500 a day - yeah for 3 years now. The last 8 months is the lowest it's been since it started. It has not been increasing
The coronavirus is speaking. It’s saying it’s not done with us.
- Thread starter Kenneth Griffin
- Start date
You call this modest?
WHO has issued a conditional recommendation against the use of remdesivir in hospitalized patients, regardless of disease severity, as there is currently no evidence that remdesivir improves survival and other outcomes in these patients.
Did you miss the part about "early variants" I'd posted?
Yes.
It just does not do so with 100% effectiveness. A partially effective vaccine is still effective; this is how flu vaccines have worked for years.
Well, it does exactly what a vaccine is supposed to do so I'm not sure what else you want to call it. What would you call the flu vaccine given your "definition"?
vac·cine
/vakˈsēn,ˈvakˌsēn/
noun
- a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.
What are you even talking about? Are you a clinician now? It was withdrawn because it caused renal failure and exacerbated pulmonary edema. It was effective against jack shit.
Let’s just say I am glad the polio vaccine isn’t as shitty.
It is what it is, I got it but it doesn’t do a hell of a lot IMO. Obviously I am not alone because fewer and fewer are getting it.
At this point masking is used more by social anxiety suffers than anything. It’s to hide.
You only live one life, you want to spend the rest of yours in the basement do it quietly.
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Joe knows everything. He’s kinda like Trump in that way that even the experts (like you) are impressed.
The polio vaccine, the modern oral one, is a live attenuated virus. We, in the business, call that the gold standard. It's pretty much a live virus that has been crippled. For covid, that would be the best as well but so far, attempts to cripple it and use it as a vaccine have been difficult. Killing it and using that as a viral antigen has brought on less than stellar immunity. The most likely cause of this is that coronaviruses have complex and dynamic structural proteins whereas polioviruses are an altogether entirely different beast.
There is a infinitesimal, but still present chance, that you can get polio myelitis from getting the vaccine and some infants do, especially in developing countries. They have sub-optimal immune systems and can't generate T-cell immunity against the vaccine. Some get paralyzed, some get droopy foot but the chances of something happening aren't zilch.
Imagine that happening to covid patients on a much larger scale and you can see why no one wants to get out the door first with a live attenuated vaccine for covid.
I listen to Brett Weinstein on Rogan.
Yeah yeah yeah, the guy isn’t as left as you want t so everything he says and his guests say is a lie by trump proxy.
Really interesting.
Yeah yeah yeah, the guy isn’t as left as you want t so everything he says and his guests say is a lie by trump proxy.
Really interesting.
You call this modest?
WHO has issued a conditional recommendation against the use of remdesivir in hospitalized patients, regardless of disease severity, as there is currently no evidence that remdesivir improves survival and other outcomes in these patients.
What part of "early on" was confusing for you here?
Why remdesivir, a highly effective COVID treatment, is a last resort for providers
The antiviral infusion was just revived as an early treatment for COVID patients. But the drug is relatively expensive and hard to administer, relegating it to what some are calling "stopgap" status.
www.npr.org
Please provide evidence on which variants Remdesivir was effective on and which variants it is ineffective? Thanks.What part of "early on" was confusing for you here?
Why remdesivir, a highly effective COVID treatment, is a last resort for providers
The antiviral infusion was just revived as an early treatment for COVID patients. But the drug is relatively expensive and hard to administer, relegating it to what some are calling "stopgap" status.
Totally weird that I actually have a poster named "HawkMD" who agrees with my posts here.
Maybe he knows more than you do.
Are you unable to read the link?
Google is available for you, as well. Perhaps you'd like to explain to HawkMD why he's agreed with my posts here.
Dude, your credibility is zilch. You have to now use proxies? Whatever.
Is he even in this thread?
LOL
Sounds like Joe is yelling for help.
GH69 is on fire...I love it.
And you're either a liar, or misinformed on the topic.
You can call me what you want man. I've invited you to my facility many times or send your buddy HawkMD. It is you who try to usurp any and all threads without having a clue of what you speak of. It's amusing yet sad. I know you spent time in Iowa City given your id name. My facility is public and transparent and you and others are welcome _anytime_. Ironically, I have to go to a covid vaccine meeting now. I'll be sure to get your guidance when I am done.
Why don't you tell the good people about your training? Obviously, we have a clue what HawkMD does. Thanks.
I call you "uninformed"
Nonhospitalized Adults: Therapeutic Management | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Learn about the pharmacologic management of nonhospitalized adults with COVID-19.
www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov
Nonhospitalized Adults: Therapeutic Management | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Learn about the pharmacologic management of nonhospitalized adults with COVID-19.
www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov
I'm flattered.I call you "uninformed"
Nonhospitalized Adults: Therapeutic Management | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Learn about the pharmacologic management of nonhospitalized adults with COVID-19.www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov
Nonhospitalized Adults: Therapeutic Management | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines
Learn about the pharmacologic management of nonhospitalized adults with COVID-19.www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov
Seems like all you and your buddy Pinehawk have when you are proven wrong are laughing emojis
The vaccine has saved hundreds of thousands of lives in this country alone (most estimates put it in the millions). It has prevented ICU's and ED's from being further overrun by sick people. It's saved hundreds of billions - with a "B" - in health care costs. To say it "doesn't do a hell of a lot" is blatantly idiotic. Given the level of disinformation being spread by f'n morans, you better hope the polio vaccine is effective because polio is going to come back rather than be wiped out. Why? Because people will refuse the vaccine.
As for the rest of the vapidly stupid shit in this post, I'm not in my basement. I'm out and about. I'm fully vaxxed up to and including the bivalent vaccine. I mask where it's appropriate. I test before I attend large gatherings of family or friends. Anyone who thinks doing those simple things is some kind of intrusion on their "free dumbs" isn't worth the O2 they waste when they breathe. And I'll shut up as soon as the anti-vaxx idiots do. Take your own advice.
Have a snickers. You are triggered. Wear a ribbon to virtue signal also.
People will get the vaccine or they won’t. I don’t give a damn if they do or don’t.
I would guess there is way more threads starting trying to promote it vs trying to stop people from getting it. So if “shutting up” is the goal it starts with the fear porn side.
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Remdesivir shows no significant effect on patients with COVID-19 in Solidarity trial
A recent study published in the journal The Lancet summarized the final results of the Solidarity trial which aimed at finding out which drugs were most effective at reducing the severity of the disease among hospitalized patients.
www.news-medical.net
Patients with moderate to severe COVID-19 outcomes on remdesivir according to baseline 4C mortality score - PubMed
This study of patients admitted with moderate-to-severe COVID-19 found that patients who were treated with remdesivir had a longer time to recovery and a longer length of stay compared to those who received SOC. These findings add to the body of evidence questioning the benefit of remdesivir...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Conclusions: This study of patients admitted with moderate-to-severe COVID-19 found that patients who were treated with remdesivir had a longer time to recovery and a longer length of stay compared to those who received SOC. These findings add to the body of evidence questioning the benefit of remdesivir therapy among patients hospitalized with COVID-19.
Remdesivir shows no significant effect on patients with COVID-19 in Solidarity trial
A recent study published in the journal The Lancet summarized the final results of the Solidarity trial which aimed at finding out which drugs were most effective at reducing the severity of the disease among hospitalized patients.
Do you not understand, that the cases where remdesivir worked were when it was provided EARLY to patients BEFORE hospitalization?
And these are the constraints on when that medication is still recommended?
Or, are you just fishing for stuff to back up your bogus claims (because WHO still recommends it for certain classes of patients, per the latest update they sent out).
How are you going to infuse and monitor a drug given by iv w/o hospitalization? And monitor any related side effects? Haha, come on man.
Uh...yes. Already confirmed that it (AND other antivirals) are NOT useful in later stage disease when people are already in the hospital.
THAT IS WHY NIH AND WHO DO NOT RECOMMEND ITS USE UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS.
They STILL recommend its use for EARLY stage disease for people who are predisposed to severe outcomes.
Not sure why you are unable to process this basic fact, yet, here we are.
This, apparently, is why you are not a clinician.
PROTIP: They perform things like "dialysis" on outpatients, all the time in hospitals. Very much like they infuse chemo treatments into cancer patients on an outpatient basis.
Utterly baffling that these things are somehow "foreign" to you.
Just admit, you were incorrect on remdesivir and its use for Covid. IT HAS been proven effective on earlier variants; there are NO formal studies on the latest variants, but it has demonstrated that it still appears to function against them. HOWEVER, we do not have formal confirmatory evidence on that at this time. Nonetheless, it is still a frontline treatment for high risk folks.
LMAO!!!
Uh...no....they look at people who have the same risk factors as those who typically end up in ICUs.
This is not rocket salad here.
Hahaha are you talking to yourself again majambo? People here think you are cringeworthy. For realz. You enter every thread as Mr. Know It All but at the end of the day, you know nothing. It's sad but hey you do you.
Translation: "Oh, shit. You were right all along here."
You should pursue stand up. I have never laughed as much as I have laughed today. Rapid fire baby.
The ‘of COVID’ or ‘with COVID’ debate, combined with dubious quality and quantity of testing, makes me think overall death increases above trend are where we have to measure COVID response.
