The Screams of Hell and the Atheist...
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It's too complicated for you to understand. You will learn when you die.
We can? I don't think so...but it is my right to respectfully disagree with you.
It's amazing how people feel the need to create a place called Hell. It's even more unfortunate that they create a God that acts like the most insecure, ancient king in history. I don't view God as a super human parental figure floating around keeping track of things that we do that are "right" or "wrong." There are no such things as right or wrong. They're subjective conditions based on a society's comfort levels. They are merely what we measure one against the other in order to experience both.
For the first time, scientists can identify your emotions based on brain activity
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/19/4445684/brain--scan-fmri-identify-emotion
Nice little read my friend but in the end it is their word against my God...and I have as much "faith" in their word as I do this guy's...
No, it's not their word. It's their repeatable, testable data. That's something that requires no faith. It's a trick your God can't do.Nice little read my friend but in the end it is their word against my God...and I have as much "faith" in their word as I do this guy's...
Have you "tested" it...have you seen it tested? If not you are pretty much taking their word at face value...I expected more from someone with your intelligence and savvy bud...
It's amazing how people convince themselves that "science" or a "scientific explanation" of something proves that there's no "God." I guess it's because the word God evokes the idea of religion and therefore a mythology. Human ability to incorporate their science into explaining, or helping to explain, things is just further proof that there IS a larger, higher, more complex force that we're constantly discovering. We're just getting "ourselves back to The Garden."
I'm sure you can look that up. When you do you will note this it doesn't rely on personal perspective and authentication of each individual to be valid. That might be a hard concept for you as its inherently not subjective.
There is definitely further complexity that we don't understand. However, this does not prove there is a "God", unless you want to completely redefine the word God to mean "things that we don't understand". The anthropocentric God whom people have worshipped throughout the ages lacks verifiable proof of existence and therefore does not exist.
Haven't we come to a board consensus that OP was Arbitr8 in his past life? I thought this was common knowledge.
I didn't hear that. ArbitraryH8 posted here recently; maybe on a different computer that was logged-in under that ID? But I get a different feel from them. H8 seemed angrier, so I never had the impression he was a troll. Joke seems more like he just spits our random, thoughtless, insults and dances away.
The foundation of Christian theology is based on a deep
and abiding trust in God. We trust in Him as the Creator
or our human life and we trust in Him as our Redeemer
from sin and eternal death.
The foundation of secular science is based on proof.
Men like Albert Einstein discovered the proof he needed
for his scientific theories
Bottom Line: Christianity and faith do not need to compete
with science and proof. Both Christianity and science serve
two different purposes..
and abiding trust in God. We trust in Him as the Creator
or our human life and we trust in Him as our Redeemer
from sin and eternal death.
The foundation of secular science is based on proof.
Men like Albert Einstein discovered the proof he needed
for his scientific theories
Bottom Line: Christianity and faith do not need to compete
with science and proof. Both Christianity and science serve
two different purposes..
Didn't read the whole thread, but it seems like a good place for a golden oldie:
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting "Oh, my God!"
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A".
Author: Unknown
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting "Oh, my God!"
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A".
Author: Unknown
Tell me what is humble about Jake's racist rants? How Christian is that?
And I'm not "proudly refusing" anything. I simply don't have to believe in an afterlife to appreciate the beauty that is this lifetime. I love life for life, not the promise of forever.
Typically I enjoy religious back & forth, as long as both sides can be reasonable. I may have been a little over the top in this thread because OP is a racist, bigoted piece of crap. If I offended you, I apologize.
I've not spewed racist ideology here...I have only pointed to their racism and bigotry and negative behavior that has affected the culture of this country. Just because I am a Christian doesn't mean I am perfect...just forgiven...and yes punished for my sins...but still forgiven. There was only one perfect entity that walked the Earth...for some reason you are under the illusion all Christians are as perfect as He...just isn't that way at all.
How nice that you can be a complete jerk to your fellow man, as long as you ask forgiveness from God. Atheists don't have that out, so we're typically just nice, except when we have a reason not to be.
You know me well enough on some remote message board to believe I am a "jerk" to my fellow man? How wonderfully insightful you seem to be. You know absolutely NOTHING about me hoss except what your own skewered misconceptions tell you. I think I am finished with any discussion with you...your hatred and bigotry necessitate that.
You seriously don't know how to use Google? Thats sort of embarassing for you, but I'm here to help. Share this with your fellow luddites.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+does+science+work
"Hell" is a Christian place. Jews have no such place.
And, this proves there's nothing "higher" or more complex than what we already know? I think it proves the opposite. That's why I don't restrict "God" to the version found in ancient religions.You seriously don't know how to use Google? Thats sort of embarassing for you, but I'm here to help. Share this with your fellow luddites.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+does+science+work
Your reading comprehension is failing you again. This proves that I don't personally need to conduct the science experiment to value its results because the nature of science is that it does this for me automatically multiple times. A scientific discovery isn't just some wild idea. It's a wild idea that can be repeatedly backed up with measurable data.
Really, buy a dictionary. You never know what words mean. Relying on data means its not faith.
Toe-may-toe, Toe-mah-Toe. Relying on others to think for you, and accepting what they find as being "data" requires faith. You aren't doing anything yourself, except taking their word for it. You lack the required knowledge to apply the conditions and solve any equations. You, yourself, are not proving anything at all. You're believing that THEY are proving it.
This has nothing to do with a dictionary. Dictionaries don't define context... we do. Words "mean" so many different things... obviously. Accurate, meaningful communication can be done without ever opening your mouth or reading scribbles on a piece of paper or computer monitor.
The confinement of all that exists to that which is measurable and claiming that without doubt there is nothing more might be seen as shallow and very short-sighted, don't you think? We're supposed to have learned that lesson at a young age. The lesson that says there's more than meets the eye, or things aren't always as they seem.
Now you're conflating belief with faith. They are different things. Yes I am believing the scientists and the peer review process produced reliable data. But that belief is based on a system with a record and verifiable success. Its not based on faith.
I think that's true. Until a few years ago Jake's position that feeling and the soul were equally mysterious was likely a whole lot more true. I'm pointing out that as of today that position isn't very true as we have more data. So it doesn't require faith or magic to believe in feelings. It does require those things to believe in the soul. Its possible as some point in the future we will have a soul detector. The Christian Scientists claim they already do, but thus far they have failed the peer review process.
Yes, things aren't always as they seem at first glance. However, with science we can measure how things really are. For instance, first appearances are that the sun, moon, planets, and starts rotate around the earth. Scientific method was able to discover this isn't true.
So far as claiming there's nothing beyond what is measurable, I'm not sure anybody has made that claim. There is plenty about the universe we don't understand and haven't discovered. But it doesn't mean for anything that's unknown we can just make crap up to fill in the gaps.
It's very important for many religious people to equate a lack of religion as a religion in itself. It helps them believe they are on equal intellectual grounds with atheists and scientists.
Press: It seems like yesterday when I sat where you're sitting and my father was lying here. He died in my arms, and I know I will die in yours. That comforts me.
Pete: Dad, I want you to know that I will never give up. I will stand and believe until your last breath that God will heal you. Someday I'll be with you. I love you.
( from Heir to a Dream ) The Life and Times of Pistol Pete Maravich
"My greatest achievement in life was leading my father to the Lord Jesus Christ"
Pete: Dad, I want you to know that I will never give up. I will stand and believe until your last breath that God will heal you. Someday I'll be with you. I love you.
( from Heir to a Dream ) The Life and Times of Pistol Pete Maravich
"My greatest achievement in life was leading my father to the Lord Jesus Christ"
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