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The tax returns are here! The tax returns are here!

No, he didn't.

And it's why his right hand man is going to prison for tax fraud. And why the NY AG found his organization guilty of tax fraud.

The Trump Organization was found guilty of: Scheme to Defraud in the First Degree, Conspiracy in the Fourth Degree, Criminal Tax Fraud in the Third Degree, Criminal Tax Fraud in the Fourth Degree, and Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree. The Office of the Attorney General (OAG), under Attorney General James, worked closely with the Manhattan District Attorney’s (DA) Office to investigate and uncover a scheme employed by the Trump Organization to avoid paying taxes. In July 2021, the Trump Corporation and the Trump Payroll Corporation and the Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Allen Weisselberg were indicted for their roles in this tax scheme. Mr. Weisselberg pled guilty to the charges in August 2022.
LMAO! You do realize his company's tax returns and his personal tax returns are two VERY different things don't you? Trump was never criminally charged, bonehead! Have you even looked at what they charged too? Total BS from the NY AG.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
 
So it’s to help their fellow Democrats win elections, then. Thank you for confirming that this was strictly political and served no legal imperative.
Stop it. Trump destroyed all semblance of respect in government. Things Presidents did without a law being followed used to be for respect of the citizens.
 
Sure they did.

To identify how people like Trump are gaming the system AND to prevent this from happening again (where a President is allowed to enrich himself while in office, putting his own personal wealth before the interests of the United States and the people)
Not a Trumpy - but most of what I get from these is that DJT’s net worth decreased while he was in office. Am I mistaken?
 
LMAO! You do realize his company's tax returns and his personal tax returns are two VERY different things don't you? Trump was never criminally charged, bonehead! Have you even looked at what they charged too? Total BS from the NY AG.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Who owns the trump organization/trump companies? Who was aware and knew everything that went on there? Any answer other than donald j trump is BS. You really shouldn't call anyone else an idiot.
 
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Who owns the trump organization/trump companies? Who was aware and knew everything that went on there? Any answer other than donald j trump is BS. You really shouldn't call anyone else an idiot.
And you are obviously one who has never been CEO of a major corporation.
So he’s supposed to be POTUS and CEO?
Ever hear of a blind trust?
Pick up that mop and go back to work.
 
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I'm just going to go ahead and assume that even you realize how completely fvcking stupid this comment was.
(c)Disclosure of returns and return information to designee of taxpayer
The Secretary may, subject to such requirements and conditions as he may prescribe by regulations, disclose the return of any taxpayer, or return information with respect to such taxpayer, to such person or persons as the taxpayer may designate in a request for or consent to such disclosure...

And, on multiple occasions, Trump gave his consent. You don't like it? Take 'em to court. Trump can do the same, no?
 
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So it’s to help their fellow Democrats win elections, then. Thank you for confirming that this was strictly political and served no legal imperative.
How exactly does that work? Democratic candidates have all released their tax returns post-Watergate. As have all Republican candidates. How does the release of THESE tax returns “help…Democrats win elections”?

Still waiting for an analysis as to how this works...
 
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This guy sums it up nicely.

The House Should Not Have Released Trump’s Personal Tax Returns

A Trump critic argues that the committee had a valid reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns, but that publishing those returns was unfair to Trump.

Chuck Rosenberg is a former United States Attorney and senior FBI official.

The House Ways and Means Committee just released to the public six years of personal tax returns for former President Donald Trump. Trump could have released those returns when he was first a candidate, or as president, or when he recently announced his third candidacy.

His excuse for withholding his personal tax returns from public scrutiny — that he could not release them because they were under audit — is patently false. There is absolutely no law, rule or policy that precluded Trump from releasing his own tax returns, whether or not they were under audit. He simply chose not to do so. His excuse was a lie.

Breaking with significant norms of American politics was — and is — routine for Trump. So is lying. The fact that previous candidates and presidents have released their personal returns seemed not to matter to him. Trump took a chance that his voters would neither care nor punish him for ignoring this tradition. He turned out to be right about that, at least the first time around.

Last Friday, the House Ways and Means Committee did what Trump refused to do: It released his personal tax returns. I think that was a mistake. The committee certainly had a valid reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns. No quarrel there. But did they have a valid reason to publish his returns? I don’t think so.

The committee noted that it:

ought the return information and tax returns of the former President to investigate how the IRS’s mandatory audit program operated under the stress of a President who maintained financial interests in hundreds of related entities and reportedly was under audit every single year.

So, the committee’s focus was properly the IRS’ mandatory audit program. That program was established in 1977. Wisely, it took the onus off individual IRS employees to determine whether they “should” audit a president’s returns. That could be tricky, because the IRS is part of the executive branch, which is led by a president. To insulate the audit and the auditors from politics, the IRS manual transformed the “should” question into a “must” requirement: Since 1977, it provides that the “ndividual income tax returns for the President and Vice President are subject to mandatory examinations.”

The committee learned that during Trump’s term in office, he filed five personal income tax returns with the IRS, all of which should have been subject to the mandatory audit program. But the committee found that three of the five returns — for calendar years 2017, 2018, and 2019 — “were not selected for examination until after [Trump] left office and only the 2016 tax return was subject to a mandatory examination.”

Oddly, the committee also noted that “the IRS sent a letter to [Trump] notifying him that his … 2015 return was selected for examination on April 3, 2019, which is the date the [committee] sent the initial request to the IRS for [Trump’s] … tax returns.” That does not seem to be a coincidence.

Why did the IRS fail to abide its own — nearly half-century old — policy? This was one of the major questions raised in the committee’s report. Perhaps the IRS failed because Trump’s returns were inordinately complex. Perhaps, relatedly, it failed because the IRS did not have sufficient resources to audit a complex return. Perhaps, and this is surmise, it was something more nefarious.

The committee report recommends ways to fix the structural failures at the IRS, going forward. That seems valuable. And that strikes me as a sufficient reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns. For instance, the committee could not know how difficult it might be for the IRS to audit Trump’s returns if it did not know how complex they were, in the first place.

But publication of his returns is different. How does publication advance the otherwise valuable findings of the committee? Couldn’t the committee highlight the IRS’ failures in a report and keep Trump’s returns private? I believe so. Stated another way, what is the connection between the valid concerns raised by the committee — the deficiencies in the mandatory audit program they identified at the IRS — and the committee’s decision to make public Trump’s returns? None, that I see.

I am not, to put it mildly, a Trump fan so my next words may seem odd, but here goes: The committee’s decision to publish the returns was unfair to Trump. So why do I worry about being unfair to Trump? Because principles of fairness should matter to all of us, all the time, and apply to all of us, all the time, even if they do not matter to Trump.

Trump strikes me as a bad person. In many ways, he is not very different than many of the people I encountered as a federal prosecutor. He is greedy, dishonest, self-centered, narcissistic and reckless. But all the people we prosecuted deserved to be treated fairly for legal, ethical and moral reasons, and they deserved to be treated fairly all the time, whether or not we liked them. We cannot reserve fair treatment for people we like and unfair treatment for people we dislike. That would be a death spiral for our judicial system and for our democracy.

The committee did good work uncovering IRS deficiencies. Those deficiencies need to be fixed. But control of the House of Representatives — and its Ways and Means Committee — will soon switch to a different party. That party may find it politically expedient to obtain and publish the personal tax returns of people they do not like. And, the committee will have the power to do that. Perhaps the new House majority will surprise me and demonstrate restraint. Or, perhaps, they will try to “get even.” Time will tell, but we should all fear the latter.
 
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(c)Disclosure of returns and return information to designee of taxpayer
The Secretary may, subject to such requirements and conditions as he may prescribe by regulations, disclose the return of any taxpayer, or return information with respect to such taxpayer, to such person or persons as the taxpayer may designate in a request for or consent to such disclosure...

And, on multiple occasions, Trump gave his consent. You don't like it? Take 'em to court. Trump can do the same, no?
Look, if you don’t want to be taken seriously then save us both some time and just say you don’t want to be taken seriously. If you want to continue this discussion then you’re going to have to stick to arguments that aren’t thoroughly preposterous.
 
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And you are obviously one who has never been CEO of a major corporation.
So he’s supposed to be POTUS and CEO?
Ever hear of a blind trust?
Pick up that mop and go back to work.

Oh, a person has to be a ceo of a major corporation in order to see obvious tax cheating. You know what you can do with that mop.
 
This guy sums it up nicely.

The House Should Not Have Released Trump’s Personal Tax Returns

A Trump critic argues that the committee had a valid reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns, but that publishing those returns was unfair to Trump.

Chuck Rosenberg is a former United States Attorney and senior FBI official.

The House Ways and Means Committee just released to the public six years of personal tax returns for former President Donald Trump. Trump could have released those returns when he was first a candidate, or as president, or when he recently announced his third candidacy.

His excuse for withholding his personal tax returns from public scrutiny — that he could not release them because they were under audit — is patently false. There is absolutely no law, rule or policy that precluded Trump from releasing his own tax returns, whether or not they were under audit. He simply chose not to do so. His excuse was a lie.

Breaking with significant norms of American politics was — and is — routine for Trump. So is lying. The fact that previous candidates and presidents have released their personal returns seemed not to matter to him. Trump took a chance that his voters would neither care nor punish him for ignoring this tradition. He turned out to be right about that, at least the first time around.

Last Friday, the House Ways and Means Committee did what Trump refused to do: It released his personal tax returns. I think that was a mistake. The committee certainly had a valid reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns. No quarrel there. But did they have a valid reason to publish his returns? I don’t think so.

The committee noted that it:

ought the return information and tax returns of the former President to investigate how the IRS’s mandatory audit program operated under the stress of a President who maintained financial interests in hundreds of related entities and reportedly was under audit every single year.

So, the committee’s focus was properly the IRS’ mandatory audit program. That program was established in 1977. Wisely, it took the onus off individual IRS employees to determine whether they “should” audit a president’s returns. That could be tricky, because the IRS is part of the executive branch, which is led by a president. To insulate the audit and the auditors from politics, the IRS manual transformed the “should” question into a “must” requirement: Since 1977, it provides that the “ndividual income tax returns for the President and Vice President are subject to mandatory examinations.”

The committee learned that during Trump’s term in office, he filed five personal income tax returns with the IRS, all of which should have been subject to the mandatory audit program. But the committee found that three of the five returns — for calendar years 2017, 2018, and 2019 — “were not selected for examination until after [Trump] left office and only the 2016 tax return was subject to a mandatory examination.”

Oddly, the committee also noted that “the IRS sent a letter to [Trump] notifying him that his … 2015 return was selected for examination on April 3, 2019, which is the date the [committee] sent the initial request to the IRS for [Trump’s] … tax returns.” That does not seem to be a coincidence.

Why did the IRS fail to abide its own — nearly half-century old — policy? This was one of the major questions raised in the committee’s report. Perhaps the IRS failed because Trump’s returns were inordinately complex. Perhaps, relatedly, it failed because the IRS did not have sufficient resources to audit a complex return. Perhaps, and this is surmise, it was something more nefarious.

The committee report recommends ways to fix the structural failures at the IRS, going forward. That seems valuable. And that strikes me as a sufficient reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns. For instance, the committee could not know how difficult it might be for the IRS to audit Trump’s returns if it did not know how complex they were, in the first place.

But publication of his returns is different. How does publication advance the otherwise valuable findings of the committee? Couldn’t the committee highlight the IRS’ failures in a report and keep Trump’s returns private? I believe so. Stated another way, what is the connection between the valid concerns raised by the committee — the deficiencies in the mandatory audit program they identified at the IRS — and the committee’s decision to make public Trump’s returns? None, that I see.

I am not, to put it mildly, a Trump fan so my next words may seem odd, but here goes: The committee’s decision to publish the returns was unfair to Trump. So why do I worry about being unfair to Trump? Because principles of fairness should matter to all of us, all the time, and apply to all of us, all the time, even if they do not matter to Trump.

Trump strikes me as a bad person. In many ways, he is not very different than many of the people I encountered as a federal prosecutor. He is greedy, dishonest, self-centered, narcissistic and reckless. But all the people we prosecuted deserved to be treated fairly for legal, ethical and moral reasons, and they deserved to be treated fairly all the time, whether or not we liked them. We cannot reserve fair treatment for people we like and unfair treatment for people we dislike. That would be a death spiral for our judicial system and for our democracy.

The committee did good work uncovering IRS deficiencies. Those deficiencies need to be fixed. But control of the House of Representatives — and its Ways and Means Committee — will soon switch to a different party. That party may find it politically expedient to obtain and publish the personal tax returns of people they do not like. And, the committee will have the power to do that. Perhaps the new House majority will surprise me and demonstrate restraint. Or, perhaps, they will try to “get even.” Time will tell, but we should all fear the latter.
Look at you, making perfect sense.
 
Look, if you don’t want to be taken seriously then save us both some time and just say you don’t want to be taken seriously. If you want to continue this discussion then you’re going to have to stick to arguments that aren’t thoroughly preposterous.
Coming from the person who said this:

"So it’s to help their fellow Democrats win elections..."

...that's pretty funny. Care to explain it, yet?
 
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This guy sums it up nicely.

The House Should Not Have Released Trump’s Personal Tax Returns

A Trump critic argues that the committee had a valid reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns, but that publishing those returns was unfair to Trump.

Chuck Rosenberg is a former United States Attorney and senior FBI official.

The House Ways and Means Committee just released to the public six years of personal tax returns for former President Donald Trump. Trump could have released those returns when he was first a candidate, or as president, or when he recently announced his third candidacy.

His excuse for withholding his personal tax returns from public scrutiny — that he could not release them because they were under audit — is patently false. There is absolutely no law, rule or policy that precluded Trump from releasing his own tax returns, whether or not they were under audit. He simply chose not to do so. His excuse was a lie.

Breaking with significant norms of American politics was — and is — routine for Trump. So is lying. The fact that previous candidates and presidents have released their personal returns seemed not to matter to him. Trump took a chance that his voters would neither care nor punish him for ignoring this tradition. He turned out to be right about that, at least the first time around.

Last Friday, the House Ways and Means Committee did what Trump refused to do: It released his personal tax returns. I think that was a mistake. The committee certainly had a valid reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns. No quarrel there. But did they have a valid reason to publish his returns? I don’t think so.

The committee noted that it:

ought the return information and tax returns of the former President to investigate how the IRS’s mandatory audit program operated under the stress of a President who maintained financial interests in hundreds of related entities and reportedly was under audit every single year.

So, the committee’s focus was properly the IRS’ mandatory audit program. That program was established in 1977. Wisely, it took the onus off individual IRS employees to determine whether they “should” audit a president’s returns. That could be tricky, because the IRS is part of the executive branch, which is led by a president. To insulate the audit and the auditors from politics, the IRS manual transformed the “should” question into a “must” requirement: Since 1977, it provides that the “ndividual income tax returns for the President and Vice President are subject to mandatory examinations.”

The committee learned that during Trump’s term in office, he filed five personal income tax returns with the IRS, all of which should have been subject to the mandatory audit program. But the committee found that three of the five returns — for calendar years 2017, 2018, and 2019 — “were not selected for examination until after [Trump] left office and only the 2016 tax return was subject to a mandatory examination.”

Oddly, the committee also noted that “the IRS sent a letter to [Trump] notifying him that his … 2015 return was selected for examination on April 3, 2019, which is the date the [committee] sent the initial request to the IRS for [Trump’s] … tax returns.” That does not seem to be a coincidence.

Why did the IRS fail to abide its own — nearly half-century old — policy? This was one of the major questions raised in the committee’s report. Perhaps the IRS failed because Trump’s returns were inordinately complex. Perhaps, relatedly, it failed because the IRS did not have sufficient resources to audit a complex return. Perhaps, and this is surmise, it was something more nefarious.

The committee report recommends ways to fix the structural failures at the IRS, going forward. That seems valuable. And that strikes me as a sufficient reason to obtain and examine Trump’s returns. For instance, the committee could not know how difficult it might be for the IRS to audit Trump’s returns if it did not know how complex they were, in the first place.

But publication of his returns is different. How does publication advance the otherwise valuable findings of the committee? Couldn’t the committee highlight the IRS’ failures in a report and keep Trump’s returns private? I believe so. Stated another way, what is the connection between the valid concerns raised by the committee — the deficiencies in the mandatory audit program they identified at the IRS — and the committee’s decision to make public Trump’s returns? None, that I see.

I am not, to put it mildly, a Trump fan so my next words may seem odd, but here goes: The committee’s decision to publish the returns was unfair to Trump. So why do I worry about being unfair to Trump? Because principles of fairness should matter to all of us, all the time, and apply to all of us, all the time, even if they do not matter to Trump.

Trump strikes me as a bad person. In many ways, he is not very different than many of the people I encountered as a federal prosecutor. He is greedy, dishonest, self-centered, narcissistic and reckless. But all the people we prosecuted deserved to be treated fairly for legal, ethical and moral reasons, and they deserved to be treated fairly all the time, whether or not we liked them. We cannot reserve fair treatment for people we like and unfair treatment for people we dislike. That would be a death spiral for our judicial system and for our democracy.

The committee did good work uncovering IRS deficiencies. Those deficiencies need to be fixed. But control of the House of Representatives — and its Ways and Means Committee — will soon switch to a different party. That party may find it politically expedient to obtain and publish the personal tax returns of people they do not like. And, the committee will have the power to do that. Perhaps the new House majority will surprise me and demonstrate restraint. Or, perhaps, they will try to “get even.” Time will tell, but we should all fear the latter.
The only precedent set was the release of the tax records of a POTUS who refused to release them. Given that Trump is the first since Watergate to do that, and likely the last, I'm not sure what the issue is. Given that Trump absolutely used the office to enrich himself at taxpayer expense and apparently lied about his "charitable giving", I have no problem getting a look at what he did.
 
The only precedent set was the release of the tax records of a POTUS who refused to release them. Given that Trump is the first since Watergate to do that, and likely the last, I'm not sure what the issue is. Given that Trump absolutely used the office to enrich himself at taxpayer expense and apparently lied about his "charitable giving", I have no problem getting a look at what he did.
I’m not going to convince you, nor you me. We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether it was right to publicly release the returns.
 
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I’m not going to convince you, nor you me. We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether it was right to publicly release the returns.
I'm not arguing "right". It was necessary. And your author, again, makes no argument other than now the GOP can do the dame thing...except Biden already released all relevant returns so I'm not sure what point he's making. Hell, TRUMP argued that presidential returns are absolutely relevant when he railed at Romney for waiting so long. He blamed Romney's loss on Mitt's slow walk on his release. Fvck Trump.
 
I'm not arguing "right". It was necessary. And your author, again, makes no argument other than now the GOP can do the dame thing...except Biden already released all relevant returns so I'm not sure what point he's making. Hell, TRUMP argued that presidential returns are absolutely relevant when he railed at Romney for waiting so long. He blamed Romney's loss on Mitt's slow walk on his release. Fvck Trump.
IMO it was neither right, nor necessary. But like I said, I’m not going to convince you, so peace.
 
It should be REQUIRED for a POTUS. That hasn't been necessary until now. And we can now count this as one of Trump's campaign promises kept. Win-win.
I would like to see something more for all candidates for federal office, but even the House Committee didn’t go that far in their recommendations.
 
Coming from the person who said this:

"So it’s to help their fellow Democrats win elections..."

...that's pretty funny. Care to explain it, yet?
I was simply paraphrasing what JP wrote. If you don’t agree then take it up with him.

My theory is Democrats were eager to do something, anything, that could hurt or embarrass Trump in some way. It certainly wasn’t what they told a federal appeals court they were going to do and it certainly did nothing to achieve their stated objective.

So if you have a better theory that isn’t complete fvcking nonsense then feel free to share it with us.
 
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Oh, a person has to be a ceo of a major corporation in order to see obvious tax cheating. You know what you can do with that mop.
Does everything fly right over your head...including facts?
 
I was simply paraphrasing what JP wrote. If you don’t agree then take it up with him.

My theory is Democrats were eager to do something, anything, that could hurt or embarrass Trump in some way. It certainly wasn’t what they told a federal appeals court they were going to do and it certainly did nothing to achieve their stated objective.

So if you have a better theory that isn’t complete fvcking nonsense then feel free to share it with us.
Sure...it's simple. It's necessary. Every potential POTUS since Nixon...every single one...recognized this until Trump. It should have been written into law long ago but who would have foreseen someone as reprehensible as Trump not just running but winning. Here's my deal...if a future POTUS refuses to release his or her returns, I'm on board with it being done involuntarily. POTUS is a unique individual with unique powers and should be held to unique standards. Why do you believe otherwise?
 
I know that...but counting on the honor system breaks down when you have someone running who possesses not one speck of honor.
I think you, me, TJ are all in agreement with the House recommendations that the audit process should be made mandatory (in law). I believe we just differ on whether the subsequent public disclosure of the tax returns was appropriate. That’s ok - from all the commentary I’ve read there are a lot of opinions on this point.
 
I know that...but counting on the honor system breaks down when you have someone running who possesses not one speck of honor.
Also, I agree wholeheartedly.

Trump - the lawless POS that he is- broke down a bunch of institutions we all thought were rock solid. He really exposed how much of our system of government and all its checks and balances are dependent on a minimal level of honorable conduct and good intent. Not sure we will ever get that back.
 
Sure...it's simple. It's necessary. Every potential POTUS since Nixon...every single one...recognized this until Trump. It should have been written into law long ago but who would have foreseen someone as reprehensible as Trump not just running but winning. Here's my deal...if a future POTUS refuses to release his or her returns, I'm on board with it being done involuntarily. POTUS is a unique individual with unique powers and should be held to unique standards. Why do you believe otherwise?
I have no objection to making it a law that all POTUS candidates must release their tax returns. But it’s not a law right now.

What is a law right now is that you cannot release another person’s tax returns to the public without their consent. And 24 Democratic members of congress chose to blatantly disregard that law in order to score political points against an opponent.

Why are you okay with politicians breaking the law to embarrass an opponent? Or are you only okay with Democrats breaking the law to embarrass an opponent?
 
Also, I agree wholeheartedly.

Trump - the lawless POS that he is- broke down a bunch of institutions we all thought were rock solid. He really exposed how much of our system of government and all its checks and balances are dependent on a minimal level of honorable conduct and good intent. Not sure we will ever get that back.
We can get it that honor back. But only if we expose Trump for the corrupt person he is and hold him for account. And that account starts with making his finances public.
 
I have no objection to making it a law that all POTUS candidates must release their tax returns. But it’s not a law right now.

What is a law right now is that you cannot release another person’s tax returns to the public without their consent. And 24 Democratic members of congress chose to blatantly disregard that law in order to score political points against an opponent.

Why are you okay with politicians breaking the law to embarrass an opponent? Or are you only okay with Democrats breaking the law to embarrass an opponent?
With all due respect, boo frickin’ hoo. He didn’t play any ethical ball while POTUS, including submitting to audits that protect us from our nation’s top executive being bought and paid for by foreign interests. He should be made an example of.
 
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