Before game day arrived, several posters said Utah is a great shooting team and they are very tall. That's exactly how we got beat tonight. They shot an incredible percentage from the three, and their big guys stopped all kinds of our inside shots and plays. Time and again, Krikke and Freeman were unable to get off a shot. Plus their speedy guard, who had a triple double, wasn't bad either. His fourth triple double of the year. We might get a little better next year, but I think the pattern for Iowa has been set. Congrats to Utah.
The reasons we lost..
- Thread starter EastIowaHawk
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Or, hear me out. We suck and have mediocre talent and horrific coaching (if you can call it that).
How does mediocre talent and horrific coaching make any postseason?
They shot %38.7 from 3….not exactly incredible, but not bad. The same pattern of Franball continues though……way too many dunks/layups or open looks from 3 surrendered.
You call the nit post season? Do you enjoy consolation trophies?
BirdistheWord
HR Heisman
Yes, they killed us from 3, mostly one guy. And their bigs had quite a few dunks, layups and drew fouls. And I don’t remember too many games where we really struggled to make bunnies and changes/altered our shots around the bucket.
We had 36 off the bench and Krikke/Freeman/Dix had 37, so I would normally take my chances but just not much from Payton and Tony.
We need more athleticism and have to shoot the ball more consistently. Freeman needs some help down low.
Good effort from PMac and Krikke.
It's literally postseason.
Career high and a triple double. That’s Fran defense
Dude, if you're aiming for the nit, dunno what to tell you.
BirdistheWord
HR Heisman
Utah:
2 long, skilled, athletic bigs who defend
Great 3 point shooting
Hyper quick point guard
Seemed to have decent depth
Surprised they are not in the tourney.
They are kind of a poor man’s Gonzaga. Not a bad model.
2 long, skilled, athletic bigs who defend
Great 3 point shooting
Hyper quick point guard
Seemed to have decent depth
Surprised they are not in the tourney.
They are kind of a poor man’s Gonzaga. Not a bad model.
Where did I say I was aiming for the NIT? Again, how does a mediocre roster and "horrific" coaching make any sort of postseason?
He’s not wrong, it’s postseason. Might it be the postseason we want, but it’s postseason.
You can be mediocre among your peers. There is huge budget difference between a P5 program and and a mid major...that means P5 schools have better facilities, better amenities, higher paid coaches, etc.
So Iowa finished roughly 7th out of 14 B1G teams if you don't count the loss in BTT....that is roughly middle of the pack, or medicocre vs our peers. If you count the BTT loss, Iowa was actually below mediocre in total W/L vs B1G opponents.
I do agree you can't have both mediocre talent and horrific coaching. So we are closer to mediocre in both regards.
There's not a team in the country that can guard a player that shoots that far out, plus they had 2 - 7 footers under the basket. give Utah credit they made the shots and won the game on THEIR HOME COURT.
Why doesn't the constant whinners of Fran and Iowa basketball call it a day and wait until next year to continue the negative BS.
Why doesn't the constant whinners of Fran and Iowa basketball call it a day and wait until next year to continue the negative BS.
If Utah were so impossible to beat, they wouldn't have been playing in the same tourney as Iowa was tonight.
Our leading scorer, and our PG , both could not hit any shots. Utah hit theirs. Congratulations to them , they were the far better team tonight.
Utah looked, at least vs Iowa, to be an NCAA Tourney team.
Year 15 and the Hawks "might get a little better" (than a 2nd round exit from the NIT).
If that's not a reason for change, I don't know what is.
I am surprised no brought up the attitude as the reason we lost to Utah.
No more excuses. This program needs to hit the reset button. Now.
Why Iowa lost you need to go no further than the Stats. They are there for everybody to review. Utah guards scored 66 points on 32 out of 57 shot percentage. Iowa guards scored 29 points on 16 out of 25 shots. A couple of Brocks were drives given to him when the game was already over. Clearly Iowa is lacking decent guard play and recruiting. But Fran's 'System' is what the recruiting effort is geared towards. What is Fran's system - seriously, because it was based on great 3 pt shooters and a 7 footer in the middle, but now I'm not really sure what his recruiting or game philosophy is. PS throws up shots that my coach's would have gone crazy and sat my butt on the bench after a good tongue lashing. Not only are the shots bad but it also is before anybody is ready and gives the other team a transition basket easy after the long rebound. Many other fundamental mistakes(defense -blocking out - rebounding ) that leave me shaking my head.
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Well if you’re one of the 200 best teams you make the post season. So if that’s what you’re okay with then great.
A lot of teams look like NCAA tourney teams against us. Gave up over 90 points again.
You do understand that screaming under performance, when you can't spell under performance doesn't really work,... right.
So the apologists say during the season let's let the season play out before we evaluate Fran. Then when the season is over you say stop complaining about Fran. Is that all you got to defend Fran after this season? This season must have been way worse then I thought if that's all you can say to defend Fran.
Defensive rotation / positioning is terrible, time and time again. I give Fran a lot of credit for Iowa’s offensive efficiency almost always being top 15-20 in the country. But it is also crazy how many open 3s, layups, and dunks we give up simply because of dumb defensive positioning / rotation. I lost track of how many times a perimeter player left his man to “help” on the block, but just end up in the middle of nowhere to the point that he’s not guarding anyone. Literally not doubling hard enough to make hit difficult on the post player, but far enough away from the 3 point line that he cannot recover and gives up a wide open jumper.
I don’t need stats, just the sheer eye ball test. I’d be interested to hear from a Ute fan, but I saw their coach was treading water at .500 winning percentage the last 3 years and I saw a crowd that did their best to seem interested. Sound familiar? Iowa definitely made the Utes look better than they were - both teams played sloppy ball at times and deserving of NIT invitations. Maybe both are just meant to be football schools, not sure… 🤔
We lost because we are not very good. The talent we have is not consistent and our defense is suspect. We have fallen into a period of being average and I don’t see anything on the horizon which offers a reason to think we can be a “contender”. As a 60 year fan, I hope to be surprised.
I'll give Utah zero credit and they can deal with it.
Also, just because the season ended doesn't mean we have to stop b****ing about our failures as a basketball program. We're not waiting until November to start doing that again................just sayin.
We gave up 91 points.
I Fran's eyes... We lost because we didn't score 92. Not because we gave up 91. He needs to go
I think some guys checked out. I don't agree with opting out of the NIT, but I think it's going to become a thing in one way or another. I think players read all about it, the seed was planted. Guys checking out, guys thinking more about the portal, guys only wanting to play in the dance, guys thinking about NIL, schools saying its not in the budget...
