The Standpoint Podcast with JBO
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Kudos to you for owning up to that, I'm sure you're wise enough to know that boat you were in is more loaded than Noahs Ark could ever be! Ha!
Degrees in low paying fields aren't worth the paper they're printed on, but that doesn't stop people from getting them and crying about the reality later.
I'm not smart enough to figure out why people do that. I suppose I could have taken on a shitload of debt to piece it altogether, but I'm ok with it As-Is! Guess that's on me!
Just curious, if a student at Iowa got little to no financial help, took out loans for 4 years, then paid it back with interest over 30 years. What’s the total cost?
Yes it is, and knowing that is part of why you take the deal. Along with a whole bunch of other incentives.
But if a player prioritizes getting paid, the g league has open tryouts.
I see both sides of the argument but I think once you open that door it leads to a bad place for college sports and ultimately makes for even less parity.
College football has already gotten to the point where its barely interesting anymore because there is no parity, I would hate to see that happen to basketball.
I’m not saying that the way things currently exist is a bad deal. For the vast majority of college athletes, it is a great deal. Just that those few who have the opportunity to leverage their skills and popularity to make some extra cash should be able to
And fortunately basketball is a unique sport where any team who is making shots can win games and any team who is missing shots can lose them... that’s how UMBC can beat Virginia, or how undefeated 2015 Kentucky can lose to Wisconsin... or Duke Lehigh a couple years prior. That’s why “parity” or lack thereof doesn’t really concern me. The tournament is set up so any team that is hot can make a run
What the ****? The stadium was funded by...dumbroll please...
REVENUE PRODUCED BY THE NEW STADIUM AMENITIES.
I'm a cyclone troll because I wouldn't waste time listening to a college kid blabbering about BS on a podcast?Spoken like a true cyclone troll
Guess I'm a cyclone troll then.
What about the Ball league or what ever its called. More and more opportunities are opening up for these kids to go get paid and play ball.
Couple of top recruits went that way last year. If you don't want to play in college you don't have to.
It's the ongoing struggle to try to protect the image of idealized amateurism, which probably hasn't existed since the 1940s.
We know that at the highest end of FCS football and D1 men's b-ball the reality is closer to universities being more like farm teams.
I don't have a problem with players making money off their image, but let's not pretend that won't be abused and any rules put in place skirted.
Agree with you that less parity seems more likely. I do think that's already happening and any further change in favor of allowing players to make money from their image is a matter of degree and not a fundamental shift.
Yeah. And people pay for those amenities for what reason? And schools spend the money to attract recruits....so those with the ability dump the money into facilities rather into the actual athletes..
Have you noticed how the fans keep coming to games after certain players leave?
Or how many many people attend college games vs G League games?
Yes. Have you noticed that the players are the reason the games are played?
There is an unlimited pool of prospective players willing to play for free college.
Correct
I love the comparison to kids on academic scholarships.
hows about we only let kids into college that meet the entrance requirement of the entire student body. Not the lowered one schools now use.
You want to feel sorry for someone, feel bad for walk one that would get a scholarship if it weren’t for a bunch of unqualified players on teams.
Again. Go start a g league for football and see how it turns out.
Students on academic scholarships typically aren’t required to work 50 hour weeks in addition to meeting their GPA’s. Many of these “unqualified” players don’t have the time to maintain the GPA that other students do
Nobody is asking for your sympathy. This discussion is about treating the players with respect and appreciating the time and effort that they put in for our enjoyment.
This is a weak argument. It did not work when you are a kid and does not work now. Bad behavior is not acceptable because other people do it.
Hahaha, the reason the games are played is because people, who are not the players, pay for their equipment, education, facilities, food and other shit. Without that, these players wouldn't be playing anything. You're not smart.
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plus most academic scholarship kids have jobs too without the ready access to tutors and fine dining. plus most lose their scholarship if grades drop.
It’s a “chicken or the egg” scenario. Schools and donors need to invest money in athletic programs to stay competitive with other schools and bring in quality players. Yet, without these quality players, the team sucks and the people who invest money in the athletic program are less likely to do so
It’s easy to say that the school could pull the rug out from under their D1 athletes at any time, but if they did, what would the ramifications be in terms of publicity, enrollment, and donations? You, me, and many potential Iowa students watch the same Iowa school commercials during every Iowa sporting broadcast
Not BS: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...-athletes-too-exhausted-to-study-effectively/
How many students did you know while you were in college that were working that many hours? When I was in college, most students worked about half of that, and were receiving their education so that they could work full time AFTER graduation
I'd say it's more about you telling other people how they should live their life. The Utopia you seek isn't happening, deal with it as best you can.
The petty hate for players is an interesting thing for guys that claim to be fans on a fan message board. The players should get paid what the market will bear. If Iowa can afford to build a 90m addition to attract better players they can afford to pay players.
You want to make what they make or you think they shouldn't get paid? Enter the market and see how you do.
You want to make what they make or you think they shouldn't get paid? Enter the market and see how you do.
The market has reacted: https://thepcleague.com
Looks like we will have the opportunity to see whether the top 96 (assuming 12 players per team) players aged 18-22 will eschew the "traditional amateur" model for this alternative league which will pay $50K - $150K per player (@$600K - $1.8M / team player payroll) and will try to market the individual player(s) for endorsement opportunities.
Will the Carolina Flight be more popular than the University of North Carolina Tar Heels? Same team colors. So . . . if popularity of a particular sport, a particular league or a particular team is driven by the quality of the player, shouldn't we ultimately expect that - if the Carolina Flight's roster is filled with 12 of the top 100 players aged 18-22 in this country and they'll be playing competition with rosters filled with the other top 88 players that the Carolina Flight should be wildly more popular than the University of North Carolina Tar Heels with a roster filled with less talented players? We should see significant TV money ultimately flow to the PCL, right?
Looks like we will find out.
So everyone should just sit back and take it or ignore it? Shouldn't they have the right to call out the asshats on social media? I believe they have every right to clap back. Perhaps then those dopes will quiet down.
Then again, you are part of the group that believes that magically all the folks doing this stuff aren't even Iowa fans, which I think you know isn't true. Portion of them? Sure. Trolls or other schools fans, but the majority of them are irrational fans who can't control their emotions.
You would be surprised who reads and what they read.
Stupid comparison. Why are you so invested in keeping others from making money? What type of petty jealousy makes you try and keep these young men from earning their share of billions of dollars. In what world do we say Dabo is worth 9m a year but the kids that make it for him aren't worth more than they are getting?
How am I telling you how to live your life? I really do not care how you live your life. My only request is that you respect others and their choices while doing it. This is not utopia and I think it is pretty sad that you think so.
I’ve never said it’s all Iowa fans, that is completely made up. And you think a bunch of Twitter handles with the syntax Abcd0123456789 with no followers are iowa fans? Lol, ok then. That’s your right.
It really comes down to how much you care about what other people think about you, particularly random people on social media who just trying to be negative. Obviously you and Jordan both fall into the group labeled “a bunch”.
Social media participation is a choice. It’s unfortunate that it is so negative, but that is the way it is, and avoiding it is an option.
It's a spot on comparison.
The PCL was founded on an idea that there should be an opportunity for basketball players aged 18-22 to have a choice. Either pursue the "traditional" route (NCAA model) or pursue a "new" route (the PCL). Simple economic theory tells us that markets abhor vacuums and, where there is a demand, the market will react.
College basketball players believe that there is a demand to watch their talents on the basketball courts; they believe that they are the engine that drives the NCAA machine.
I'm skeptical that their contention is the correct one. I've always thought that the fact that a team wears "Iowa," "Iowa State," "Wisconsin," etc. on the jerseys is what drives demand. I'm skeptical that if the rosters on Iowa State and Iowa played a game in Cedar Falls and the teams were the Ames Arrows versus the Iowa City Cannons that you'd draw more than 250 people to watch those players. Put them in Cyclones and Hawkeyes garb and have them play in CHA or Hilton and you'll get 13,000+ screaming fans. Why? What's the difference?
Having an opinion is not the equivalent of being "invested." Spending my time knocking on doors, encouraging people to vote for a particular candidate is being "invested." Volunteering my time to make phone calls for a particular candidate is being "invested." Volunteering my time at the local food panty is being "invested." Posting a reaction to another person's post hardly qualifies as being "invested." There is about a zero chance that what I write here will change anything. I'm not lobbying. I'm not in a position of authority. I'm voicing an opinion.
The PCL will be an interesting case study. I like the way that it is structured. I think that its goals are extremely well-intentioned. I just happen to believe that the underlying premise is flawed. I don't think that these players are as individually marketable as they perceive themselves to be. Michael Jordan didn't need the Bulls to market himself. LeBron James didn't need the Cavaliers, Heat or Lakers to market himself. They are marketable because of their phenomenal talent.
Lindell Wigginton was one hell of a basketball player for Iowa State. He is now on the roster of the Iowa Wolves. I don't recall seeing one television commercial, one commercial radio spot or a billboard featuring Wigginton as a member of the Iowa Wolves. How marketable is he?
No one is forcing these players to play for a college or university. It is not indentured servitude. They can leave the team at any time. Granted, they may lose phenomenal health care, first class meal plans, access to first-class training center, cost of living payments, no tuition costs, tutoring, etc. - but that is a choice that they can make on a daily basis. If they don't like the "deal," there is nothing forcing them to stick with the team.
Do I begrudge those D-1 athletes who desire change? Nope. I'd expect anyone in their situation to try to improve their stock in life. But, just because someone is a player on a team for which I root, it doesn't necessarily follow that I have to agree with his/her perspective.
This is pretty well said and pretty much lines up with my opinion. I would also add that the entire NCAA model evolved around federal gender equity law that took away many of the free market forces within intercollegiate athletics. So as long as universities are going to have to fund non-revenue sports then there’s going to be an issue playing paying the players that generate revenue.
I really have no issues with college players capitalizing on their name image or likeness. People just need to take time to understand why the model exists in its current iteration.
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