The Truth About Cancer
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This is pretty funny, thanks for posting. The tootheology joke make me laugh out loud.
I do have to add this. I'm relatively young, so I haven't had too much go wrong with me yet, but I have had a few things and alternative medicine has been the answer after mainstream completely failed me.
I've brought up all of these before, as people here will probably remember.
1) A tailbone injury that happened about 17 years ago. I went to the hospital, took x rays and they said it would go away in about a week. Well it didn't and stayed with me for well over 10 years. I finally figured out that the worst of it would happen when the weather turned cold. I started taking vitamin D3 for other reasons (because it can reduce certain types of cancers by as much as 50% - among many other benefits), and my back pain/tenderness went away - completely. If I get off it in the winter especially, it will eventually come back.
2) Cold sores can be completely wiped out quickly with ear wax. A lot of the over the counter stuff is complete junk that's toxic and doesn't work at all.
3) The common cold can be stopped completely if it's caught early with a few drops of hydrogen peroxide in the ears. It completely blows the crap they sell on the shelves out of the water.
These things work - every time - with no side effects, and I've learned about them only through alternative medicine outlets. Never EVER would have found out about them from a doctor or a commercial while watching the evening news. If you can't be up front with me with the little things, why should I trust you with the big things?
Another thing, last year "The Truth About Cancer" put out some extremely informative episodes. The second episode explained the ins and outs of excessive sugar and how it affects the body. That knowledge gave me the knowledge I needed to beat my own personal sugar issues and I lost about 25 lbs as a result, and kept it off. I am a much healthier person now because of it, so I hoped these videos might have something like that that might help others as well.
I'm glad my dad has been going to Mayo Clinic, University Of Chicago and elsewhere for medical trials and proven drugs for the last 16 years.
Had he been doing holistic b.s.he'd be dead from his cancer.
Had he been doing holistic b.s.he'd be dead from his cancer.
Chemo did help save my son's life, but the treatment was hell. Watching it as a parent is about as bad as it gets. It does work, but not everyone responds to it the same. I do believe there are other factors besides chemo in how a person responds. Nutrition and mental state come to mind.
I hate cancer. It almost cost me a son, and the stress of it on the family contributed to the end of my marriage.
I hate cancer. It almost cost me a son, and the stress of it on the family contributed to the end of my marriage.
I am 100% convinced alternative medicine outlets best answers when it comes to preventing cancer and it's not even close.
I'm still a bit skeptical about many of the alternative treatments - I'd imagine sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't - like chemo and radiation. I've heard many times though that a good deal of the time chemo and radiation appear to work, but for a shot period of time only. As an episode in this series explains, it eliminates the daughter cells, but does not eliminate, but strengthens the stem cells so it comes back in within 5 years and when it comes back it comes back worse than before. In addition I know that some alternative therapies work much better for certain types of cancers and not for others - like c and r. I also know that the alternative therapies do not work well when the patient is still eating junk, so the patient has to be on board with eating healthy and avoid junk or it's not going to work. This lifestyle change component I think is extremely hard for a lot of people and I suspect steals favorable efficacy data for alternative therapies. I think the same may be true for chemo and rad, however. As least with the alternative therapies the patient it told the correct and incorrect things to eat to help the body eliminate the cancer and prevent it from coming back.
1. It's the upper midwest. Many people are Vitamin D deficient, as we don't get enough sun in the winter, and people sit indoors. I helps supplement bone growth, this is not something surprising. I worked with a pediatric orthopedist that recommended it for everyone.
2. The OTC options are weak antivirals. Come in, get the full strength stuff and it knocks it out faster. Nothing really "toxic" about it. If you want to smear ear wax on it, be my guest. I've never found a study on it. However, the course of a cold sore is variable, it may have gone away in a short time without any intervention.
3. Again, no data for it, and I doubt it would be shown to be more effective than placebo in a trial, but it's not gonna hurt, so knock yourself out. I agree, most of the natural cold remedies (vitamin c, ginger, etc) are ineffective and also have no data supporting their use. I tell my patients to increase fluid intake and use OTC meds for symptom management. Your body will get rid of it on it's own. I even tell them to not use tylenol for a mild fever unless they are symptomatic from it.
4. It's not a secret that the American diet is too heavy on carbohydrates, both complex and simple. This isn't something that the medical community hasn't already been saying for years.
It's our job to provide you information based on the best available science, keeping in mind basic physiology and pharmacology. I don't recommend these alternative remedies because there is no data to support it and it would be irresponsible for me to do so.
Can you please explain how these work (as in, on a cellular level, using specific lymphocytes, etc, in your explanation)? Don't post a video...I want to see words.
These types of films are very misleading and commonly quote out of context. I get a few minutes into this film and the "experts" are quoting a study that oncologists wont take chemo or give it to their families 90% of the time because it is so toxic. A ridiculous notion implying physicians give chemo but know it doesn't work and is too toxic , yet give it to patients to make money. If you believe this, essentially you believe all traditional Oncologists are evil.
The key to that study is that the physicians were asked if they would take the chemo if they were terminal and the chemo had little chance of prolonging life. Pretty reasonable to say no to that question I would say.Indeed Oncologists recommend not taking chemotherapy very often to patients in that same situation.
I know a fair number of Oncologists and every one would take chemo or radiation if they contracted cancer in which the therapy had a significant chance to prolong life. Indeed right now I know of at least one Oncologist with cancer on therapy, and another Oncologist whose spouse is on therapy.
Just because the title of a Series is "The Truth About Cancer" doesn't mean it is the truth.
Apparently ear wax has antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral properties, so I'm guessing the antiviral end probably stops hsv. Just a guess, but seems logical. I don't have data on specific lymphocyte type.
As far as the hp stopping the cold thing in 1928 Richard Simmons, MD hypothesized that colds enter through the ear and not through the nose or mouth, and in 1938 German researchers had good success at treating colds and flu with hp in the ear.
Richard Simmons must have been right because it works every time for me if I catch it early. Online it looks like people are saying 80% success rate. Let's put it this way, I have colds late as I have maybe a 1 -2 hour window to stop it completely. If I wait longer....but not too much longer than that it's a very very mild cold that might last for a day or 2. I have no other conclusion but to say that Richard Simmons was right, and why the heck more people don't pay attention to it is beyond me. My whole family does it, with great success.
Thanks for posting, that's interesting. Can I ask how you know that? Do you have a link?
There is some data that suggests some limited antibacterial and antifungal properties, but it's not conclusive as other has shown cerumen can actually support microbial growth. I am unaware of any studies looking at viral activity.
So...a cold?
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What you are describing are 'anecdotal' stories of your experience. Many simple medical conditions clear up completely on their own (not typically cancer, but it has happened). And people who tried some wacky potion which coincided with a natural clearup then espouse it as a 'miracle cure'.
That's not evidence. Evidence is setting up randomized trial comparisons, using a control and even a placebo along with the test treatments. When you gather the data and have someone analyze it objectively, you come up with statistical evidence of what worked and what didn't. Absent that objective evidence, you have nothing. And that's what MOST of the 'alternative' crowd sell. Nothing. They have no data or analysis, they have stories.
One wonderful example is the 'Airborne' OTC treatment 'invented by a schoolteacher!' Well, they DID test that vs. control and found it was utterly INEFFECTIVE on colds. And the sellers had to modify their labeling because of it. In the US or any civilized country that has an FDA-equivalent, you MUST produce objective evidence of your new treatment to be able to make a claim on in and market it. Period.
RARELY do I see anything remotely close to that with alternative medicines. There are SOME that have been evaluated and been found to have benefits. But don't make the mistake of lumping them all together just because A FEW of them have been shown to work. Use the ones that have been shown to work. Ask the rest to produce the evidence that proves they work.
And we aren't talking about 'Big Pharma' or 'The Medical Establishment' keeping the alternative options suppressed. In order to perform those studies, you only need a basic knowledge of statistics. If you run your study correctly, and the statistics show your alternative has a high probability that it actually works, you will get it published, you will be able to label and market it against any other 'standard' or 'Western' medical treatment.
But the 'alternatives' crowd doesn't do this, because when the tests are actually run, 99% of the stuff turns out to be total crap.
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Yeah, I like you am not having much luck finding studies on the inner workings of how and why it works for cold sores.
I'm probably not going to wait for them either. It'd be like refusing to drive a car until you know everything about how it works.
If there are many on the internet who have found that ear wax destroys a cold sore, which there are, and it's completely and quickly wiped out every cold sore I've had for the past 4 years now, then why aren't there any studies done on the effectiveness of ear wax for cold sores?
You talking to me? Yes, many times. It has worked every time if I catch it soon enough.
Because the homeopaths won't do a scientific study? You should encourage them to do one. Double blind study, of course.
And, if they work for you... do you need the clinical details? I don't!
I don't think alternative treatments are all bad. I just think that conventional treatments should be tried before some snake oil treatment that has not been proven. As Wendy suggested, there is a reason why these crazy remedies haven't been properly tested because they would fail the scrutiny of a true double blind test.
Certainly there are big problems with pharma and associated entities but behind all of the drugs are scientists that are actually testing these things and the FDA is providing some oversight. I know if I get cancer tomorrow, I'm going to go with what my oncologist says until he tells me. "There's nothing we can do." Then I'd seek out alternatives.
Certainly there are big problems with pharma and associated entities but behind all of the drugs are scientists that are actually testing these things and the FDA is providing some oversight. I know if I get cancer tomorrow, I'm going to go with what my oncologist says until he tells me. "There's nothing we can do." Then I'd seek out alternatives.
Wait, why does it have to be a homeopathic entity that does the study? Can't we attract some mainstream attention to get to the bottom of it - since it's been proven to be effective?
Hint: There's a reason why this treatment isn't in the mainstream, and it's not because it doesn't work.
Even if something "works for you" when it comes to cancer, you still need the clinical trials and studies. That same thing that might be curing your cancer might be eating your kidneys or causing unknown other issues.
Drugs and remedies aren't as simple as "Take pill X, Cure ailment Y." The body is a bit more complex than that. That is one of the biggest problems with any drug are the side effects.
Drugs and remedies aren't as simple as "Take pill X, Cure ailment Y." The body is a bit more complex than that. That is one of the biggest problems with any drug are the side effects.
Ok, but I was wondering how TxDoc got his info about this study specifically. If it's in there then I apologize because I just skimmed it. I'd really like to know where he got this in his post: "The key to that study is that the physicians were asked if they would take the chemo if they were terminal and the chemo had little chance of prolonging life."
When Steve Jobs cancer was first detected he has a high chance of cure. Instead he went around the world trying every alternative cure. By the time he came back here and got on western treatment, it was too far along. You do the the alternative, I will do what my doctors tell me
ANYONE can do the study. This is simple enough that a HS kid could do it as a science fair project.
In fact, ANY university could support this type of study; big business would not do it, because they would simply have zero financial incentive for it, because if 'ear wax' turned out to be effective and safe, they wouldn't have anything to gain from it.
My suspicion is that SEVERAL groups have already tried this, and found out it actually DOESN'T work; that 'cold sores heal up on their own just as fast with or without' the home remedy.
But anecdotal evidence is simply NOT evidence. It can often be a starting point for someone to conduct a formal study (MANY established drugs have found new uses this way - in particular, Finasteride for baldness - but ONLY after they ran independent, statistical analysis). You do not need anything fancy to run this type of study; you simply need to know how to set up the statistical groups and objectively (blindly) evaluate the evidence.
Homeopathic supporters simply REFUSE to run these types of studies, because they turn out to NOT work and that goes against their pre-determined belief that 'natural remedies work'. By not performing these types of studies, their claims are totally without merit. They are complete bullshit. You need to understand and accept that: just because it is a 'home remedy' or 'homeopathic remedy' does not exempt the method from scrutiny via the established scientific method. THOUSANDS of viable, Big Pharma remedies have been tossed out because they did not withstand statistical/scientific scrutiny. To give 'natural' rememdies a 'bye' because they are 'natural' is ridiculous: evaluate those treatments the same way 'the establishment' is required to test its drugs, etc.: Period.
Sure, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Just like chemo and radiation, right? Just because it didn't work for one man doesn't mean it doesn't work at all.
Plus if he tried every alternative cure, what were the synergistic effects? Did he stop doing something that would have worked if he stayed on it? We didn't have an alternate SJ that could move forward with the chemo and radiation to find out if it would've worked or if he was just screwed anyway. Maybe chemo and radiation would have worked in his case. You know the alternative folks say the same thing about Michael Landon that if he would have gone through with his alternative therapy he might still be around today. He had a friend who went alternative and she was cured.
I'd suspect a kid in a science fair wouldn't be able to find enough subjects with a cold sore / willing to participate with anything that has to do with ear wax. Now you're looking at bigger money to do such a study. Like you said, who wants to fund something like that if there's no financial incentive?
Just because there isn't a study on it doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
I have two facts. Many people claim that ear wax works on the internet. I read those claims and tried it and it's worked - every time. That's good enough for me and I don't need a study from anybody to tell me whether it works or not in order for me to keep doing what I'm doing, and inform others on something that might help them.
I have no idea if it works for everybody, but if it didn't work at all, I'd suspect it wouldn't work for me, and I wouldn't have read about it working on the internet.
Except that 'radiation and chemo', when properly dosed for the right cancers, can often work 80% or 90% of the time.
We can turn your statement around and ask: 'just because it worked for one person doesn't mean it will work for all'. Which is THE reason we put any prospective therapies to the test of double-blinded studies to see objectively if they really MIGHT work, and if they do hold promise, how efficacious are they?
Some cancers do not respond well to any chemo or radiation (e.g. gliomas). But when we have established methods which have been statistically shown to either cure people, or significantly prolong their lives, why should ANYONE listen to 'anecdotal' stories of someone 'cured' via an alternative method? Why don't we see the studies, including the appropriate statistical analysis to put those 'alternative' methods up to the same scrutiny as things like chemo and radiation?
The main answer is that people who have little hope using conventional methods will grasp at ANY straw to try and treat/save themselves. And this is a perfect formula for snake oil salesmen to take their money from them at 'alternative' clinics in countries that do not have regulatory bodies or laws to prevent it.
NOTHING prevents anyone from testing an alternative therapy and publishing their results in a journal. The ONLY thing that prevents this is IRBs in developed nations, which will NOT sign off on a study to deprive people of viable therapies (and potential cures) just to treat them with "watered down water" to see if the homeopathic method works...
Just because someone on the internet says it worked for them doesn't mean it has any clinical or medical value.
ANY university or 'alternative' school could front the small pittance of money it would take to compare your 'ear wax' theory to a standard 'pharma' treatment. ANYONE.
My guess is someone has done it, and it didn't work, so they didn't bother to publish it.
More often than not, someone DOES publish something along the lines of 'there are xxx compounds in ear wax', and some hippie-jockey took that out of context because that compound CAN treat a herpes virus. But the original study did not specifically evaluate that, and it's more likely that the concentrations are far too low, or they are not in a useful/therapeutic form for delivering the compound. But that disinformation can live on the internet for decades.
If 'home remedies' like this actually had medical value, one would think that at least ONE alternative institution would conduct a double-blinded study to prove it.....because there would be a nice payoff in being the author or co-author of that study....
And how much ear wax do you guys have anyway?
Enough to keep Q-Tips in business and/or cure all the cold sores in the land. It's like a damn wax museum in there...
You're not supposed to use q-tips in your ears...it just pushes everything deeper.
