Dead on. Amazing that Iowa was as close as we were, getting murdered on the boards.
This loss is on Fran...
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One reason IOWA got killed on the boards is that Freeman was n the bench for 20m, i get ‘saving’ Freeman for the 4th quarter of the game, however, there is very flawed logic in the method Fran used.
fran pulled Freeman at 9min mark, not inserting him until 2:43 mark, at a point in time where it takes a miracle to win,
it makes more sense to insert Freeman at 6min mark or so, when IOWA is rallying, and getting KILLED on the boards. Simply but Brauns/Krikke on Eddey, let Freeman double, and let freeman rebound defensively.
at some point you’ve got to realize you need to let your starters play, and NOT BENCH THEM, during crunch time, Fran constantly and stubbornly sticks to his doctrine, not letting anyone foul out, to the point that he loses minutes from those players, hurting th team. For example, while IOWA was making that rally, how nice would it have been for a freeman dunk or defensive rebound, giving Iowa points and taking a possessions away?
saving Time outs that you never use
and
saving players for 5th fouls that never happen
both
can cost points, scoring margin
and
sometimes wins
I see both sides cuz on the one hand I hate how long he benches guys in foul trouble - tho Tbf, Saturday Owen seemingly got called for breathing on Edey at times; but on the flip side, there’s an argument to be made for sticking with the lineup that is making that charge. At worst I’d have brought him back at the under 4 TO.
Agree with Almost Everything, IMHO, Fran loses many more minutes to benching his,guys than if he allowed them to play with fouls and then foul out, im sure there a metric for that and Fran is probably in the 9th percentile, meaning he’s in the most extreme outlier, you never want to be 1st, or last, in these sorts of metrics.
braun playing more than Freeman in those crucial last 6 minutes is arguably a massive coaching blunder, as Freeman ends the game with a foul to give and IOWA losing crucial minutes for its highest rated defender, scorer, and rebounder
fran is just oblivious to this wasted missed opportunity to maximize his best player.
ive always wished he would be more flexible with his sub rules, like you i do also wonder where he compares to others - it’s not quite as out of the ordinary as some like to say sometimes. I can understand a bit more for freeman in this particular matchup against Edey because 1) officials clearly have no idea how to officiate him, and 2) in the first half they were calling a ton of contact and I’m certain he’d have gotten a 3rd foul in the first half for sure.
2nd half layer rotation decision
Krikke 20m
Sandfort 20m
Perkins 20m
Dix 18:30m
WTH? is that coaching? or just rolling the ball out there and watching And yelling at the Refs?
then Freeman, their BEST player, plays 8m while Bruans plays 7, almost all down the stretch
this ‘coaching‘ strategy totally baffles me…
Krikke 20m
Sandfort 20m
Perkins 20m
Dix 18:30m
WTH? is that coaching? or just rolling the ball out there and watching And yelling at the Refs?
then Freeman, their BEST player, plays 8m while Bruans plays 7, almost all down the stretch
this ‘coaching‘ strategy totally baffles me…
Well I also suggested just a tiny bit of ‘coaching’ here by have anyone else guard Eddey, ie Bruan, Dembele, Krikke, and NOT Freeman, as to,decrease potential for injury fouling EDDEY, as we know, someone else was guarding Eddey when Freeman was out, so it is possible.
but this requires a a departure from the script, of which requires creativity and flexibility, attributes we rarely see Fran demonstrate,
playing 4 guys the entire 2nd half is another head scratcher, why?
Sorry, I disagree that Freeman is our best player at this point in time. Eventually perhaps but not right now.
Freeman leads all Hawkeyes in all advanced Metrics, and it’s not really even close,
Dix is also extremely high in Offense, but doesn’t have volume of minutes and production
Freeman operating an Murray like levels…
Come on. I don’t doubt that he’s doing well in analytics, but I can’t buy the argument that he’s out best player when so far he’s rarely attempted a jumper outside the paint; doesn’t dribble much, and has had trouble with fouling.
I’m excited for what he’ll do in the future, but to say he’s operating on a Murray like level - that’s laying it on a bit thick considering how much more versatile Murray is (either of them).
It's really difficult to win when we have to deal with a seven footer who bulls his way around the lane, rarely gets called for a foul but shoots 15 FT attempts himself. Freeman was barely allowed to break a sweat. Just another game that the visitors were treated like they were the home team.
7’4” that can move has a few advantages especially in basketball….. and especially in the lane. Plus, “stars” get special treatment.
Sorry, but I disagree. Another game having to deal with a 7 footer who bulls his way around and Fran hasn't recruited anyone to combat that.
Edey might be the most extreme example of a guy born in the wrong decade. 20 years ago I'd have said he'd have a long career in the NBA that you could build a franchise around. Now he'll be lucky to be a role player in the NBA, probably has better prospects in Europe.
To be fair, he's tried but neither Ogundele nor Mulvey have panned out. Freeman I think could, but lacks experience and maturity to do so. My main complaint with Krikke is that defensively he doesn't seem to like to bang inside - one reason that moving Freeman into starting lineup has been one of Fran's best moves this year.
There aren't many big men like Edey around thankfully.
Mulvey. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Big Jelly was our most effective defender we had during Edy's years.
Fair enough, but Purdue isn't going thru the league beating everyone by double digits.
No no, slightly out performing Kris Murray’s conference performance
- Shooting 73% from the field,
- grabs almost 1 of 4 missed shots,
- blocks Nearly 1 of every 10 FGA
Freeman totally best player by far on this IOWA team, the problem is he’s not getting enough FGA, and is the only rim protector on the team.
Fran keeping Freeman out and on bench 7 of the last 9 minutes was a huge mistake.
IMHO.
Freeman just isn't ready for the Big. Along with a few others. Krekke, Sandfort, Perkins. After that....
A few others are at best serviceable depending on the matchup.
So far, all but of Purdue's conference wins has been by double digits. In their lost to NW, they crushed them on the boards 52-27; they lost b/c NW made 10 3s to Purdue's 5. Against Nebraska, who had a big man (Mast) who could stand up to Edey somewhat, the board battle was nearly even, 34-30. They beat Purdue b/c of that plus shooting really well.
The only close Ws I see on Purdue's schedule were close wins against #7 Tennessee and #4 Marquette.
So yeah, I think it's safe to argue Purdue's going to roll the majority of their opponents.
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Sorry, wasn't entirely sure which Murray you were referring to. Also, didn't Kris Murray leave as a senior, and Keegan left early as a junior?
Until Freeman can prove he at least has a mid-range jumper and/or consistently shows he has good moves around the rim, I think he's a very promising young player but I can't go with your opinion that he's the best on this team yet.
I'll agree that he left him on the bench too long to an extent - there's an argument to be made as well with riding the hot lineup as well which got them back in the game.
Said many times, in general I agree with his 2 foul approach in first halves but wish he'd be more flexible.
actually all of the advanced stats have Freeman well above all of those players, both offensively and defensively, he’s been freshman of the week in the B1G, what 5x already, accelerating with double doubles in his previous 2 games before Eddy.
Really, what else does the kid have to do?
Totally agree with Frans inflexible approach,
agree that Freeman has to develop a mid range game, no question.
Freman making 72% FGA, thats Elite level, that’s tremendou, hard to improve in that.
please Fran give him the damn ball….!
I know what my eyes see. I think he'll get there and would look better if there were better players around him.
Who knows - in NIL world we live in I expect 1-3 transfers every year so Fran needs to be prepared.
Need another big man, and likely a guard coming in at least. I'm intrigued by Tadjo and Koch sounds like an excellent prospect.
Give me a team that can combat Edey. 1 team. He’s gone 30-20 basically in his last 3 games. He’s the most dominant player in college basketball. Freeman is a big dude and looked like a midget out there against him.
All depends on their guards. For several years running their guards have let them down. If they're ever going to do it, or at least make the Final Four, this is their best chance.
- he shoots better than any else 72%
- rebounds better than anyone else
- blocks shots better than anyone else
A. I would devise strategy to get Eddey on foul trouble, take the ball right at him, a do double-triple moves, get him to bite on shot fakes.
B. Do high pick and rolls and get him to switch and then drive it right by his hips and make him move his feet and foul.
Nebby for him in foul trouble. Limited his minutes, and won the 3 point shooting duel, as no Eddey on court creates tight shooters.
thennagin, Hoiberg runs circles around Fran as a coach, I’d take aFree any time Fran calls it quits.
A. Don't disagree that we needed to take it at Edey more, but you also need officials to call fouls on him - they've demonstrated they don't know how to officiate him.
B. That's easier said than done - he rarely ventures out past the FT line and with his reach, can still often recover in time.
He only had 3 fouls, and played 30 min vs Nebby. What they did have was a big (Mast) who was able to hold his ground against him - there simply aren't a ton of teams period that can do that.
also, is this the same Hoiberg that we whupped a couple weeks ago?
You like Fred’s 9-50 record in the Big Ten his 1st 3 years? Pretty solid. Fran in his 3rd year at Iowa after taking over from the worst coach in the country won 25 games. But good for you if you want Hoiberg.
Freeman is benefitting big time from Iowa's better guard play this year. He moves very well in the post to receive passes for easy field goals, and the guards are finding him. He has some work to do on learning to create his own shot and shooting outside 10 ft. He also needs another 10-15 lbs of muscle. Owen is already good, but he will become a potential all-B1G player, if he can do that.
Once Dembele gets comfortable playing at this level and the zebras start giving him a little respect, I think he will be Iowa's best interior defender. Add in the incoming freshmen (Koch is a really good stretch 4), and I really like Iowa's front court for the next few years.
Looking at the entire picture I believe Hoiberg has a winning record vs Fran , even though coaching at inferior schools, and while at nebraska with much more inferior players
