Weird. I see a person who knows his Constitutional rights invoking them legally.
They'll Never Be Satisfied
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Have you watched the video - already 1 major issue - only 1 cop should be giving verbal commands , we already screwed that up (Ie 2 different officers stating hands out the window - get out of the car) . He likes to see this in a controlled contained area - like a gas station so he did it right. I think your issue of eluding is the major issue - and that a felony arrest does not allow for any conversation to de-escalate an issue.
Even if you give the cop the benefit of the doubt for the stop, he should be fired for lying on the police report and trying to leverage the man’s military career to keep him from reporting his mistreatment.
That's my thing, they approached the car guns out because they didn't see his tag (which was there all along). They didn't stop and tell him why he's being pulled over (which is something a cop has always done for me when pulling me over.).
People are mad that he didn't comply . . . well he was scared because 2 guns where pointed at him and if he makes one wrong move such as unbuckling his seat belt, they will put 6 rounds into him and claim they thought he was reaching for a weapon.
Try putting the flipping guns away and talking to him for a minute.
They didn’t pull guns out because they didn’t see his temporary tag. That’s why they initiated the initial stop, they pulled the guns out because he waited 100 seconds to pull over. Cops shouldn’t put the guns away for high risk stops, it’s a great way to get shot in the face.
Well then they shouldn't have been fired and there shouldn't have been a full training for the entire police department back in January so they claim. Obviously they thought they did something wrong.
Also who essentially threatens a guy with the electric chair when you suspect the guy is guilty of driving without a license plate. (Which for the record wasn't even true.)
It's high risk because he pulled into a well lit gas station??? Wasn't like he gunned it down the highway when he saw their lights.
Like I said, he will be hired back in six months, as he should. And in service training happens all the time when cops don’t do things perfectly and the city wants to cover their a**, I’m sure it happens in the healthcare field too.
As I said above, suspects often refuse to pull over and go slow to destroy evidence and get weapons in position. Not pulling over as soon as it’s safe can be considered eluding to the officer.
If you listen to the video, the officer tells dispatch the driver is driving 18 miles an hour, and then says he is pulling into BP - but yes according to Fluffles he is alluding and is high risk. Fluffles has not stated if there was a better place to pull over.
The temporary tag was in plain sight.
It was night time. Going to a well-lit gas station was not inappropriate for the safety of all parties. There have been instances of people posing as cops and pulling people over.
I am a C.P.A. now, but when I was in the healthcare field, if my employees were doing something wrong yes we would do mandatory training to ensure all the staff knew what expectations were and what rules were expected to be followed, along with the standard training at monthly in-service trainings. We would also discipline and potentially terminate. Obviously they didn't follow the city protocols for this to have caused this back in January before the video was released.
I can guarantee he won't be hired back in that city. He may get hired at another city but not there. Even still it may cause for a high increased liability insurance on any law enforcement agency that hires him back.
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Again, watch some police training videos on reasons for high risk stops as well as what constitutes eluding. It comes down to reasonableness. Would an officer with similar training and experience think that the driver was eluding them. It seems like you don’t have any interest in understanding why it occurred, just that you don’t like it.
BLM are not anti-police, they are anti police violence against black people.
While I criticized them here, and call them out for their BS like the incidents of people shot in the back or in obviously neutralized situations, the 2A nuts in this country (and their politicians) have created this mess where routine traffic stops are now so tense and life-threatening to police. I think of that horrible video from Tulsa, for example. While these guys should be disciplined, and the woman in Minnesota, I can't imagine the constant stress of working as a cop in a gun-infested nuthouse like America.
what were the facts in your case, were you doing anything illegal (unlike this case) and anything that should have caused a felony arrest designation.
Yes a well lit gas station is the perfect place to pull over and destroy evidence/get weapons in position. He really got the drop on them!
My understanding is they are to pull off in a safe area as soon as reasonably possible. In this case the BP may have been a reasonable stop location, so far, we have received no other information to deem otherwise.
If you haven't seen the sketch on the sovereign citizen from "W/ Bob & David" on Netflix, with David Cross as the driver and Keegan-Michael Key from Key & Peele as the officer, do yourself a favor and watch it.
Yep, they teach police to always assume the best, officer safety doesn’t matter. It’s not like cops get shot during high risk traffic stops.
Or normal traffic stops.
Nice old men don’t shoot at cops in well lit gas stations, either.
And what do you do if there is no video and this happens? Who is going to be believed, the officer or the wronged party? Will you not agree that law enforcement has a history of protecting their own to the detriment of others?
I can’t agree with you at all on this. I don’t think you’ll find many people that do.
Might this be part of the issue or is training set in stone never to be tweaked?
I did nothing, another car that fit the description of my car was reported to the police for pointing a gun out the window. I was pulled over on a busy street in Cedar Rapids, I pulled into a parking lot. After about 2 minutes of waiting for the cops to come up to the car a couple of more cops come pulling in with their lights on. With their doors opened and guns drawn they got on a megaphone and had me drop the keys out the drivers side window, open the door from the outside and walk backwards towards them. Got on the ground face down, cuffed me and put me in a car. Same thing for the two guys with me. After about 15 minutes they let us go after taking my beer that was in the back seat, which sucked.
True. But let's go back to something else I said, in that situation are you going to win that argument? Especially if there are no cameras, no body cameras, etc? Face it, the driver is in a no-win situation no matter what so better to comply and come out alive or untazed.
I wonder if other countries either - officially through the consulate, or just socially - issue guidance/advice for interacting with police if encountered while traveling here?
Like if you read about renting a car in Mexico you'll often get advice about how to handle yourself if pulled over and what to do if a bribe is demanded.
Kind of a visitors guide to not getting killed/assaulted by police: Pull over immediately, interior lights on, documents ready, hands on the wheel, no sudden movements, follow every order, pray that orders aren't contradictory, remain calm if gun pointed at you, etc.
We do have some great gun freedoms though.
Like if you read about renting a car in Mexico you'll often get advice about how to handle yourself if pulled over and what to do if a bribe is demanded.
Kind of a visitors guide to not getting killed/assaulted by police: Pull over immediately, interior lights on, documents ready, hands on the wheel, no sudden movements, follow every order, pray that orders aren't contradictory, remain calm if gun pointed at you, etc.
We do have some great gun freedoms though.
Fluffles, maybe what is changing is previous conceptions need to be changed. What he did does not deserve to have based on this circumstances, pulling into a safe location. I don't know what the answer is or what the best way to de-escalate a situation, but that whole arrest just seems wrong, yet from your perspective it seems reasonable. You work in the field so I will give you some regard, but at the same token it doesn't look good when the tag is in the back of the car, and he was not driving fast or dangerously.
If he’s hired back in six month’s then there’s something definitely wrong with that PD. The driver was scared to get out and said so. The officer tells him he should be. That comment by the officer escalated the situation immediately. 2 officers yelling different commands. The younger officer should have kept his mouth shut and I’m guessing the departments SOP states that. Any officer that defends these guys should hand in they’re resignation.
Well said. I think police training needs to be changed. My main concern here is that while the officer’s execution was really bad, his reasoning, according to police training, was within protocol. That doesn’t mean every officer would have interpreted the situation the same as him. It starts at reforming police tactics, in my opinion.
So the difference in this case was they thought you were a dangerous felon and not an individual with a missing plate, circumstances matter.
There is NO REASON for the police to be behaving that way under these circumstances... NONE!
They go full-on vigilante, as if the driver has Joe Biden bound-and-gagged in the trunk. A missing license plate??? THAT'S why they're ready to shoot-to-kill here???
A police officer MUST provide a reason for a traffic stop. These hyper-drive cops had their behavior setting on "FREAKED-OUT" almost from the moment they exited THEIR vehicles.
Someone needs to teach these cops to calm-the-fuk-down! They behave like military soldiers in a war zone. Chill-OUT, dudes! "Ride the lightning???"
If you can talk yourself into believing that these cops were justified in behaving this way, then I'm afraid to live in your country!
They go full-on vigilante, as if the driver has Joe Biden bound-and-gagged in the trunk. A missing license plate??? THAT'S why they're ready to shoot-to-kill here???
A police officer MUST provide a reason for a traffic stop. These hyper-drive cops had their behavior setting on "FREAKED-OUT" almost from the moment they exited THEIR vehicles.
Someone needs to teach these cops to calm-the-fuk-down! They behave like military soldiers in a war zone. Chill-OUT, dudes! "Ride the lightning???"
If you can talk yourself into believing that these cops were justified in behaving this way, then I'm afraid to live in your country!
I didn't say they didn't, you asked if anyone white has gone through a similar experience with guns drawn on them. I think these cops are idiots. I also think the driver knew what he was doing and looking for a pay day. I'm not really on either side.
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