the influence of the crowd on referees decisions. I'll reference another study done on 68 D1 refs from the 08-09 season to the 12-13 season on fouls called on home team vs visiting team. It would stand to reason the if refs were not biased at all over these thousands of games it would be approx the same. Interestingly enough ALL 68 over the course of the study called more fouls on the visiting team than the home team. The ref who was deemed the fairest was John Cahill of the Big East/SEC who ONLY called 1.04 more fouls on the visiting team than home team. Forgot who the "worst" was but he had called approx 4 more per game on visitors throughout the years. Referees ARE influenced by crowds AND foolish to think some coaches are not better "influencers" than others.

 

[Section8]

While I certainly don't buy into some "conspiracy theory" against Iowa I think you have your head in the sand if you feel officiating can not cost a team a win. In another thread I posted studies done by Pychology of Sport and Exercise on the influence of the crowd on referees decisions. I'll reference another study done on 68 D1 refs from the 08-09 season to the 12-13 season on fouls called on home team vs visiting team. It would stand to reason the if refs were not biased at all over these thousands of games it would be approx the same. Interestingly enough ALL 68 over the course of the study called more fouls on the visiting team than the home team. The ref who was deemed the fairest was John Cahill of the Big East/SEC who ONLY called 1.04 more fouls on the visiting team than home team. Forgot who the "worst" was but he had called approx 4 more per game on visitors throughout the years. Referees ARE influenced by crowds AND foolish to think some coaches are not better "influencers" than others.

I post this at least once every basketball season and this is the perfect time for this years post. When my son was playing high school BB here in Iowa his team was playing an away game. A father/son officiating crew working the game gave nearly all the close or questionable calls to the home team. Our fans were obviously upset after the game. The very next week his team played a home game. Guess who was working the game? Yep Dad and Son. Ironically nearly every close or questionable call went in favor of our team. The home team. This father/son team had a system. Keep the home crowd off their backs. Dad was easily in his late 60's to mid 70's and his son was getting Dad a few extra bucks. Dad covered the floor from about the top of the three point circle to the other one. Made very few calls. We parents and fans who were so upset the week before, were laughing at the completely obvious way these two favored the home teams, keep the crowd off your back, and earn a check.

 

[papabeef]

While I certainly don't buy into some "conspiracy theory" against Iowa I think you have your head in the sand if you feel officiating can not cost a team a win. In another thread I posted studies done by Pychology of Sport and Exercise on the influence of the crowd on referees decisions. I'll reference another study done on 68 D1 refs from the 08-09 season to the 12-13 season on fouls called on home team vs visiting team. It would stand to reason the if refs were not biased at all over these thousands of games it would be approx the same. Interestingly enough ALL 68 over the course of the study called more fouls on the visiting team than the home team. The ref who was deemed the fairest was John Cahill of the Big East/SEC who ONLY called 1.04 more fouls on the visiting team than home team. Forgot who the "worst" was but he had called approx 4 more per game on visitors throughout the years. Referees ARE influenced by crowds AND foolish to think some coaches are not better "influencers" than others.

NO

 

[papabeef]

Get your eyes checked, Jok never touched him. Their players are coached to act like they've been shot when an elbow is anywhere close to their nuggets.

you would be wrong.

 

[papabeef]

I post this at least once every basketball season and this is the perfect time for this years post. When my son was playing high school BB here in Iowa his team was playing an away game. A father/son officiating crew working the game gave nearly all the close or questionable calls to the home team. Our fans were obviously upset after the game. The very next week his team played a home game. Guess who was working the game? Yep Dad and Son. Ironically nearly every close or questionable call went in favor of our team. The home team. This father/son team had a system. Keep the home crowd off their backs. Dad was easily in his late 60's to mid 70's and his son was getting Dad a few extra bucks. Dad covered the floor from about the top of the three point circle to the other one. Made very few calls. We parents and fans who were so upset the week before, were laughing at the completely obvious way these two favored the home teams, keep the crowd off your back, and earn a check.

sure, ok

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

NO

Ha. Why do I get the feeling you have NEVER played or coached ANY sport above grade school level

 

[iahawks10]

The call on Jok was total BS! Even if Jok had hit the guy (which I do not believe he did) Showalter was tackling him and Jok was trying to make a basketball move to free himself. I watch 100's of BBall games and typically when I guy is trying to make a basketball move it is usually ruled as not a flagrant foul.

The refs were bad from the start of the second half with the two calls on Cook. Plain and simple Wisconsin was supposed to win and the refs called the game that way IMO.

Same BS all year, actually year after year!!

The start of the second half was the key moment in this game. The flow changed. They refs changed. Obviously the score/lead changed.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

NO[/

lets see.. most teams FG % is between 40 and 47. most people consider 70% to be a good free throw shooting team. most teams average between 13 and 19 turn overs a game, but blow one call like the foot out of bounds in the minnesota game and the refs are out to get us , the big ten wants minnesota to get in the tournament and yes i dont think an officials call ever cost anyone a game. i disagree that my perspective is always different from everyones. alot of the bad calls that posters complain about were the wrong call, i just dont think they cost us any games.

Don't think an official's call ever determined the outcome of game huh. Ever hear of Tim D

 

[papabeef]

The start of the second half was the key moment in this game. The flow changed. They refs changed. Obviously the score/lead changed.

but we won

 

[papabeef]

Ha. Why do I get the feeling you have NEVER played or coached ANY sport above grade school level

cause you are not very bright?

 

[GoHawks2009]

lets see.. most teams FG % is between 40 and 47. most people consider 70% to be a good free throw shooting team. most teams average between 13 and 19 turn overs a game, but blow one call like the foot out of bounds in the minnesota game and the refs are out to get us , the big ten wants minnesota to get in the tournament and yes i dont think an officials call ever cost anyone a game. i disagree that my perspective is always different from everyones. alot of the bad calls that posters complain about were the wrong call, i just dont think they cost us any games.

Sure they did. And a consistently poorly officiated game does cost a team.

Sorry you had to learn the truth on Hawkeye Report.

 

[bbwretler]

I just watched the replay about a dozen times. I think Jok hit him with his elbow, inadvertently. They particular way he swung his elbow probably meets the definition of a F-1, IMO. As I understand the rule, it doesn't need to be intentional.

I don't understand how the technical could be called after the first free throw, but otherwise I don't have a problem with it.

Yes it does need to be deemed intentional. If it is determined to be inadvertent it can be simply called a common foul or no foul at all. Per the NCAA rule book.

 

[iahawks10]

but we won

Who's we?

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

cause you are not very bright?[/QUOT

Not bright but did play D1 and coached small college (DIII) for 7 years. I can assure you lost AND won games due to poor officiating. they are human and make mistakes and unfortunately sometimes they get it wrong and cost a game. Know what else? Some times it's not a "mistake" they make a call that they KNOW is not the correct call.

 

[bbwretler]

Totally agree. Played college ball and have friends who have coachd D1 including in the big ten. Have been told that if you were losing to iowa you just became more and more physical. Knocked cutters off their routes, hand checked,,,,,knowing not much if anything was going to be called. Just ask Lute what he thinks about big ten officials and their being completely unbiased.

 

[papabeef]

Ha. Why do I get the feeling you have NEVER played or coached ANY sport above grade school level

since you are fishing i will take the bait,why would you say such a stupid thing?

 

[papabeef]

so you dont think turn overs, poor shooting % and or poor coaching had a bigger influence on the outcome of the game?

 

[papabeef]

Totally agree. Played college ball and have friends who have coachd D1 including in the big ten. Have been told that if you were losing to iowa you just became more and more physical. Knocked cutters off their routes, hand checked,,,,,knowing not much if anything was going to be called. Just ask Lute what he thinks about big ten officials and their being completely unbiased.

LOL

 

[papabeef]

Sure they did. And a consistently poorly officiated game does cost a team.

Sorry you had to learn the truth on Hawkeye Report.

just left the wisconsin site and guess what ? they think they got screwed royally last night, hard to imagine both teams getting screwed .WOW

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Wisconsin is an affront to basketball. I never want to hear those ****ers complain about the refs. Bo Ryan probably throws a hip into his mom on the way up to communion.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

so you dont think turn overs, poor shooting % and or poor coaching had a bigger influence on the outcome of the game?

Where did I or anyone claim that? Your quote was "you don't believe an official ever cost anyone a game". Ever hear of Tim Donaghy? I can assure you officials have inadvertently AND intentionally cost teams games.

 

[Ronman]

I thought this was a horribly officiated game, but it cut both ways. Wisconsin had plenty of calls to beef about, particularly early in the game. Plus there were a number of potential travels on our part that weren't whistled. For their part, they mugged us most of the game, which was their defense under Bo and continues with his successor

 

[GoHawks2009]

just left the wisconsin site and guess what ? they think they got screwed royally last night, hard to imagine both teams getting screwed .WOW

Of course because they lost and they're bitter, so their judgment is clouded (not that all losing teams don't have a gripe though).......but also f*** Wisconsin. And do you know why?............................because f*** Wisconsin. That's why.

But really though, the refs can negatively impact the game. Deal with it.

 

[hawkcub]

If you don't think a bad call can cost one team a game you need to remove your head from the sand. Do fans exaggerate how they got the shaft by refs? Absolutely. Also a missed travel in the first half will have less of an impact then a home court call because the coach whines.

 

[hawkeyeinmo]

so you dont think turn overs, poor shooting % and or poor coaching had a bigger influence on the outcome of the game?

By turnovers you are referring to violations like traveling, double dribble, carrying the ball, etc called by who? Shooting % which can largely be effected by contact by defender called or not called, a missed or wrongly called goal tend, players being forced to sit or disqualified by poor calls, determined by who? And yes I think the officials have a bigger influence on tgame day after tip off than the in game coaching. Two even teams, you have your choice. John Wooden to coach your team or a ref who you know is going to give you an "edge". I choose the ref on my side.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Yes it does need to be deemed intentional. If it is determined to be inadvertent it can be simply called a common foul or no foul at all. Per the NCAA rule book.

Yes, I see where it can be a common foul or no foul, but I can't find where it has to be intentional to get an F1. Can you link it?

All I see is this - "However, officials who deem elbow contact to be excessive, unnecessary, severe or extreme are encouraged to call a flagrant 1 or flagrant 2 foul."

 

[papabeef]

Of course because they lost and they're bitter, so their judgment is clouded (not that all losing teams don't have a gripe though).......but also f*** Wisconsin. And do you know why?............................because f*** Wisconsin. That's why.

But really though, the refs can negatively impact the game. Deal with it.

yes they can but they dont.

 

[GoHawks2009]

yes they can but they dont.

Except that they do. I know it's hard for you to come to this realization, especially on Hawkeye Report, but it's true.

Deal with it?...........Yeah, you deal with it.