The fan response to the Chiefs offsides call and Iowa's invalid fair catch call illustrates a growing problem in society.

[NorthernHawkeye]

Entitlement.

People can see with their own eyes that the calls were correct yet for some inexplicable reason, they want an exception.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

BS

 

[Chishawk1425]

BS

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Hey we agree!

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

This thread should be fun

 

[Bierhalter]

The refs can't decide whether any given rule is correct. They CAN decide whether or not to invoke the rule.

 

[95Hawk]

Like January 6th almost…

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

It’s almost as if the official on the field directly behind DeJean with a perfect view and vantage point did not believe he made an invalid fair catch signal.

Oh wait, that is a fact.

Is he entitled?

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

It’s almost as if the entire Minnesota Gopher special teams unit did not believe DeJean made a valid or invalid fair catch signal.

Oh wait, that’s a fact.

Are they entitled?

 

[bagdropper]

Two things...

1) What's causing the derision towards officiating in general is the inconsistent application of calls.

2) Chiefs and Hawks fans need to get over the calls and move on because in both cases they still had opportunities to win the games via their own play.

 

[McLovin32]

Glad OP found a new topic to troll about.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

It’s almost as if during the live play zero percent of the Minnesota coaching staff believed DeJean made a valid nor invalid fair catch signal.

Oh wait, that’s another fact.

Are they entitled?

 

[Hawki97]

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Like January 6th almost…

Only took 6 posts! Let’s POLITIC!!!!

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

@NorthernHawkeye must be added to the WPOTY poll. This is too big a transgression to be ignored.

 

[BGHAWK]

If the DeJean return would have stood, with no call on the field, and without an inappropriate call by the booth, (booth looked for out of bounds and have no right to find any other so called infraction) would there have been one Minny coach, one Minny fan or any one other person on the planet ever mention it was an invalid fair catch signal?

 

[torbee]

Well one was a legitimate call made on the field of play in real time and the other was bullshit called in from an unneeded review.

So once again, OP FAILS.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

@alaskanseminole

Justice must be served.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

If the DeJean return would have stood, with no call on the field, and without an inappropriate call by the booth, (booth looked for out of bounds and have no right to find any other so called infraction) would there have been one Minny coach, one Minny fan or any one other person on the planet ever mention it was an invalid fair catch signal?

Nope.

Just PJ Fleck tears.

 

[joelbc1]

Apples and Oranges.

KC obviously lined up in violation of the rules. The officials enforced the rule. Everyone saw the violation.

Iowa player returned a punt for a TD. Officials invented a circumstance to fit an obscure rule to deprive the Iowa player of his accomplishment and the Iowa team from the victory. No one, except one referee (not on the field) saw the Iowa player’s violation.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

Two things...

1) What's causing the derision towards officiating in general is the inconsistent application of calls.

2) Chiefs and Hawks fans need to get over the calls and move on because in both cases they still had opportunities to win the games via their own play.

Actually with reply the calls are more accurate than ever.
We should be happy, however, the " invalid fair catch " rule is poorly written and serves no purpose. You call for a fair catch or you don't. Wipe the " invalid " from the rule book...

Chiefs call was not a " judgement " call, clear as the nose on Roger Stone's face...

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

So, is the consensus that DeJean waved his arm around but since it had never been called the replay should’ve let it go?

 

[bunsen82]

Entitlement.

People can see with their own eyes that the calls were correct yet for some inexplicable reason, they want an exception.

I think its just a growing amount of idiots in this world. You are near the top of my list.

 

[lucas80]

Glad OP found a new topic to troll about.

Funny that he didn't take his crusade to the football board. Almost like he wanted to be a victim here, and didn't want to take a beating and lose his status as president of the Brian Ferentz fanboy club.

 

[joelbc1]

So, is the consensus that DeJean waved his arm around but since it had never been called the replay should’ve let it go?

DeJean did not make a “fair catch” signal. He pointed at the ball with his right arm/hand and used his left arm to maintain his balance as he ran towards the ball.
A fair catch signal is raising your arm(s) above your shoulders and waving the hand.
The point here is what is the purpose of even defining an “invalid fair catch signal”? Either you call a fair catch or you don’t. Either you are pregnant or your not. Any person who runs towards a football on a punt and allows his arms to swing about/ back and forth, is committing an invalid fair catch signal (by definition).

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

If the DeJean return would have stood, with no call on the field, and without an inappropriate call by the booth, (booth looked for out of bounds and have no right to find any other so called infraction) would there have been one Minny coach, one Minny fan or any one other person on the planet ever mention it was an invalid fair catch signal?

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[NorthernHawkeye]

Funny that he didn't take his crusade to the football board. Almost like he wanted to be a victim here, and didn't want to take a beating and lose his status as president of the Brian Ferentz fanboy club.

I've already fought and won this fight on the football board.

As for BF, I believe you and I agree on that subject. Although I'll admit that I elected to not come to your defense when you were being torched a while back.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

He pointed at the ball with his right arm/hand and used his left arm to maintain his balance as he ran towards the ball.

You people can't even be honest with yourselves.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Any person who runs towards a football on a punt and allows his arms to swing about/ back and forth, is committing an invalid fair catch signal (by definition).

This. By the definition of the replay official and the morons at the Big Ten officiating, an “Invalid fair catch signal” could/should be called in every college football game that has ever been played.

Any time a player runs from one area to another to field any punt. If his arms move at all.

Do we see this? No. We do not.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Entitlement.

People can see with their own eyes that the calls were correct yet for some inexplicable reason, they want an exception.

wrong: social media. Everyones got an opinion but very very few are worth listening to.

 

[IowaPackFan]

OP needs to show me where it (Dejean return) was a correct call via replay. He won’t because he can’t because it’s not reviewable. Yes, since it was a score the play can be reviewed but it can only be reviewed for certain things and an invalid fair catch is not one of them.

 

[BioHawk]

The call of the DeJean play was correct. At least until the replay official had to stick their dick into the play.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

OMG look at all these invalid fair catch signals he is making while collecting himself under the punt!

Terrible no call! Right @NorthernHawkeye @Formerly Rockymtnole ?? Waving his hands all around.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

OMG look at all these invalid fair catch signals he is making while collecting himself under the punt!

Terrible no call! Right @NorthernHawkeye @Formerly Rockymtnole ?? Waving his hands all around.

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Don’t get upset. Just joking.

 

[auntie_fah]

. What's causing the derision towards officiating in general is the inconsistent application of calls.

The NHL has been horribly inconsistent (more than usual) this year as to what is called a penalty and what doesn’t.

 

[Pinehawk]

These two calls are not comparable. One was a verifiable offsides call that can be easily seen on camera.
The other is a subjective call regarding the interpretation of the waving of an arm, in which the rule was applied in a way that no one had ever seen before.

 

[millah_22]

I was watching the 2001 Fiesta bowl where Oregon State dominated Notre Dame and OSU had an invalid fair catch call on a peter. Looked almost identical to CD3's wave.

They got a 5 yard penalty for it, though. Iowa just got a dead ball.

Only thing was the play was whistled dead at the time, and not decided upon review.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Don’t get upset. Just joking.

Ok. To answer your question, I think the consensus is that the on field crew discussed with the punt returners what is and isn’t allowed hand motions prior to the start of the game and the replay official was not part of that discussion.

This would explain why the on field official who was right on top of the play ruled it not invalid signal and the replay booth doofus used the absolute loosest interpretation of the rule possible to apply to the play after the fact when he wasnt even asked to review that aspect of the play.

The consensus is that the booth official made a point to affect the outcome of the game and obviously the crew on the field and most of the sporting world were shocked by such a bogus call.

 

[BGHAWK]

I've already fought and won this fight on the football board.

As for BF, I believe you and I agree on that subject. Although I'll admit that I elected to not come to your defense when you were being torched a while back.

Your big problem is that you're not on the football board, and you will never win that argument here.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Your big problem is that you're not on the football board, and you will never win that argument here.

I'm most definitely on the football board. A simple search by you and you could've avoided this error.

 

[BGHAWK]

I'm most definitely on the football board. A simple search by you and you could've avoided this error.

My bad but that doesn't change the fact that you haven't won the argument. I assumed wrongly the thread was on off topic. And here is why you lose here, show me where NCAA rules allow for an official in the booth are allowed to review a play, say a TD for example to see if the runner was out of bounds, and while reviewing it notice a holding or a clip, and then call it back.