PSU just went to the wire v Lehigh.
PA has 3X's the population of Iowa but 3X's the number of DI programs represented at NCAA's each year. There are geographic disadvantages (I'll call them challenges) faced by every program.
The Whining Needs to Stop
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PSU just went to the wire v Lehigh.
PA has 3X's the population of Iowa but 3X's the number of DI programs represented at NCAA's each year. There are geographic disadvantages (I'll call them challenges) faced by every program.
I guess it must have been hard for some of you to listen to Ironside "whine" the whole meet doing play by play.
Anyone who posts on here for 12 months of the year is a true Iowa wrestling fan whether if you agree with them or not.
To the posters who claim negative posts hurt recruiting. There is nothing I can do to hurt recruiting on this board that would be worse than FLO showing our meet vs the Illini with all that standing around and completely zilch action in the first periods. Sure its a rebuild year so feel free to use that excuse for 125/133/184 but its not an argument for the rest of the team. Something is mentally or fundamentally off. Why does someone as quick and athletic as Wilcke can be put himself into overtime? Are we scared to get scored on in the 1st?
Rutgers will run us if that doesn't drastically change. That will hurt recruiting more than what I or say Hawknut, Art radley, Tarp ever type. I don't believe every major recruit reads this boards and takes it to heart. But they subscribe to FLO. They see Iowa standing around ear to ear last match. The dad of said recruits sees Gilmans mouth.
Anyone who posts on here for 12 months of the year is a true Iowa wrestling fan whether if you agree with them or not.
To the posters who claim negative posts hurt recruiting. There is nothing I can do to hurt recruiting on this board that would be worse than FLO showing our meet vs the Illini with all that standing around and completely zilch action in the first periods. Sure its a rebuild year so feel free to use that excuse for 125/133/184 but its not an argument for the rest of the team. Something is mentally or fundamentally off. Why does someone as quick and athletic as Wilcke can be put himself into overtime? Are we scared to get scored on in the 1st?
Rutgers will run us if that doesn't drastically change. That will hurt recruiting more than what I or say Hawknut, Art radley, Tarp ever type. I don't believe every major recruit reads this boards and takes it to heart. But they subscribe to FLO. They see Iowa standing around ear to ear last match. The dad of said recruits sees Gilmans mouth.
Some more entertainment from the mat where they are having a blast reading this board. They also have a 5 page 1 day old thread on Mark Halls date of birth. Keep it coming!!!
Kentucky_MudflapYesterday, 04:50 AM
Hombres just got thru taken a look at that Hawk board and them guys is just full of excuses and reasons why and all kinds of thises and thats but gents they dont make no since to me them what wins wins and them what loses cries around and makes all kinda excuses now gents I aint one to pick a fite or make for no conflict or nothing the Voice of Wrestling may not be a god fearing man but he dont want no strife or conflict but its about time to call a pig and pig hears the lowdown for them what aint schooled up on the worlds oldest and gratest sport.
First off them gents say Iowas to small and aint got no people but friends thats been true sense Christ finished his last house more or less last time I checked Joe and TJ Williams and Brinzer and Banacks bros and Metcalf and Mocco and Ramos and Rico and Penrith and Steiners and Lewis and Kistlers and my old friend Perry and all them grates warnt from Iowa unless they got themselves a Iowa passport or something like that maybe Im missing something hear friends but the grates was more or less from outa state sprinkled in with some homegrown grates gents thats the reel dealio.
Now second some of them naysayers and apology types and limp wrist speculating Kales got some slush fund and is handing money under the table to them recruits and somehow hes got 30 guys on skolly but gents Im betting that aint the case hes a man of God maybe not our God his God gets him a hole entire new planet win he does the dirt nap and ours only gets us up to heaven maybe thats why Kales whipping Tommy on account of his Jesus is better than Tommys Jesus I aint exactly sure how that works maybe some of you hombres knows but Im in the camp that Jesus dont give a **** about wrestling and I about tired of hearing about it.
Now third hombres Kale dont redshirt all his young freshman and he gets 4 years of scoring for 4 years of skollie money whereas Tommy gets 4 years of scoring for 5 years of skollie money now some of you gents what aint as skilled a businessman as Mudflap gonna be scratching your heads but thats more bang for your buck and you go out and get yourself another young freshman Tommy get Warner out there now and Lee if hes ready and wants to throw down and earn your money coaching and win yourself a title.
Now some of you gents aint gonna take to kindly to some of my ciphering and reasoning and all but take your shot and poke a hole in it I got to say I like a good debate thanks for the kudos and laudations you guys are like a reel family to me.
Hombres just got thru taken a look at that Hawk board and them guys is just full of excuses and reasons why and all kinds of thises and thats but gents they dont make no since to me them what wins wins and them what loses cries around and makes all kinda excuses now gents I aint one to pick a fite or make for no conflict or nothing the Voice of Wrestling may not be a god fearing man but he dont want no strife or conflict but its about time to call a pig and pig hears the lowdown for them what aint schooled up on the worlds oldest and gratest sport.
First off them gents say Iowas to small and aint got no people but friends thats been true sense Christ finished his last house more or less last time I checked Joe and TJ Williams and Brinzer and Banacks bros and Metcalf and Mocco and Ramos and Rico and Penrith and Steiners and Lewis and Kistlers and my old friend Perry and all them grates warnt from Iowa unless they got themselves a Iowa passport or something like that maybe Im missing something hear friends but the grates was more or less from outa state sprinkled in with some homegrown grates gents thats the reel dealio.
Now second some of them naysayers and apology types and limp wrist speculating Kales got some slush fund and is handing money under the table to them recruits and somehow hes got 30 guys on skolly but gents Im betting that aint the case hes a man of God maybe not our God his God gets him a hole entire new planet win he does the dirt nap and ours only gets us up to heaven maybe thats why Kales whipping Tommy on account of his Jesus is better than Tommys Jesus I aint exactly sure how that works maybe some of you hombres knows but Im in the camp that Jesus dont give a **** about wrestling and I about tired of hearing about it.
Now third hombres Kale dont redshirt all his young freshman and he gets 4 years of scoring for 4 years of skollie money whereas Tommy gets 4 years of scoring for 5 years of skollie money now some of you gents what aint as skilled a businessman as Mudflap gonna be scratching your heads but thats more bang for your buck and you go out and get yourself another young freshman Tommy get Warner out there now and Lee if hes ready and wants to throw down and earn your money coaching and win yourself a title.
Now some of you gents aint gonna take to kindly to some of my ciphering and reasoning and all but take your shot and poke a hole in it I got to say I like a good debate thanks for the kudos and laudations you guys are like a reel family to me.
I agree with KMF. I stopped whining about Cael and how great Ohio PA NJ compared to Iowa.
Even if we have lesser talent we should be attacking and creating our own luck. I wll admit condition isn't the gap it use to be in Gables day but we stand around. Wear them down, get stall calls if they wont shoot back. Half of the lineup has nothing to do with rebuilding this season. So since we are rebuilding nobody can shoot in the 1st? Nobody can get back points?
Time to start holding Brands accountable and looking in the mirror. We have had 7 years since a title and that was perfect storm of a double recruiting class helped out by Zalesky already having some pieces in play.
Even if we have lesser talent we should be attacking and creating our own luck. I wll admit condition isn't the gap it use to be in Gables day but we stand around. Wear them down, get stall calls if they wont shoot back. Half of the lineup has nothing to do with rebuilding this season. So since we are rebuilding nobody can shoot in the 1st? Nobody can get back points?
Time to start holding Brands accountable and looking in the mirror. We have had 7 years since a title and that was perfect storm of a double recruiting class helped out by Zalesky already having some pieces in play.
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Good for a chuckle.Some more entertainment from the mat where they are having a blast reading this board. They also have a 5 page 1 day old thread on Mark Halls date of birth. Keep it coming!!!
Kentucky_MudflapYesterday, 04:50 AM
Hombres just got thru taken a look at that Hawk board and them guys is just full of excuses and reasons why and all kinds of thises and thats but gents they dont make no since to me them what wins wins and them what loses cries around and makes all kinda excuses now gents I aint one to pick a fite or make for no conflict or nothing the Voice of Wrestling may not be a god fearing man but he dont want no strife or conflict but its about time to call a pig and pig hears the lowdown for them what aint schooled up on the worlds oldest and gratest sport.
First off them gents say Iowas to small and aint got no people but friends thats been true sense Christ finished his last house more or less last time I checked Joe and TJ Williams and Brinzer and Banacks bros and Metcalf and Mocco and Ramos and Rico and Penrith and Steiners and Lewis and Kistlers and my old friend Perry and all them grates warnt from Iowa unless they got themselves a Iowa passport or something like that maybe Im missing something hear friends but the grates was more or less from outa state sprinkled in with some homegrown grates gents thats the reel dealio.
Now second some of them naysayers and apology types and limp wrist speculating Kales got some slush fund and is handing money under the table to them recruits and somehow hes got 30 guys on skolly but gents Im betting that aint the case hes a man of God maybe not our God his God gets him a hole entire new planet win he does the dirt nap and ours only gets us up to heaven maybe thats why Kales whipping Tommy on account of his Jesus is better than Tommys Jesus I aint exactly sure how that works maybe some of you hombres knows but Im in the camp that Jesus dont give a **** about wrestling and I about tired of hearing about it.
Now third hombres Kale dont redshirt all his young freshman and he gets 4 years of scoring for 4 years of skollie money whereas Tommy gets 4 years of scoring for 5 years of skollie money now some of you gents what aint as skilled a businessman as Mudflap gonna be scratching your heads but thats more bang for your buck and you go out and get yourself another young freshman Tommy get Warner out there now and Lee if hes ready and wants to throw down and earn your money coaching and win yourself a title.
Now some of you gents aint gonna take to kindly to some of my ciphering and reasoning and all but take your shot and poke a hole in it I got to say I like a good debate thanks for the kudos and laudations you guys are like a reel family to me.
You could reference the post I quoted. No clue where you're getting that I was talking about "anybody".
Ah - I read his post too quickly; I thought he was saying others consider their behavior to simply be quirky, while he does not. I didn't catch that his opinion has changed.
Personally, I've always been put-off by their behavior. But as success becomes more and more elusive, it is harder to not express my thoughts.
Until you start listening I suppose- misery loves company does not imply that the company loves misery.
I've been a rasslin poster since 2000 (minus the last two years, where I've been banned from posting on all other sites for having such dangerous words), so little do all of you know on here, KMF is a fairly regular poster on this board, obviously going under a different moniker.Some more entertainment from the mat where they are having a blast reading this board. They also have a 5 page 1 day old thread on Mark Halls date of birth. Keep it coming!!!
Kentucky_MudflapYesterday, 04:50 AM
Hombres just got thru taken a look at that Hawk board and them guys is just full of excuses and reasons why and all kinds of thises and thats but gents they dont make no since to me them what wins wins and them what loses cries around and makes all kinda excuses now gents I aint one to pick a fite or make for no conflict or nothing the Voice of Wrestling may not be a god fearing man but he dont want no strife or conflict but its about time to call a pig and pig hears the lowdown for them what aint schooled up on the worlds oldest and gratest sport.
First off them gents say Iowas to small and aint got no people but friends thats been true sense Christ finished his last house more or less last time I checked Joe and TJ Williams and Brinzer and Banacks bros and Metcalf and Mocco and Ramos and Rico and Penrith and Steiners and Lewis and Kistlers and my old friend Perry and all them grates warnt from Iowa unless they got themselves a Iowa passport or something like that maybe Im missing something hear friends but the grates was more or less from outa state sprinkled in with some homegrown grates gents thats the reel dealio.
Now second some of them naysayers and apology types and limp wrist speculating Kales got some slush fund and is handing money under the table to them recruits and somehow hes got 30 guys on skolly but gents Im betting that aint the case hes a man of God maybe not our God his God gets him a hole entire new planet win he does the dirt nap and ours only gets us up to heaven maybe thats why Kales whipping Tommy on account of his Jesus is better than Tommys Jesus I aint exactly sure how that works maybe some of you hombres knows but Im in the camp that Jesus dont give a **** about wrestling and I about tired of hearing about it.
Now third hombres Kale dont redshirt all his young freshman and he gets 4 years of scoring for 4 years of skollie money whereas Tommy gets 4 years of scoring for 5 years of skollie money now some of you gents what aint as skilled a businessman as Mudflap gonna be scratching your heads but thats more bang for your buck and you go out and get yourself another young freshman Tommy get Warner out there now and Lee if hes ready and wants to throw down and earn your money coaching and win yourself a title.
Now some of you gents aint gonna take to kindly to some of my ciphering and reasoning and all but take your shot and poke a hole in it I got to say I like a good debate thanks for the kudos and laudations you guys are like a reel family to me.
I learned his identity years ago from a really big clue that a poster whom I know provided as to his identity. Process of elimination took over from that point, but I always like to point out that he's (1) not a famous rasslin personality at al, even though most have cooked him up to be some of our most famous former rasslers; he's not even close and (2) doesn't fit the persona at all in real life, even though I don't know him super well.
Let’s just agree not to berate anyone about their opinion. Otherwise we have whining about the whining and then whining about the whining of the whining, and it goes on and on. I get the intent of the original poster, although I believe it to be misguided. I don’t think anyone wants to go tell Ironside to stop whining.
I have a question about whether what people say about Penn State not redshirting is true. Obviously mark Hall did not red shirt. They thought about it. But Mark Hall is a phenom. Who else from Penn State did not redshirt?
I have a question about whether what people say about Penn State not redshirting is true. Obviously mark Hall did not red shirt. They thought about it. But Mark Hall is a phenom. Who else from Penn State did not redshirt?
Fwiw, Ironside was so frustrated during the Illinois match, he made the decision on-Air that he won’t be making this weekend’s east coast trip. He said he has better things to do with business, family, etc. I’m not sure if Grace will be flying solo or broadcasting with a sidekick.
His frustration isn't the reason that he isn't going east. Its Xmas season and tis the time to make that money.
Yes, Retherford, Alton and Mcintosh took RS after their true freshman years. Megaludis took RS after JR year.
Yes, in fact all except Suriano redshirted after their freshman seasons and that is still a possibility for Hall. Quentin Wright did the same thing - but he was put on the mat before Cael. It worked out fine for most.
I assume you said "most" because Retherford probably would have won four with a freshman redshirt. The other - no impact.
It did work out fine for most and certainly helped out the team.
Playing devil's advocate, if you had your choice of redshirting your true freshman year or the year after your true freshman year (or later), I would think the vast majority would have better careers redshirting right after HS. One could argue that it is better for the blue chipper to head to Iowa (where you and the coach get together to do what is best for the wrestler - not necessarily the team), get acclimated to college and become a better wrestler before hitting the mat your second year of college. Karl will persuade/convince the wrestler to get out there before he is ready just to help his team win even if it isn't in the individual athlete's best interest. It worked out pretty well for Hall as he won it all his TF year (but no undefeated career for him). You could argue that all of them were hurt by those decisions.
Just devil's advocate of course.
No. Retherford still would have had Stieber to contend with if he RS'd as a freshman as he is likely still a 141 at that time. 3rd year SO he was still on the small side of 149.
McIntosh might have been better served with a RS, but hard to tell as he suffered an injury late in his freshman season and could have AA'd if not.
Yeah, I think that Pablow needs to call Ironside a whiny little bitch to his face. We'll post the resulting video on youtube.
No, but he's one of the folks that people have "romanticized" KMF to be. As I said, he's a pretty ordinary guy, known in VERY FEW rasslin circles.
And, no, it's not MZ either.
Yeah, certainly not one of his finer hours, if he was aspiring to be a vacation bible school counselor or a politician...
