Exhibit "A." BTW, you forgot to call Montell Marion a "thug."
The Whining Needs to Stop
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Exhibit "A." BTW, you forgot to call Montell Marion a "thug."
And, again, you simply criticize him for criticizing; you don't take issue with any of his points.
Frankly, I agree with his assessment of their antics, and I think most Iowa fans who don't are hypocrites -- because you would be all over other coaches and wrestlers for doing things that you forgive (applaud?) when the person doing it represents Iowa.
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I remember when we used to do that. Good times!
I am sure they were. Gable won all those titles, then his wrestlers spread the Gable way across the nation. Parity entered our sport. Then Cael (another good wrestler) tapped into a wrestling hotbed in PA. He is winning a bunch of titles now. Guess kids these days like to win and be on winning teams. Kids are chomping at the bit to sit on the bench at PSU.
Lastly, Gable retired in 1997. You should be up to speed now.
Entitled is a dirty word to use within any wrestling conversation in my opinion.
You dont get what you deserve you get what you earn.
Hey Pennstate1985 and Neo Hawk, do people on the weather forum complain this much
bitch....please
I dunno, you seem pretty delicate. Any criticism of TnT seems to send you into a tizzy.
I'd suggest that the whiners grow up and pull on their big girl panties, but most would do it literally.
I think those who can't stand criticism should grow up and pull on their big girl panties.
Gee, this is fun.
Girl panties, green sweaters or cut offs and shorts. Who cares what you wear as long as you win.....a lot.....year after year....
I would like to tell you, but I got banned when I got into an argument blaming global warming on Al Roker. I mean, REALLY! Geez, we never had these catastrophic weather events when Willard Scott was running the show. It's so obvious. Hello? What a bunch of clowns.
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I'm up to speed now, thank you for taking the time to educate me. Not sure what your point is since I don't sit behind you at the meets and have never said any of the things you are talking about....
...but I like your gumption I give the education and summation portion a solid "A" and give your overall post a "B+".
See isn't that more rewarding and accurate than just saying "you passed.". I mean half the time the PSU fans here pass, but I would never give them anything better that a C-
Incessant screaming and yelling at a ref for the perception that things aren't going your way is a perfect example of feeling entitled to good calls and good breaks.
An observation I've made with "stalling." When your guy's behind his opponent is STALLING! but when your guy's ahead he's instructed to "circle," "be aware of where you're at" (edge of the mat), or to "look busy."
You are like a broken record of negativity that does nothing for the program. Send Barta,Tom and Terry emails with this stuff if you are so inspired about it. Bad mouthing in the manner you do it on here is not helping anything, at best it is doing the opposite. I do agree and it is no secret the ball got dropped on recruiting for a while. Steps have been taken to move forward. I agree that they need to have a sound recruiting strategy of what their needs are and who they want to go after to fill them, planning does need to get better. They need to network better and have plan A, B, C etc in place. The Gilman thing, bench behavior etc. can be easily fixed with some common sense. Even though I agree to a certain extent with some of these things it won't help me to complain about it and bad mouth non stop on here. We all complain some on here but at a certain point it is too much.
I had no issue with Marion getting back on the team. He worked hard to get back and a lot of credit goes to Fred Mims on that one.
I think TnT playing by the strict letter of the recruiting laws hurts more than people realize. It is fine to go out and try to get every top 10 guy every year, but if you only have an average of 2 full scholarships per year and multiple relative holes in your lineup, you might not be very successful in landing a lot. Now if you have the equivalent of 5 full scholarships every year with creative camp money and club money, your chances of landing these guys just went up significantly.
I am not justifying voluntarily going after 3 midlevel recruits at 0.33 scholarships each for a weight (e.g. 141) instead of going after the best one with a full scholly. Unfortunately, even if you offer the best 141er out there a full scholly, he may not want to come. Then you either take what you can get (top 20-50 type guy) for 0.33-0.5 or save your money and try next year and have a gaping hole for a year (or more if you miss next year too).
We are at 9.9 scholarships. I am pretty sure other programs have much more $$ to throw after these guys. If the NCAA closes the loopholes and, gasp, punish a program for abusing the rules, it will be much easier to close the gap. Until that happens, it is a big uphill battle - and that isn't even considering the geographical disadvantages we face.
#Reality.
I am not justifying voluntarily going after 3 midlevel recruits at 0.33 scholarships each for a weight (e.g. 141) instead of going after the best one with a full scholly. Unfortunately, even if you offer the best 141er out there a full scholly, he may not want to come. Then you either take what you can get (top 20-50 type guy) for 0.33-0.5 or save your money and try next year and have a gaping hole for a year (or more if you miss next year too).
We are at 9.9 scholarships. I am pretty sure other programs have much more $$ to throw after these guys. If the NCAA closes the loopholes and, gasp, punish a program for abusing the rules, it will be much easier to close the gap. Until that happens, it is a big uphill battle - and that isn't even considering the geographical disadvantages we face.
#Reality.
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I appreciate the lists that Pablow made, and he's right. We do have some good talent in the room, with some even better incoming talent. I also believe in self-fulfilling prophesies. A positive attitude helps.
That said, Tarp is right. Getting behind the team is great, but we must have team that can demonstrate improvement against top talent. Surely you understand that when we start by pitting our top-150 guys against their top-30 guys, then something is off with recruiting. If this isn't sufficient reason for you to be a little more critical, then something is wrong with you.
You need to ask yourself if you're a true fan, or just a fair weather one. That's not a jab, just a suggestion. If you found Brands "quirky, funny, awesome" when we were winning, but now find him/them "out of control" then you probably have your answer.
Most or all of Gables Championship Teams were well stocked with Iowa talent, and sprinkled with primarily other Midwest kids. That seemed to work pretty well. So I don't think the geography is a big disadvantage, but it certainly isn't an advantage from a number of perspectives.
I guess I am a fair weather fan. I always pull for Iowa athletics but I am primarily interested in wrestling. I have a photo someplace of the Iowa bench and fan reaction at the moment or just prior to moment when the pin was called for Brooks Simpson in his match against Iowa State's defending national champion. Maybe some can that picture was on display at the old truck stop on I80 and Coralville exit. The picture really captured the tension, drama and intensity of the moment without showing the the wrestlers involved. Sam Stoll's pin on last Friday night made me recall the Simpson match (and seeing a contestant on the Voice who was named Brooke Simpson!) Anyway, it made me remember how exciting Iowa wrestling used to be. The bottom line is that wrestling is entertainment. One first period takedown in 9 matches is not good entertainment. With Lee, Marinelli, Downey and Warner in the lineup things could drastically change. It is hard to be patient!
You're right. I get fans wanting to hold TnT accountable for the program's results (and Tom repeatedly says publicly the same thing, that it's on him). But, some of this nonsense criticism of them gets a little out of hand. If Iowa was winning titles nobody would care about these trivial things.
Spencer Lee is one of the best recruits, ever. He listed Tom and Terry at the top of his list as to why he chose Iowa. But sure, they can't do anything except "coach in the room". LOL.
I'm not sure what makes you think that anybody who doesn't care for the way TnT behave might have enjoyed it in the past.
Whining about whiners..............I Love It...............
Hehe...must have been down south when it happened Mendoza...at an hour and 28
https://www.flowrestling.org/articl...at-schwab-dresser-metcalf-at-iowa-fight-night
Going to summarize what OP said—-People are criticizing the program and I am a snowflake and can’t handle it any opinion alternative to mine because I am right. So I am going to call them names like little whiny bitches, ignore their legitimate criticisms, claim they just hate everything, claim they hate the coaches, say they shouldn’t be listened to because they are not offering answers, and then create a post on a message board that implores that all this criticism of the program has to end because I am a snowflake and can’t handle anything alternative than I believe.
There are many poster on here who don’t like and or can’t handle criticism. We all have opinions and think ours are correct. Then so many critizie those who are critical of them and don’t take the time to realize they are then doing exactly what they themselves complained about.
The state of the program is not the fans fault. Maybe the OP should start a message board where he allows only the opinions he agrees with. Then he wouldn’t have to his waste his time bullying alternative opinions. He must not have a job where he actually has to discuss merits of issues with people he disagrees with.
Agree 100%. But at some point some of us have to stop the attack and attack back. Whether it’s a strength or fault, it just is.
You can post whatever you want - I have zero authority and my opinion carries no weight. I said what I wanted to say; I was pissed - so carry on. No need to get all dramatic.
I agree - the excessive whining needs to stop. If you're a top recruit reading this forum sometimes it's a buzzkill. We need obviously fell off track and have made course corrections. Time to be positive and move forward.
