I don't know. Kentucky has lived thru the era of one and done players for a long time and they still pack the stadium. Of course may be different when you get to see the next potential NBA superstar on your team.
The fall of college basketball
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Why even have a scholarship? With the money athletes make they should pay for it and all the amenity's as training, food and sleeping arrangements. It's become semi-pro and players transferring around with absolutely no intent n getting an education to use in life.
Making the big bucks, then they need to pay for everything.
Making the big bucks, then they need to pay for everything.
Kentucky is entirely the kind of team the new system is designed to benefit. Unsurprisingly they have benefited.
This. The scholarship actually means nothing anymore. Kids (and coaches) can leave at any time they want, and Power 5 kid will go the portal and get at minimum now 500K. What’s a 1 year scholly to Iowa worth? 50K?
Not if it's thinking NIL and all the changes these sports are making is good for college athletics.
There is someone in college now that will probably cure cancer...where is their bag!! That's what college was supposed to be about. GPA over PPG. I love my sports, but our value system in college is way out of whack, when a kid can make a million for throwing a ball through a hoop and the genius that can make a great difference for humanity is just a kid in the library or lab.
Take this from the guy that had the ball, definitely not the genius! LOL
Take this from the guy that had the ball, definitely not the genius! LOL
College sports have a strong emotional hook for fans in non-metro areas. I grew up a fan of Hawkeyes so it is in my DNA.
That does not go away overnite.
Can my type of fan get pushed too far?
I continued to root for Hawkeye bb thru the whole PP ugliness but a fair number bailed.
TV numbers are still solid but how is attendance at games nationwide?
Wonder how many of these young fans who support the NIL system actually attend the games and contribute to the collective?
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That does not go away overnite.
Can my type of fan get pushed too far?
I continued to root for Hawkeye bb thru the whole PP ugliness but a fair number bailed.
TV numbers are still solid but how is attendance at games nationwide?
Wonder how many of these young fans who support the NIL system actually attend the games and contribute to the collective?
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The NIL started with court rulings. Eventually the courts will put constraints on the madness. I’d be happy if they wiped the NIL out entirely
Nothing can be done. Lawyers looked into from the schools perspective and realized any attempt to limit a kids income while in college loses in court 100% of the time.
Be like trying to say a kid can only make so much money while going to Iowa and working at McDonald’s. The fact that the kid plays a sport and makes a lot of money is irrelevant in the eyes of laws.
Zero chance NIL goes away. Zero. The reason nobody has tried to limit it is because any attempt would be laughed out of court.
The more college basketball resembles the NBA, the less I will care about it. I haven’t watched an NBA game start to finish since Larry Bird days
Anymore it's hard to stomach paying high tickets prices, and the cost of gas and food to take your familiy to a college basketball game knowing that some of the little bastards are only in it for themselves and looking for the next best opportunity, school and fans be damned.
They’re not “little bastards”.
Those 4 year guys are special but honestly Iowa State doesn’t get many and I don’t really care. Just win.
Go ahead, make an arguement that you can limit somebody’s income because they are in college. It’s so prosperous nobody will even try.
If I am wrong, why haven’t they ?
We’re early in this game. The courts do not
rule in a vacuum
All started when they allowed palming and carrying the ball. They chose athleticism over fundamentals for the TV audience. Now I watch that #1 on Alabama and he can't be defended. Pauses his dribble every possession.
As an old person, I agree with this post 100% but even as a vital, flexible whippersnapper, you have to admit that the limitless free agency every year model is unsustainable.
It will change because it has to.
I think teams and universities are still trying to figure all this out. By no means is this the finished product of NIL. I do find it interesting that football had the opposite effect of basketball. Basketball made the blue bloods stronger but football made parity. The blue bloods still get the big guns but the lose their depth with borderline starters. One stud in bball can dramatically impact your team unlike in football where you need a lot more starters then just one. It'll be interesting to see if bball changes at all because as of right now the mid-majors are dead.
Basketball has more teams doing it..Kentucky bought an entire new team. Many others similar.
Seems to be going well for the SEC. Growing population, plenty of money and rabid fans. Being able to pay players is a gift to schools in the south. Basketball is the easiest to influence with money due to the small roster size. Football with the large rosters, is harder, but I would expect things to go the same direction in football. It will be difficult for most rust belt schools to keep up . Kind of a microcosm of larger demographic and economic trends in the country.
It’s okay to OPT out folks. The collegiate sports scene is, obviously, not what it once was. There will only be a concetration of power amongst kingdom builders much like politics or wall street. Hell, without gambllng interests propelling this frankenstein creation it would already be dying FAST. Enjoy your memories and pencil in the finalists for the major sports cause you already know them. Meanwhile all the nil participants laugh at the transfer of your wealth to them. Just like politics, wall street and gambling. Build a real life and OPT out.
Yep, most people’s happiness is based on whether their favorite sports team wins (which is sad), so they throw boatloads of money at the people (athletes) they think will bring said wins to make them happy. And chances are most of these higher paid “student” athletes don’t go to class or do their own work. Meanwhile, there are kids studying their a$$es off to actually make the world a better place (sciences, medicine, engineering, etc) who will someday have hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan debt to pay off while making the world a better place. But hey, go sports and wins and happiness, YO!!!
I love an underdog and those days are over now. It is impossible for most teams to rise past a certain level. Iowa can never rise to the top.
The competition is who can dump the most money.
The competition is who can dump the most money.
This is actually and INSANE stat. WOW.
You don't even have this at the pro level. Well I guess you do now, because D1 is pro now.
One of the best posts I've read on HROT in a long time.
The only nitpick I have is that it’s primarily the rich who are transferring wealth to NIL as personal vanity projects. BTW, couldn’t many or most athletes on scholarship be considered DEI admissions? A lot of them, I suspect, didn’t gain admission on academic merit.
Nah, it's because they're not being creative enough.............
D2 isn’t much better. My friend’s son plays D2. Last year the majority of their roster transferred from 1 school to another D2. Following this season, only 4 players remain from the second school, the rest are in the portal.
Lol at the non-basketball fan saying this. You don’t watch the NBA, now you want college bball to go away. It’s okay to admit you’re just not a hoops fan.
Maybe that is due to the people who use to attend games watching from home
The thing about it is, is that I don't even really care about the always open transfer portal and unlimited transfers.
What I DO care about, is the lack of regulation on tampering, IE the 'behind the scenes' wheeling and dealing between player's and other school's agents. I think its believed to be a well known open secret that OF and Creighton have had a deal in place since at least mid-January, or at least were working well towards a done deal.
If a player transfers for whatever reason, it is what it is, but the "come get more money!" deals made during the season is where I have the problem. Its like they made the deal so that OF wouldn't maximize his potential earnings at Creighton if he chose to not get his injury fixed beforehand, therefore he 'quits' on his current team for his own future NIL financial gains.
Its really taking away the enjoyment of the overall college game. I'll watch Iowa games and some B1G, but other than that, its just not nearly as easy to care like it used to be.
Hell anymore, unless you're a school with a huge NIL budget, you almost don't want a player/athlete to be all that great because they'll likely get lured away for the promise of more $$$ elsewhere.
What I DO care about, is the lack of regulation on tampering, IE the 'behind the scenes' wheeling and dealing between player's and other school's agents. I think its believed to be a well known open secret that OF and Creighton have had a deal in place since at least mid-January, or at least were working well towards a done deal.
If a player transfers for whatever reason, it is what it is, but the "come get more money!" deals made during the season is where I have the problem. Its like they made the deal so that OF wouldn't maximize his potential earnings at Creighton if he chose to not get his injury fixed beforehand, therefore he 'quits' on his current team for his own future NIL financial gains.
Its really taking away the enjoyment of the overall college game. I'll watch Iowa games and some B1G, but other than that, its just not nearly as easy to care like it used to be.
Hell anymore, unless you're a school with a huge NIL budget, you almost don't want a player/athlete to be all that great because they'll likely get lured away for the promise of more $$$ elsewhere.
The SEC is kicking butt because their Football/Basketball first approach made raising NIL a priority and they bought success. Iowa's Title9 faiirnes approach and don't push the NIL boundaries approach led to 7-13 record despite having a couple players in the Top 10 for this year's Transfer lottery. The B1G has woken up and knows they needed the revenue sharing NIL, however the NIL market values these playes command keeps going up
. I find it hard to root for teams that are built on mercenaries. The concept of player loyalty to their team goes hand in hand with Fans staying loyal to the schools/programs that shaped their upbringings. So we shall see...the poor attendance at Carver is an early sign of fan disenchantment (plus the fact they weren't any good and Fran Fatigue was a real thing).
CBS stat:
In all, 51 of the 80 starters in the Sweet 16 originally played for other schools — an average of 3.1 per team. According to CBS, transfers accounted for more than half of the scoring through the first two rounds of the tournament.
. I find it hard to root for teams that are built on mercenaries. The concept of player loyalty to their team goes hand in hand with Fans staying loyal to the schools/programs that shaped their upbringings. So we shall see...the poor attendance at Carver is an early sign of fan disenchantment (plus the fact they weren't any good and Fran Fatigue was a real thing).
CBS stat:
In all, 51 of the 80 starters in the Sweet 16 originally played for other schools — an average of 3.1 per team. According to CBS, transfers accounted for more than half of the scoring through the first two rounds of the tournament.
And mid majors are going to need to start poaching DII stars.
It’s going to trickle down.
All colleges are now like JUCOs where they have massive roster turnover every year.
