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So money was the only reason? Personnel had nothing to do with it? We heard from one of our own players (a ND transfer) that they had crappy facilities back then, yet they were pretty good at that time.

It has become more and more of an “arms race” in college football. The practice bubble was state of the art at the time but became outdated. The new football practice facility is a huge step up. However Minnesota, Northwestern, and others are also building impressive facilities. That ND player you talk about was correct in that Iowa had fallen behind at that time. Yes, unfortunately $ play a HUGE role in the success of your FB program.
 
Then how did we dominate them in the 80's, 90's? That was also the case then.

Iowa was taking some of their best players (Mark Bortz) back then. Wisconsin had not committed resources to football or basketball and simply dropped baseball in the 80s. Athletic program was a joke.
What you forget is Wisconsin manhandled you in 2015 and you got very lucky.

Was it also a “manhandling” in the Badgers 2014 26-24 victory? Iowa had more total yards and lost the games only turnover. Guess Wisconsin was “lucky”?
 
Fair enough.
We used to be pretty much equal in this regard. What happened?
Lastly, I am hopeful that with his first year under his belt, BF will show marked improvement with the development of the offense next year. The O was simply abysmal this year in some games, Wisconsin, ironically quickly comes to mind. On the other hand they were great in other games, like of course, Ohio State. Offensive consistency would do wonders to improve our win total, I would think.
Barry Alvarez >>>>>>>>>>Gary Barta.
 
I want to see how this BF offense plays out. He gets the consistency to match the D then Iowa will be right there. They've stated in pressers how close they were, as was also stated in 2008 before Orange bowl run. I'm going to trust them again here. KF fails this time, the heat will be on maybe more than in '14.
The biggest problem is that Wisconsin can recruit quality WRs (plural)! We can't.
 
What you forget is Wisconsin manhandled you in 2015 and you got very lucky.
I mentioned that Iowa had 2 unforced errors in the '17 game (a snap at the wrong time AND a ball that came off the QB's hand). However, I would assume that the "lucky" play you're talking about is the one when the Wisconsin football player was shoved backward ... and he stepped on the QB's foot as a consequence. Just "lucky" I guess ....
 
Wisconsin is a below average state for recruiting. No 4 stars in 2018 or so far in 2019. They get a stud o-lineman or rb every couple of years but that's about it. They constantly hover in the 30s nationally in recruiting. They also have a huge hurdle to overcome with their admission standards. They lose out on a lot of elite talent because their admission standards are so high. Their ability to develop 2 and 3 star kids as well as walk ons is crazy. In 2016 their best defensive and offensive players were both walk ons. Also, their strength and conditioning program is second to none.
Sorry, but Wisconsin is not an Ivy. Thus admission standards are not an issue. If you are an athlete and they want you, and you are anything above border line, they will find a way to get you into the school. Duke took a student from a North Shore high school a few years back with an ACT of 23 to play basketball. A 23 for anyone other than an athlete will not get you anywhere near Duke. Stanford took a football player from another North Shore high school, the one my son attended, and as a Junior they worked with him and his parents to make sure that he met their minimums. Again, scores and grades that wouldn't get a non athlete into Stanford. Wisconsin is no different. If a student passes through the clearing house, and they meet minimums for the school they are getting in.
 
Sorry, but Wisconsin is not an Ivy. Thus admission standards are not an issue. If you are an athlete and they want you, and you are anything above border line, they will find a way to get you into the school. Duke took a student from a North Shore high school a few years back with an ACT of 23 to play basketball. A 23 for anyone other than an athlete will not get you anywhere near Duke. Stanford took a football player from another North Shore high school, the one my son attended, and as a Junior they worked with him and his parents to make sure that he met their minimums. Again, scores and grades that wouldn't get a non athlete into Stanford. Wisconsin is no different. If a student passes through the clearing house, and they meet minimums for the school they are getting in.
My daughter got into Stanford as an athlete, and she worked her ass off her Senior year, taking 5 AP courses. Stanford wanted them. Had she chosen Michigan, she could have cruised through her senior year.
 
While I don’t disagree, their last 2 seasons are top 4 all time for Wisconsin. Not just last 20 years, but all time.

This is pretty debatable. This year would be for sure. Last year probably doesn’t top any of the Rose Bowl champ years.
 
Sorry, but Wisconsin is not an Ivy. Thus admission standards are not an issue. If you are an athlete and they want you, and you are anything above border line, they will find a way to get you into the school. Duke took a student from a North Shore high school a few years back with an ACT of 23 to play basketball. A 23 for anyone other than an athlete will not get you anywhere near Duke. Stanford took a football player from another North Shore high school, the one my son attended, and as a Junior they worked with him and his parents to make sure that he met their minimums. Again, scores and grades that wouldn't get a non athlete into Stanford. Wisconsin is no different. If a student passes through the clearing house, and they meet minimums for the school they are getting in.

You realize that within all of these words, you still admit that some schools can offer and accept athletes that some schools can’t, right?
 
Iowa was taking some of their best players (Mark Bortz) back then. Wisconsin had not committed resources to football or basketball and simply dropped baseball in the 80s. Athletic program was a joke.


Was it also a “manhandling” in the Badgers 2014 26-24 victory? Iowa had more total yards and lost the games only turnover. Guess Wisconsin was “lucky”?
We were talking 2015.
 
Sorry, but Wisconsin is not an Ivy. Thus admission standards are not an issue. If you are an athlete and they want you, and you are anything above border line, they will find a way to get you into the school. Duke took a student from a North Shore high school a few years back with an ACT of 23 to play basketball. A 23 for anyone other than an athlete will not get you anywhere near Duke. Stanford took a football player from another North Shore high school, the one my son attended, and as a Junior they worked with him and his parents to make sure that he met their minimums. Again, scores and grades that wouldn't get a non athlete into Stanford. Wisconsin is no different. If a student passes through the clearing house, and they meet minimums for the school they are getting in.
The problem isn’t grades , it’s coursework, Wisconsin demands two years of foreign language along with the extra math course, that’s major for a lot of sub 4.5 types.LOL
 
I mentioned that Iowa had 2 unforced errors in the '17 game (a snap at the wrong time AND a ball that came off the QB's hand). However, I would assume that the "lucky" play you're talking about is the one when the Wisconsin football player was shoved backward ... and he stepped on the QB's foot as a consequence. Just "lucky" I guess ....
If Wisconsin just ran the ball that game and the kids had played ten quarters, Iowa doesn’t score, go back and watch it, we handed you the game and Chryst became a better coach thereafter.
 
If Wisconsin just ran the ball that game and the kids had played ten quarters, Iowa doesn’t score, go back and watch it, we handed you the game and Chryst became a better coach thereafter.

Oh... So you're trying to start a "who should have won games of past years" pissing match! Sounds fun. I'm gonna pass though.
 
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If Wisconsin just ran the ball that game and the kids had played ten quarters, Iowa doesn’t score, go back and watch it, we handed you the game and Chryst became a better coach thereafter.

Wisconsin averaged 2.5 yards per carry for the game.
 
What you forget is Wisconsin manhandled you in 2015 and you got very lucky.
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Fair enough.
We used to be pretty much equal in this regard. What happened?
Lastly, I am hopeful that with his first year under his belt, BF will show marked improvement with the development of the offense next year. The O was simply abysmal this year in some games, Wisconsin, ironically quickly comes to mind. On the other hand they were great in other games, like of course, Ohio State. Offensive consistency would do wonders to improve our win total, I would think.

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Sorry, but Wisconsin is not an Ivy. Thus admission standards are not an issue. If you are an athlete and they want you, and you are anything above border line, they will find a way to get you into the school. Duke took a student from a North Shore high school a few years back with an ACT of 23 to play basketball. A 23 for anyone other than an athlete will not get you anywhere near Duke. Stanford took a football player from another North Shore high school, the one my son attended, and as a Junior they worked with him and his parents to make sure that he met their minimums. Again, scores and grades that wouldn't get a non athlete into Stanford. Wisconsin is no different. If a student passes through the clearing house, and they meet minimums for the school they are getting in.
Northwestern, Wisconsin, and I believe Illinois all require something more than meeting the NCAA Clearinghouse requirements. Northwestern wouldn’t have any athletics programs if they applied the same admission standards to athletes as they do to students. Now how many minimum qualifiers are going to be able to stay eligible at Northwestern? Not many. It’s up to the institution to figure out what they deem necessary.
 
If Wisconsin just ran the ball that game and the kids had played ten quarters, Iowa doesn’t score, go back and watch it, we handed you the game and Chryst became a better coach thereafter.
Keep on living revisionist history if it helps you feel better about yourself. If you want a more accurate excuse ... that was the season Wisconsin was massively dinged up at RB. It was impressive what the Badgers pulled off in the face of that adversity that season.
 
There is one main difference between Wisconsin and Iowa in the last 10 years: rushing offense.

Wisconsin has finished in the top 3 in the Big 10 in rushing offense in 9 out of the last 10 seasons. In that same time, Iowa's highest finish was 4th in 2008.

When Iowa runs the ball well, we win. In the last 3 years, Iowa is 28-1 when we rush for over 100 yards. Conversely, they are 0-11 when rushing for less than 100 yards.

The way they run the ball works better than the way we do it.
 
The way they run the ball works better than the way we do it.

The end product is a direct result of a very proficient AD; and a staff willing to hire former players that probably don't share a surname with the head coach. And recruiting players that are best qualified that probably don't share a surname with the head coach.
 
The end product is a direct result of a very proficient AD; and a staff willing to hire former players that probably don't share a surname with the head coach. And recruiting players that are best qualified that probably don't share a surname with the head coach.

Are you implying Brian wasn't worthy of a coaching position and that he and James weren't worthy of playing for Iowa?
 
We played two true freshmen this year at tackle, and lost two Seniors. Of course we did not open holes like in the past, we had baby fat leaning against solid muscle, comparatively speaking.

Right there is a huge difference between wisky and us. We lost two senior tackles and replaced them with freshman...what the hell happened to the three years of player development in between that made us turn to true freshman....wisky is a reload program right now, Iowa is a rebuild team
 
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